Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[BaronVonVaderham]

Halb said:

AT least LUcasfilm/Disney recognise they have yuge problems, as there won't be a SW film till 2023 (and Rian Johnson has gone).

Iger’s got it wrong though - they didn’t oversaturated the market, they just made some really bad films (TFA, TLJ), so many many fans chose not to see Solo and RotS at the cinema as they feared they would be st too.

Had TFA and TLJ been good, then the others would’ve been more successful.

[Halb]

BaronVonVaderham said:

Iger’s got it wrong though - they didn’t oversaturated the market, they just made some really bad films (TFA, TLJ), so many many fans chose not to see Solo and RotS at the cinema as they feared they would be st too.

Had TFA and TLJ been good, then the others would’ve been more successful.

Yes I agree. A comment was made above that Marvel has a bigger fanbase, but that's now, back when TFA came out, SW arguably had the bigger base, but as a way the product was handled, it went down, and conversely for the same reason (quality of the films) MCU went up.

[p1stonhead]

BaronVonVaderham said:

Halb said:

AT least LUcasfilm/Disney recognise they have yuge problems, as there won't be a SW film till 2023 (and Rian Johnson has gone).

Iger’s got it wrong though - they didn’t oversaturated the market, they just made some really bad films (TFA, TLJ), so many many fans chose not to see Solo and RotS at the cinema as they feared they would be st too.

Had TFA and TLJ been good, then the others would’ve been more successful.

The force awakens was great.

Rogue one is my favourite out of every Star Wars film made.

Not all are terrible. TLJ is though. Solo was ok not great.

[AshVX220]

p1stonhead said:

BaronVonVaderham said:

Halb said:

AT least LUcasfilm/Disney recognise they have yuge problems, as there won't be a SW film till 2023 (and Rian Johnson has gone).

Iger’s got it wrong though - they didn’t oversaturated the market, they just made some really bad films (TFA, TLJ), so many many fans chose not to see Solo and RotS at the cinema as they feared they would be st too.

Had TFA and TLJ been good, then the others would’ve been more successful.

The force awakens was great.

Rogue one is my favourite out of every Star Wars film made.

Not all are terrible. TLJ is though. Solo was ok not great.

Yeah, I enjoyed TFA, it was a reasonably good film and a safe way to re-lauch the franchise. Yes it was a carbon copy of ANH, they probably should have started a little slower, rather than going straight into having the existence of the first order and Starkiller base should have been left as the final threat of the entire trilogy for me (or a different, but just as terrible threat, such as a ship with planet killing abilities, which is what they did in RoS).
They should have focussed on the rise of the first order for the trilogy, that may have given the entire franchise more legs.

Rogue One is definitely the best thing Disney have done though, the only thing letting it down for me was the appearance of Doc Evezan and walrus-face on Jeddha (who miraculously escaped in time to end up on Tattoine).

TLJ was just awful and threw the baby out with the bath water trying to throw the fans off the plot and confuse things because RJ could, he didn't really follow a single flow from TFA (apparently he'd never even had the decency to read the script of TFA). RoS just had to try and make sense of the mess that TLJ left behind. As a result it was a mess and was rushed.

Solo is OK taken alone as a heist movie, had some good fan service etc and actually left itself open for what could have been some good sequels. A huge shame that the brand has been so damaged that they'll not follow through with it. I really enjoyed the scenes where they showed how opressive the Empire was (at the space port and the battle scenes).

Disney need to take a step back and decide what they want from the Brand. Do they just want to pump out more soul-less shiny movies that are thin on plot, back story and interest, but big on effects and huge standard set pieces? Or do they want to create something that will properly engage the audience, want them to speculate about things (keeping the franchise alive) and spend money on merch. Their current target fan base won't be buying merch at 30+years old in it's current form, and won't generate the amount of spin-off books that the OT did.

They haven't quite killed the franchise yet, but they're on course to completely destroy it, with the exception of some TV shows to keep it plodding along (The Mandalorian is excellent). My hope is that when KK goes, they'll get someone in that knows it and has a passion for it, without using it as mouthpiece for personal views. All it needs are good stories and characters we can relate to.

