Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[Halb]

ukaskew said:

Quite a bit of interest in something that people clearly strongly dislike here. I thought most of PH was washing its hands of Star Wars after TLJ?

People are fascinated by Trump, by brexit, people love clusterfks. People love to talk, uk!

[Coolbanana]

ukaskew said:

Quite a bit of interest in something that people clearly strongly dislike here. I thought most of PH was washing its hands of Star Wars after TLJ?

The Haters who take it way to seriously and think these films were made for them alone and their fanboy/girl 'ideals' can't help themselves.

Personally, I've always seen Star Wars as having a silly, weak story, daft mostly and is more just a special effects vehicle and light-hearted escapism entertainment. As such, I enjoy it for what it is and look forward to this next instalment.

[warch]

Coolbanana said:

ukaskew said:

Quite a bit of interest in something that people clearly strongly dislike here. I thought most of PH was washing its hands of Star Wars after TLJ?

The Haters who take it way to seriously and think these films were made for them alone and their fanboy/girl 'ideals' can't help themselves.

Personally, I've always seen Star Wars as having a silly, weak story, daft mostly and is more just a special effects vehicle and light-hearted escapism entertainment. As such, I enjoy it for what it is and look forward to this next instalment.

These +1. I love how people who hated the last film still feel the need to come along and complain about something they vowed they're not going to watch anyway and are no longer interested in (as I knew they would).

The Last Jedi was superb, I've seen the film several times and my opinion hasn't changed on that. I liked Rogue One more, but because I liked the focus on non Jedi characters.

[wjb]

Looks good for a teaser, I'll be watching it, probably on opening night.

By the way everyone slagged off TLJ I'll be on my own in the cinema

[LaurasOtherHalf]

New Star Wars: st
Wide arch MINI GP: st
Brexit: st
Rolex waiting lists: st
Unobtainable Porsche’s: st
Any 4x4/SUV: st
Italian build quality: st
Modern F1: st
Marquez: st
GT86: st
MX5: st
Morgans: st
Z4/Supra: st

I’m convinced PH is simply populated by a bunch of sad, middle aged men who think everything is st because they’ve failed to achieve anything decent in life.

At least the bmw 8 series brave pill went down well I suppose.

[Jasandjules]

Looks like the same old cr*p as before. I will of course get the Blu Ray regardless....

[g3org3y]

I really liked Rey's Matrix style jump over the (?)Tie Interceptor...<pause>...nawt.

Lando looks like he has Cushing's Syndrome.

warch said:

Coolbanana said:

ukaskew said:

Quite a bit of interest in something that people clearly strongly dislike here. I thought most of PH was washing its hands of Star Wars after TLJ?

The Haters who take it way to seriously and think these films were made for them alone and their fanboy/girl 'ideals' can't help themselves.

Personally, I've always seen Star Wars as having a silly, weak story, daft mostly and is more just a special effects vehicle and light-hearted escapism entertainment. As such, I enjoy it for what it is and look forward to this next instalment.

These +1. I love how people who hated the last film still feel the need to come along and complain about something they vowed they're not going to watch anyway and are no longer interested in (as I knew they would).

The Last Jedi was superb, I've seen the film several times and my opinion hasn't changed on that. I liked Rogue One more, but because I liked the focus on non Jedi characters.

When you buy the rights to a film franchise that goes back 40+ years that does (imo) come with certain responsibilities.

There will be a massive group of fans that basically made Star Wars the multi-billion dollar industry it is. To treat the source material or characters with a level of perceived 'disrespect' (for want of a better term) is going to upset people. These people are probably the ones that will be going to the cinema multiple times, spending the £££ on the big Lego toys and other merch. It probably doesn't make good business sense (imvho).

In the world of Minecraft, YouTube and Fortnight, I don't think Star Wars has the clout to compete in the age ranges that Disney would like.

I think people don't like being served a st sandwich and when they complain they don't like the taste are berated that it's because they are racist/misogynist/basement dwelling man babies etc. Ultimately they'll shrug, stop watching, stop buying the DVD, stop buying the Lego and watch the Despecialised Editions at home. Star Wars is nothing without its fans and I don't think the youth of today will be the massive Star Wars fans of tomorrow (imvho).

As for TLJ being superb...not sure if serious joker meme.

[warch]

g3org3y said:

When you buy the rights to a film franchise that goes back 40+ years that does (imo) come with certain responsibilities.

There will be a massive group of fans that basically made Star Wars the multi-billion dollar industry it is. To treat the source material or characters with a level of perceived 'disrespect' (for want of a better term) is going to upset people. These people are probably the ones that will be going to the cinema multiple times, spending the £££ on the big Lego toys and other merch. It probably doesn't make good business sense (imvho).

In the world of Minecraft, YouTube and Fortnight, I don't think Star Wars has the clout to compete in the age ranges that Disney would like.

