Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Discussion
ukaskew said:
This is what has always fascinated me, even Return of the Jedi isn't held very highly by many fans, so effectively they're hanging onto two movies made 40 years ago and have largely disliked almost everything since.
The Disney ruining things angle makes no sense when you consider that many/most had fell firmly out of love with the saga whilst still firmly under the control of the guy who created the entire universe.
It would be hard to argue against at the very least Rogue One and Force Awakens being better than anything from the prequels. And I still maintain that in terms of film making The Last Jedi is head and shoulders above the majority of the series.
I have been a fan of star wars since i was about 6, ive enjoyed all the releases, such as the special editions, the prequals were enjoyable, a bit disappointing, but nothing in the world would have equalled THAT hype in 1999, however Attack of the clones is demonstrably a poor film, far too much navel gazing and not enough plot moving forward.The Disney ruining things angle makes no sense when you consider that many/most had fell firmly out of love with the saga whilst still firmly under the control of the guy who created the entire universe.
It would be hard to argue against at the very least Rogue One and Force Awakens being better than anything from the prequels. And I still maintain that in terms of film making The Last Jedi is head and shoulders above the majority of the series.
Since it has been under Disney's/Kathleen Kennedy's stewardship, I found the force awakens, safe but entertaining and laid the ground for some interesting story ideas. Rogue one i thought was excellent if a bit slow in the middle and the final space battle was pure classic star wars but with todays CGI quality.
However the last Jedi for me was where a lot of people have soured on SW and it can be put down to one thing, no plot layout.
We know now from a few reveals by JJ et al, that from Force awakens outset, there was never any plotting out and storyboarding of what story the three films would tell. Rian Johnson was writing the script for TLJ after seeing about 15 mins of the start and a bit of the end of TFA and went from there.
This has resulted in one of the most jarring and disjointed sequels i've ever seen from a major movie franchise. The last jedi had some moments in it that looked great, the set design and look of everything was as you would expect from a movie budget this size and experienced behind the scenes designers etc. However the writing and plot just destroy the film, there is so much that doesnt make sense, takes you out of the film, and commits the worst sin in a film series, making you go "hang on, that doesnt make sense" while you are watching it unfold.
It also made any tension and character build up leading into the next film for 3 major characters null and void, Snoke was pointless apparently, after 4 hours of build up, Luke (who was the whole plot for TFA to go find him so he can come back, after he left a map to find him if needed, then doesnt want to come back, has been turned into a sociopath wanting to kill his nephew (a man who saw the good in Vader!) and then kills him from using the...force...too ....much.....??! and Poe Dameron who is supposed to be the well respected flight commander who is basically ignored to the point of mutiny going forward there isnt much characters left to care about.
If you enjoy TLJ, thats fine, im not going to say you shouldn't but to say its head and shoulders above the majority of the series is a bit much in my view, but again, people like different things.
I am keeping my excitement in check for ep IX, as they have a lot to sort, and the teases that it could be something to do with a palpatine force ghost being involved are interesting, and i would be hugely impressed if they made Rey go dark side under palpatines influence etc.
Will see what the next trailer shows, i am still going midnight release in December, i just hope they can tail off the jumbled mess the story is in into something that tells a good tale.
ukaskew said:
This is what has always fascinated me, even Return of the Jedi isn't held very highly by many fans, so effectively they're hanging onto two movies made 40 years ago and have largely disliked almost everything since.
The Disney ruining things angle makes no sense when you consider that many/most had fell firmly out of love with the saga whilst still firmly under the control of the guy who created the entire universe.
It would be hard to argue against at the very least Rogue One and Force Awakens being better than anything from the prequels. And I still maintain that in terms of filmmaking The Last Jedi is head and shoulders above the majority of the series.
Meh - in all honesty I'd rate TPM above TLJ, indeed SFX aside I'd put it stone-cold last in the rankings. I did like Rogue One, TFA and SoloThe Disney ruining things angle makes no sense when you consider that many/most had fell firmly out of love with the saga whilst still firmly under the control of the guy who created the entire universe.
It would be hard to argue against at the very least Rogue One and Force Awakens being better than anything from the prequels. And I still maintain that in terms of filmmaking The Last Jedi is head and shoulders above the majority of the series.
Rick_1138 said:
However the last Jedi for me was where a lot of people have soured on SW and it can be put down to one thing, no plot layout.