[BaronVonVaderham]

p1stonhead said:

BaronVonVaderham said:

Halb said:

AT least LUcasfilm/Disney recognise they have yuge problems, as there won't be a SW film till 2023 (and Rian Johnson has gone).

Iger’s got it wrong though - they didn’t oversaturated the market, they just made some really bad films (TFA, TLJ), so many many fans chose not to see Solo and RotS at the cinema as they feared they would be st too.

Had TFA and TLJ been good, then the others would’ve been more successful.

The force awakens was great.

Rogue one is my favourite out of every Star Wars film made.

Not all are terrible. TLJ is though. Solo was ok not great.

TFA was just a rehash but passable as a Star Wars film imho. It was TLJ that killed the franchise for me and prevented me from heading to the cinema for solo, or buying any further merch.

I did begrudgingly got to see RotS (far from the worst), and Rogue One is by far my all time favourite. So not all the evil mouse has touched has turned turdy, but I do wish they would at least realise where they went wrong - this issue wasn’t too many movies, it was too many bad movies.

[zygalski]

Just got around to watching this for the first time on Sky.
Wow. This was a mess, wasn't it? Marginally better than TLJ & ROTS but worse than TFA and of course the very decent Rogue One.
A million star destroyers lifted out of the ground, the whole Palpatine thing, the shambolic story arc between the 3 new films. I could go on but what's the point?
6 corny character resurrections out of 10.

[p1stonhead]

zygalski said:

Just got around to watching this for the first time on Sky.
Wow. This was a mess, wasn't it? Marginally better than TLJ & ROTS but worse than TFA and of course the very decent Rogue One.
A million star destroyers lifted out of the ground, the whole Palpatine thing, the shambolic story arc between the 3 new films. I could go on but what's the point?
6 corny character resurrections out of 10.

Yeah it’s horrendous.

But...

I guess they were fairly screwed after the complete sideways step of the last Jedi and it was always going to be hard to turn it back around into something that made sense.

I wonder what the full trilogy could have been if Abrams was in charge of the whole lot.

[Steve vRS]

Yes the film is a compete mess. It's available on Disney+ now and even my son is in no rush to watch it, prefering the final series of Clone Wars. I've just watched the last two episodes and they were good and quite sad.

[zygalski]

p1stonhead said:

I wonder what the full trilogy could have been if Abrams was in charge of the whole lot.

I was thinking the same.
It would have been far better and sat slap bang in between the OT and episodes 1-3 in terms of quality. As it is, I think the new trilogy is about as 'good' overall as eps 1-3.
What a waste.

[JagLover]

zygalski said:

p1stonhead said:

I wonder what the full trilogy could have been if Abrams was in charge of the whole lot.

I was thinking the same.
It would have been far better and sat slap bang in between the OT and episodes 1-3 in terms of quality. As it is, I think the new trilogy is about as 'good' overall as eps 1-3.
What a waste.

Yes clearly a massive missed opportunity.

AFA was clearly derivative of the original trilogy, but had some great new characters, looked like Star Wars, and had great action (unlike the lifeless prequels).

As pointed out above you cant blame Abrams for how much of a mess the final film was, because everything he setup in AFA was knocked down in TLJ.

Probably the worst decision in modern movie history and the contrast with Marvel is glaring.

[p1stonhead]

zygalski said:

p1stonhead said:

I wonder what the full trilogy could have been if Abrams was in charge of the whole lot.

I was thinking the same.
It would have been far better and sat slap bang in between the OT and episodes 1-3 in terms of quality. As it is, I think the new trilogy is about as 'good' overall as eps 1-3.
What a waste.

Honestly, and this is controversial - I think I prefer the prequels to the sequels.

At least there was an overarching story that didn’t seem made up (in the most part) as things went along.

Part of this probably comes down to nostalgia however as I was in primary school when the phantom menace came out and remember it more fondly than it deserves

In terms of the rise of skywalker, this captures a lot of stuff I firmly agree with;

https://youtu.be/jy02rZz7NYI

[tangerine_sedge]

p1stonhead said:

I guess they were fairly screwed after the complete sideways step of the last Jedi and it was always going to be hard to turn it back around into something that made sense.

