Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Discussion
Saw this last night on Sky and can only echo the general theme of the last page or so - disjointed mess, I was watching it not really knowing what was going on as it was just Star Wars stuff happening on screen most of the time, bouncing around planets for no obvious reason. Even the music felt awkward and put in for nostalgia rather than fitting in with the film.
Some people have mentioned it felt like watching someone playing a computer game rather than a film which made me think of The Old Republic cinematics -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfjWANrhl5g
And it does seem a very good comparison!
Did make me think of one good thing from RoS - the lightsaber fights were much more in line with the original trilogy rather than the acrobatic ones from Episodes I to III.
Some people have mentioned it felt like watching someone playing a computer game rather than a film which made me think of The Old Republic cinematics -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfjWANrhl5g
And it does seem a very good comparison!
Did make me think of one good thing from RoS - the lightsaber fights were much more in line with the original trilogy rather than the acrobatic ones from Episodes I to III.
I just watched this, this and Solo are the only SW films I didn't see on launch - less because I was falling out with the franchise and more because of a new born baby/heavily pregnant wife ruining my cinema plans...!
That said, I somehow managed to get up to last night without reading a single thing about RoS, I didn't see a single trailer, review or opinion on it so I went into it not knowing whether it was viewed as a huge flop or the greatest thing since Rogue One.
I did do a bit of a catch up of TFA and TLJ in the few days building up to watching RoS and I have to agree with the majority that TLJ was just a mess and really gave RoS a hard time to recover the story line, but all things considered I think it did a reasonable job.
I (finally!) read through this thread last night and was surprised to see how negative opinion was on it, but just to address some of the common points raised with my view point/mitigating circumstances. Do I still need spoiler tags 6 months after release?!
- Palpatine Revival, yes a bit lazy but I honestly don't see what other choice they had after TLJ killed Snoke. Having Rey/Solo be some sort of converted master villain wouldn't have worked as they had no real hero to step up against them, at least not to do them justice in combat etc.
Had it not be Palatine, it would be some other previously unknown villain with no time to build up their character at all
- Force Healing I didn't think was too jarring, for anybody that has consumed just a small bit of "non-movie" SW content it's not a totally new concept although I agree it would have been nice to have built up to it over the latest trilogy, at least explaining the weight and implications to a full on revival.
- Sith Fleet, yes again lazy and a bit silly - I'm not sure why it even had to exist as the First Order had a pretty handy fleet already, if anything they just lacked the real super villain. I don't see a reason why Palatine couldn't just slip into that role with his Sith mates rather than have a bajillion ships just come out of the floor.
- Rey killing Palpatine after the fuss about striking him down, I think people miss the point here - the whole thing about striking somebody down in anger has been in the SW world since day one. Killing somebody in a 'defensive' manner is what being a Jedi is all about, not cutting an unarmed person in half because you're a bit cross with them. Rey killing the Emp with his own lightening is a very different thing to just cutting his head off a few minutes earlier.
Structurally the film had a lot to get done, so agree it felt a bit quick - but in exchange for that I don't feel the film ever really felt dull at any stage. It kept me entertained to the end, and after the Endor duel I actually found myself checking the remaining run time as I worried about it ending too quickly... I think that's usually a sign of an entertaining film even if flawed.
I echo the thoughts that a full JJ trilogy could have been so, so much better - but generally I don't feel Disney have hurt the brand too much. Rogue One, TFA and RoS carry it just about enough to let TLJ slide, and Solo was a bit of a neutral affair for me, didn't really ignite much emotion either way.
That said, I somehow managed to get up to last night without reading a single thing about RoS, I didn't see a single trailer, review or opinion on it so I went into it not knowing whether it was viewed as a huge flop or the greatest thing since Rogue One.
I did do a bit of a catch up of TFA and TLJ in the few days building up to watching RoS and I have to agree with the majority that TLJ was just a mess and really gave RoS a hard time to recover the story line, but all things considered I think it did a reasonable job.
I (finally!) read through this thread last night and was surprised to see how negative opinion was on it, but just to address some of the common points raised with my view point/mitigating circumstances. Do I still need spoiler tags 6 months after release?!
- Palpatine Revival, yes a bit lazy but I honestly don't see what other choice they had after TLJ killed Snoke. Having Rey/Solo be some sort of converted master villain wouldn't have worked as they had no real hero to step up against them, at least not to do them justice in combat etc.
Had it not be Palatine, it would be some other previously unknown villain with no time to build up their character at all
- Force Healing I didn't think was too jarring, for anybody that has consumed just a small bit of "non-movie" SW content it's not a totally new concept although I agree it would have been nice to have built up to it over the latest trilogy, at least explaining the weight and implications to a full on revival.
- Sith Fleet, yes again lazy and a bit silly - I'm not sure why it even had to exist as the First Order had a pretty handy fleet already, if anything they just lacked the real super villain. I don't see a reason why Palatine couldn't just slip into that role with his Sith mates rather than have a bajillion ships just come out of the floor.
- Rey killing Palpatine after the fuss about striking him down, I think people miss the point here - the whole thing about striking somebody down in anger has been in the SW world since day one. Killing somebody in a 'defensive' manner is what being a Jedi is all about, not cutting an unarmed person in half because you're a bit cross with them. Rey killing the Emp with his own lightening is a very different thing to just cutting his head off a few minutes earlier.