I think it's more than that, as soon as it started the feel was off, and as it went on, one could see the style was different. THis was SW as told by Rian Johnson, which means, it's not SW. THe horrible jokes, the modern references, the bad over acting of most of the cast, the main baddie in particular, he was rather good in the first one, but then he turns into this gurning idiot, from a carry on movie. Then there was, as youn say, the plot, and the wholesale changes to the story that Rian wanted to make. It was more spaceballs than star wars and I can recall thinking if he had tried to make a really bad film on purpose, it was so blatant. 
Elements of genus like the Ken/Rey thing, but which were ultimately tricks, and even went completely against the grain of the central message, 'let the past die', which meant he couldn't even stay on tack for his own badly conceived plot.
I don't think he be allowed that trilogy that was mooted a few years back.
Sadly I think Star Wars (A New Hope) is the best, with Rogue One a close second. Mainly because the "original" Star Wars was just such a radical concept and I can't help but watch the space battles and think about how long ago that was filmed. Rogue One is head and shoulders above Episodes 1-3 and the less said about Liea floating her way back to the destroyed bridge the better.....RoTJ was also not bad....
Rumblestripe said:
At least no-one has posted a link to some random bloke on You Tube telling us that this proves it will be s
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...yet!
Two minutes four seconds.
Some spend longer watching those videos than they do the actual subject of the videos. I guess I'm just getting old as I really don't understand it.t......yet!
Two minutes four seconds.
Breaking down the movie after, ok, that makes sense, but based on 2 minute teasers that these days can be clever enough to be altered from the final footage we will see in the movie...? I think the Infinity War trailer generated about 100 hours of content breaking down the infinity stones shown on Thanos' gauntlet...which as it happens was digitally altered in the trailers to remove stones.
ukaskew said:
Some spend longer watching those videos than they do the actual subject of the videos. I guess I'm just getting old as I really don't understand it.
Breaking down the movie after, ok, that makes sense, but based on 2 minute teasers that these days can be clever enough to be altered from the final footage we will see in the movie...? I think the Infinity War trailer generated about 100 hours of content breaking down the infinity stones shown on Thanos' gauntlet...which as it happens was digitally altered in the trailers to remove stones.
And the trailer for Rogue One contained stuff that wasn't in the movie at all!Breaking down the movie after, ok, that makes sense, but based on 2 minute teasers that these days can be clever enough to be altered from the final footage we will see in the movie...? I think the Infinity War trailer generated about 100 hours of content breaking down the infinity stones shown on Thanos' gauntlet...which as it happens was digitally altered in the trailers to remove stones.
Rumblestripe said:
And the trailer for Rogue One contained stuff that wasn't in the movie at all!
It contained scenes from Gareth Edwards initial filming that Disney requested to be reshot - https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/rogue-one/4604...RLM have a pretty funny vid on the emperor thing.
valiant said:
Yes, it will be a bit crap.
Yes, I’ll be buying a ticket on opening day.
Yes, I’ll moan like I have after all the others.
Yes, I’ll rinse and repeat for all other SW releases forever more.
Damn.
Yes, I’ll be buying a ticket on opening day.
Yes, I’ll moan like I have after all the others.
Yes, I’ll rinse and repeat for all other SW releases forever more.
Damn.
Jasandjules said:
Sadly I think Star Wars (A New Hope) is the best, with Rogue One a close second. Mainly because the "original" Star Wars was just such a radical concept and I can't help but watch the space battles and think about how long ago that was filmed. Rogue One is head and shoulders above Episodes 1-3 and the less said about Liea floating her way back to the destroyed bridge the better.....RoTJ was also not bad....
EMpire?wisbech said:
funkyrobot said:
Won't be bothering with this. The franchise was well and truly fked over by SJW's with the last storyline film.
They are just rolling a turd in glitter now.
To be fair, the prequels managed to fked over by SJW's with the last storyline film.They are just rolling a turd in glitter now.
k it over with no SJW help. At least 7-8 are better than 1-3warch said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
My wife enjoyed the Han Solo film the most. She hadn’t seen the original trilogy either.
I must watch that again. I was very tired when I sat down to watch it and wasn't very receptive to it. I did like most of it, although it did seem to drag on a bit in the middle. I wasn't convinced that the bloke playing Solo was charismatic enough to follow Harrison Ford, but quite frankly who is?Kind of looking forward to the spin off series:
The Mandalorian
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8111088/
The Mandalorian
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8111088/
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