I quite liked the last Jedi, but I agree it was a step sideways which made the final film awkward. I internally resolve this by assuming the whole story is from an unreliable narrator who hasn't quite remembered it properly - after all it is set "in a galaxy, far, far away".

[Fundoreen]

Not really that vested in the saga but liked the original 3 films when they first appeared.
The only thing done since that is not just as good but in a lot of ways is better is Rogue one.
Everything else is tedious and uninteresting.
All the Rogue one characters were better than any new ones introduced in the new films.
They should have had the new trilogy based on them.
The original cast from 1970s go on a mission to rescue them from some prison planet they were all sent to as it turns out they didn't all die.
They then take over for the rest of the trilogy as the original cast are slowly retired intact.
Killing them all off was just some sort of hollywood style drowning a childs pet to get them to
like the new thing.

[Jonesy23]

Thought this from a week or so ago was an interesting evisceration of the film:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/rise-skywalker...

Compare and contrast with the stuff that the shill-in-chief film 'critic' came out with over the last two films:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/star-wars-last...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/star-wars-dieh...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2019/12/19/star-...


As for Rogue One, yes it was much better, yes it was a shame they killed them all off, but then again at its core it's based on classic war film concepts (a bit of a shift from the Kurosawa of the others) and the glorious sacrifice to achieve victory is part of that.

Still no excuse for not making more films of similar quality though.

[Fundoreen]

They are lucky in one way. They got the half baked nonsense out before covid19. Imagine if they delayed it to fix the unfixable.
Makes life easy anyway. You only have to watch 4 star wars films ever.
Anything new will have to be a reboot ditching everything done after the 1980s.

[eltawater]

Fundoreen said:

The original cast from 1970s go on a mission to rescue them from some prison planet they were all sent to as it turns out they didn't all die.
They then take over for the rest of the trilogy as the original cast are slowly retired intact.

Not sure how that would work as the Rogue One crew would be as old as or even older than The original cast if you go chronologically and assuming no funny business with carbonite....

[Guvernator]

Only just watched this recently too as I just couldn't raise the enthusiasm to watch it at the cinema after the woeful second film. It's a big mess, not as big a mess as TLJ admittedly but it's still all over the place. Huge u-turn once again on stuff that was poo'd all over in TLJ, I suppose they had to try to do it to bring it back on track but it just comes off as desperate backtracking after they realised how badly they messed it up. The Emperor is alive apparently, talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel and he can now bring down huge spaceships dozens at a time with his lightening, it's just absurd and that's only one of many problems.

I really really don't understand how Disney allowed one of the biggest franchises in movie history to be steered in such a disjointed and awful direction. Seriously how, just how does it happen considering the talent that must have been involved. It's not just that the films were poor, that you could almost forgive but the total apparent lack of cohesion is the most surprising. Where was the oversight? Where were the people making sure the trilogy fit together properly and actually made some sense. It's the kind of amateurish mistake you just don't expect from someone as big as Disney.

[zygalski]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pAsss_nTlk
Very good!

[Lucas Ayde]

Just noticed it was on my NowTV movie sub - surprised to see it so soon.

Very mediocre - looked nice (you could see that they had spent money on it) but confusing plot - it jumped all over the place - and characters that I just couldn't care less about. And it really threw away the legacy of the original characters.

What a really disappointing conclusion to the saga.

We know that modern Star Wars stuff (TV and Film) can be good - Rogue One, The Mandalorian and The Clone Wars are all decent. But the Sequel Trilogy have all been awful ... I hated 'The Force Awakens' when I saw it, despite the fact that it was generally well received at the time, it it really pointed to the way the sequels were going to go and they just got worse.

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

Did wonder whether its release on Disney would reignite discussions on this thread.

May the 4th I popped it on. Willing to give it a second chance. My 10 year old wouldn't watch it... It's rubbish he said.

I lasted 10 minutes and went back to re-watching most haunted on amazon. Derek Acorah's acting is significantly more credible and the plot is more believable.