Structurally the film had a lot to get done, so agree it felt a bit quick - but in exchange for that I don't feel the film ever really felt dull at any stage. It kept me entertained to the end, and after the Endor duel I actually found myself checking the remaining run time as I worried about it ending too quickly... I think that's usually a sign of an entertaining film even if flawed.
I echo the thoughts that a full JJ trilogy could have been so, so much better - but generally I don't feel Disney have hurt the brand too much. Rogue One, TFA and RoS carry it just about enough to let TLJ slide, and Solo was a bit of a neutral affair for me, didn't really ignite much emotion either way.
eltawater said:
Fundoreen said:
The original cast from 1970s go on a mission to rescue them from some prison planet they were all sent to as it turns out they didn't all die.
They then take over for the rest of the trilogy as the original cast are slowly retired intact.
Not sure how that would work as the Rogue One crew would be as old as or even older than The original cast if you go chronologically and assuming no funny business with carbonite....They then take over for the rest of the trilogy as the original cast are slowly retired intact.
Even adds to the spectacle as they final find the deep underground cave they are stored in after a long quest etc etc.
Very exciting thinking about this story compared to the hollywood coke addled mess put out by those degenerates lol.
For all the youtubers who absolutely seem to hate it there is at least one who kind of likes it
https://youtu.be/cLEYTkwu2tY
Personally I'd say better than Attack of the Clones, about par with Revenge of the Sith and only beaten by Rogue 1 and the original trilogy. I'm probably in a minority on here though.
https://youtu.be/cLEYTkwu2tY
Personally I'd say better than Attack of the Clones, about par with Revenge of the Sith and only beaten by Rogue 1 and the original trilogy. I'm probably in a minority on here though.
hepy said:
Stop moaning, it was flippin’ great.
Just watched it on Disney Plus, and thought it was up there with Rogue One.
Enjoy for what it is.
After resisting, I watched it last night. Just watched it on Disney Plus, and thought it was up there with Rogue One.
Enjoy for what it is.
Dreadful - the worst film of the entire saga in my opinion.
As a quick aside, why is it called ‘the rise of sky walker’ The remaining Skywalkers’ all die in the film, so unless the rise part is to do with their ascension to ghost jedi land it doesn’t make sense - Rey is a Palpatine?
Genuine Barn Find said:
After resisting, I watched it last night.
Dreadful - the worst film of the entire saga in my opinion.
As a quick aside, why is it called ‘the rise of sky walker’ The remaining Skywalkers’ all die in the film, so unless the rise part is to do with their ascension to ghost jedi land it doesn’t make sense - Rey is a Palpatine?
She answers as a Skywalker in the final scene.Dreadful - the worst film of the entire saga in my opinion.
As a quick aside, why is it called ‘the rise of sky walker’ The remaining Skywalkers’ all die in the film, so unless the rise part is to do with their ascension to ghost jedi land it doesn’t make sense - Rey is a Palpatine?
robemcdonald said:
There seems to be talk about removing the sequel trilogy from “canon” and starting again.
Sure sign that it was only a few nerds that hated it.
I was reading about that earlier here - https://cosmicbook.news/disney-resetting-star-wars...Sure sign that it was only a few nerds that hated it.
Interesting idea.
Genuine Barn Find said:
hepy said:
Stop moaning, it was flippin’ great.
Just watched it on Disney Plus, and thought it was up there with Rogue One.
Enjoy for what it is.
After resisting, I watched it last night. Just watched it on Disney Plus, and thought it was up there with Rogue One.
Enjoy for what it is.
Dreadful - the worst film of the entire saga in my opinion.
As a quick aside, why is it called ‘the rise of sky walker’ The remaining Skywalkers’ all die in the film, so unless the rise part is to do with their ascension to ghost jedi land it doesn’t make sense - Rey is a Palpatine?
gregs656 said:
robemcdonald said:
There seems to be talk about removing the sequel trilogy from “canon” and starting again.
Sure sign that it was only a few nerds that hated it.
I was reading about that earlier here - https://cosmicbook.news/disney-resetting-star-wars...Sure sign that it was only a few nerds that hated it.
Interesting idea.
king hell it would be a thing to see. I agree though that to many, at the moment, Star Wars is dead in terms of cinema.
Mandalorian was good though.
gregs656 said:
robemcdonald said:
There seems to be talk about removing the sequel trilogy from “canon” and starting again.
Sure sign that it was only a few nerds that hated it.
I was reading about that earlier here - https://cosmicbook.news/disney-resetting-star-wars...Sure sign that it was only a few nerds that hated it.
Interesting idea.
gregs656 said:
robemcdonald said:
There seems to be talk about removing the sequel trilogy from “canon” and starting again.
Sure sign that it was only a few nerds that hated it.
I was reading about that earlier here - https://cosmicbook.news/disney-resetting-star-wars...Sure sign that it was only a few nerds that hated it.
Interesting idea.
p1stonhead said:
gregs656 said:
robemcdonald said:
There seems to be talk about removing the sequel trilogy from “canon” and starting again.
Sure sign that it was only a few nerds that hated it.
I was reading about that earlier here - https://cosmicbook.news/disney-resetting-star-wars...Sure sign that it was only a few nerds that hated it.
Interesting idea.
king hell it would be a thing to see. I agree though that to many, at the moment, Star Wars is dead in terms of cinema.
Mandalorian was good though.
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