I think people don't like being served a st sandwich and when they complain they don't like the taste are berated that it's because they are racist/misogynist/basement dwelling man babies etc. Ultimately they'll shrug, stop watching, stop buying the DVD, stop buying the Lego and watch the Despecialised Editions at home. Star Wars is nothing without its fans and I don't think the youth of today will be the massive Star Wars fans of tomorrow (imvho).

As for TLJ being superb...not sure if serious joker meme.

I am absolutely serious about The Last Jedi. Which other Star Wars film has a higher standard of acting, or more visually stunning set pieces?

Anyway as you clearly don't like the new films you won't be watching them, or spending hours slating them on the web will you? This the thing I simply don't understand. They are just films, no film is truly important.

[g3org3y]

warch said:

I am absolutely serious about The Last Jedi. Which other Star Wars film has a higher standard of acting, or more visually stunning set pieces?

Anyway as you clearly don't like the new films you won't be watching them, or spending hours slating them on the web will you? This the thing I simply don't understand. They are just films, no film is truly important.

A film is not just about 'visually stunning set pieces'. The most important thing is story and characters. If you don't have that, you might as well be looking at a photo on the wall. That is the crux of the original films. For all the special effects (ground breaking for its time) it is a very classic story of heroes and villains perfectly played by excellent actors. That's why it works.

There's no doubt TLJ looks great (the hyperspace into the Dreadnaught scene beautiful) but the story and the characters seem to come second. It's just pitched poorly. The 'your momma jokes', Rose Tico's 'must important thing is love' etc. It doesn't work. Rian Johnson openly stated he wanted to subvert things. It wasn't a film to try and tell a story. IMO it was a film to make a point and push certain political agendas. Films are for escapism and fantasy, not for political posturing or lecturing the audience.

As for 'standard of acting', the original Trilogy have perfectly cast, perfectly played actors. I fail to see how you can state the standard of acting in TLJ was in any way better than I, II and III. I'm interested to know which actors fell short in the original trilogy and which in TLJ eclipsed them.

It was the actors and thus the characters that made Star Wars what it is.

Here's a story about a young kid who meets a runaway pair of robots. He discovers the robots belong to a princess who has been captured by a bad guy in a mask who dresses all in black. He speaks to an old man who may be some kind of wizard. The old man tells the young kid that the bad mask guy probably killed his dad. They decide to go on a mission to rescue the princess. Along the way they meet a smuggler with a walking bear as a best mate. After some travails they manage to get aboard the bad guy's base where the princess is held captive which is a massive spacestation that can blow whole planets up. After some difficulty they rescue her but the old man is killed by the masked bad guy. The young kid joins a bunch of rebels fighting against the bad guys and helps on a mission to try and blow up the spacestation. The young kid uses some magic skills he learnt from the old wizard guy and against all odds he blows it up and everyone is a hero

Sounds like a load of bks right? st story for kids right? However, it's the acting that was (imo) pitched just so perfectly alongside the cutting edge/experimental visual effects which made it so believable and captured the imagination of the audience. IMO Star Wars is successful because it is, at its heart a classic good vs bad fairy tale acted brilliantly and that's why it appeals to all ages.

Right film. Right time. Right audience. It all worked out and the rest is history.

One may argue we are looking back at these films with rose tinted specs but I genuinely don't think that's the case here.

Anyway, I'm rambling, so I'll stop. I am a sad middle aged man who has failed to achieve nothing in life, therefore all my efforts will indeed be concentrated on moaning about this film which I of course will not be watching.

[FredAstaire]

I like star wars, I really do.

But objectively, the originals are crap. The 2nd trilogy are probably three of the worst films ever to be shown in a cinema. And the new ones, well they're just the three originals in fancy knickers.

[FredAstaire]

I tried to watch the first one with my 8 year old. He gave up on it, cos the first 20 minutes or so are really fking boring.

[Halb]

g3org3y said:

As for 'standard of acting', the original Trilogy have perfectly cast, perfectly played actors. I fail to see how you can state the standard of acting in TLJ was in any way better than I, II and III. I'm interested to know which actors fell short in the original trilogy and which in TLJ eclipsed them.

It was the actors and thus the characters that made Star Wars what it is.
Sounds like a load of bks right? st story for kids right? However, it's the acting that was (imo) pitched just so perfectly alongside the cutting edge/experimental visual effects which made it so believable and captured the imagination of the audience. IMO Star Wars is successful because it is, at its heart a classic good vs bad fairy tale acted brilliantly and that's why it appeals to all ages.

Right film. Right time. Right audience. It all worked out and the rest is history.

Yeah, but you'll always get sad cases trying to rubbish the old ones to bump the new ones (because they need it). So illogical, the old ones were near perfect story telling, that's why the whole thing still exists decades later.

[warch]

I don't mind if people don't like the new films, or think the old ones were better (I adore the original trilogy too, they were the films that defined my childhood). I just don't know why people who don't like the new films are still hanging around complaining about them.

[Halb]

warch said:

I don't mind if people don't like the new films, or think the old ones were better (I adore the original trilogy too, they were the films that defined my childhood). I just don't know why people who don't like the new films are still hanging around complaining about them.

Only speaking for myself, I like to comment on film, study it, all aspects, from creativity, to box office and beyond.
I'd like the films to succeed, but only if the story (and all the rest of it) is deserving. I was a big fan of Game of Thrones, but objectively one can see the decline in standards of it. THere are elements of TLJ that I loved, I actually thought for a few moments that we'd get something totally new and crazy...the union of Rey and the bloke? When for a tiny moment, we were thinking...are they gonna be a duo badass going their own way...but it didn't happen and looking at the dialogue it was more of a mean tease sticking two fingers at what JJ had done in the previous film, which to me, felt mean and disrespectful to what the previous director had at least attempted. Not a fan of bait and switch.

[warch]

Halb said:

Only speaking for myself, I like to comment on film, study it, all aspects, from creativity, to box office and beyond.
I'd like the films to succeed, but only if the story (and all the rest of it) is deserving. I was a big fan of Game of Thrones, but objectively one can see the decline in standards of it. THere are elements of TLJ that I loved, I actually thought for a few moments that we'd get something totally new and crazy...the union of Rey and the bloke? When for a tiny moment, we were thinking...are they gonna be a duo badass going their own way...but it didn't happen and looking at the dialogue it was more of a mean tease sticking two fingers at what JJ had done in the previous film, which to me, felt mean and disrespectful to what the previous director had at least attempted. Not a fan of bait and switch.

I completely respect that, and respect your opinion, even if we disagree on the outcome. I'm hoping there is more to Kylo Ren (Adam Driver was really superb in the last two films), I think he is a much more nuanced and rounded villain than anyone we've previously seen in Star Wars, and it would be a bit of a waste just to use him as a goon for the 1st Order.

TLJ does have flaws, but for me the upsides more than compensate for that. I'm a massive Mark Hamill fan, so I was delighted with the treatment of Luke Skywalker, just having him join the Alliance would have been a copout for me, he needs a story of redemption.

[wjb]

It's all about opinions, and very much depends a lot on what you grew up with.

For example, My wife never watched the originals, (too young ) and she's not a star wars fan at all. So when we watched them all a few years back she was left underwhelmed.

She thinks 1-6 were pretty rubbish with ep3 being the best of a bad bunch. ep7 was a hit, but she didn't think much of TLJ but still not as bad as 1-6.

Rogue 1 is in her opinion the best star wars film. She's not seen Solo but would probably rate it above 1-6.

My son prefers the newer films to the originals. But his interest in Star wars is waning as there are more interesting things out there for 10 year olds.

There's no right or wrong, the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same stuff.

[Baby Shark doo doo doo doo]

wjb said:

It's all about opinions, and very much depends a lot on what you grew up with.

For example, My wife never watched the originals, (too young ) and she's not a star wars fan at all. So when we watched them all a few years back she was left underwhelmed.

She thinks 1-6 were pretty rubbish with ep3 being the best of a bad bunch. ep7 was a hit, but she didn't think much of TLJ but still not as bad as 1-6.

Rogue 1 is in her opinion the best star wars film. She's not seen Solo but would probably rate it above 1-6.

My son prefers the newer films to the originals. But his interest in Star wars is waning as there are more interesting things out there for 10 year olds.

There's no right or wrong, the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same stuff.

My wife enjoyed the Han Solo film the most. She hadn’t seen the original trilogy either.

[warch]

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:

My wife enjoyed the Han Solo film the most. She hadn’t seen the original trilogy either.

I must watch that again. I was very tired when I sat down to watch it and wasn't very receptive to it. I did like most of it, although it did seem to drag on a bit in the middle. I wasn't convinced that the bloke playing Solo was charismatic enough to follow Harrison Ford, but quite frankly who is?

[Rick_1138]

Its idiocy like this that makes me sad to be a Star wars fan nowadays.

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2019/04/13/star-war...

It was a bit of fun from the official star wars feed, basically rebel or empire, and folk see people liking the first order and saying all these people are nazi's...Jesus wept, these are the current crop Disney want to try and get to like the Franchise with the new films, as far as im concerned they should maybe just forget about them and not pander to the idiocy.

I like the Empire because they had cooler ships, not because i prefer their particular variation of Galactic fascism....good god.

[ukaskew]

FredAstaire said:

I like star wars, I really do.

But objectively, the originals are crap. The 2nd trilogy are probably three of the worst films ever to be shown in a cinema. And the new ones, well they're just the three originals in fancy knickers.

This is what has always fascinated me, even Return of the Jedi isn't held very highly by many fans, so effectively they're hanging onto two movies made 40 years ago and have largely disliked almost everything since.

The Disney ruining things angle makes no sense when you consider that many/most had fell firmly out of love with the saga whilst still firmly under the control of the guy who created the entire universe.

It would be hard to argue against at the very least Rogue One and Force Awakens being better than anything from the prequels. And I still maintain that in terms of filmmaking The Last Jedi is head and shoulders above the majority of the series.