Guy Martin -The Great Escape!

[Cantaloupe]

mikal83 said:

You wear underpants under your pyjamas dont you!

Eh ? no, does anyone ?

Yeuch.

[So]

CanAm said:

So said:

It beat me in the end and I had to go to bed before the dénouement.

Guy was in the nuddie too!?

I am very happy that I went to bed.

To be honest he strikes me as the sort of chap that would go gratuitously naked at any opportunity.

[Tyre Smoke]

So said:

I am very happy that I went to bed.

To be honest he strikes me as the sort of chap that would go gratuitously naked at any opportunity.

It's good ent it? Good, eh?
Cuppa tea?
They don't mess about, eh? Proper hardcore, eh?
Cuppa tea?

[anonymous-user]

Robmarriott said:

It’s ok, they said ‘no homo’ beforehand.

Stay in a Nazi POW camp or take a risk which involves a little bit of nudity for your freedom, I can see why the choice would be tough.

Or join the Royal Marines and get naked a lot of the time anyway just to be on the safe side.

Anyway, didn’t they say a lot of POWs really weren’t interested in escaping the the “duty” to escape Is frequently misquoted?
Sit out the war growing vegetables and indulging in a bit of am-dram or risk your life AGAIN by crawling naked through a tunnel 30 feet under loose soil, to go on the run and risk being shot as a spy in order to get back home and be shoehorned back in to the tail turret of a Lancaster.....

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 11th December 15:30

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 11th December 15:31

[anonymous-user]

Tyre Smoke said:

It's good ent it? Good, eh?
Cuppa tea?
They don't mess about, eh? Proper hardcore, eh?
Cuppa tea?

You’ve missed his latest.....
“I can smell the ‘ospital. Smell it I can. Reeks of ‘ospital dun’t it?”

[Fundoreen]

Its our Guy so it saved the day. Otherwise a bit desperate.
Cant think of anything more dumb that recreating the steve mcqueen jump he didn't even do somewhere near the spot it was filmed.
What struck me was what a jolly jape it all was being a pow. Camping it up all day ,sports and half naked posing about.
Was a tough existence...
All a bit of a slap in the face to those in camps being murdered really. I dont think it would play that well to that crowd.

[anonymous-user]

Fundoreen said:

All a bit of a slap in the face to those in camps being murdered really. I dont think it would play that well to that crowd.

If you’re referring to concentration camps then it’s a bit irrelevant as the activities therein were on a totally different level to PoW camps.
The latter at least had some protection for the prisoners in the form of the Geneva Conventions and Red Cross.

[So]

Crossflow Kid said:

Fundoreen said:

All a bit of a slap in the face to those in camps being murdered really. I dont think it would play that well to that crowd.

If you’re referring to concentration camps then it’s a bit irrelevant as the activities therein were on a totally different level to PoW camps.
The latter at least had some protection for the prisoners in the form of the Geneva Conventions and Red Cross.

I read a while back that being a POW wasn't that bad a deal during WW2 and people didn't WANT to escape, despite it being their duty to try. A lot of them were studying degrees I believe.

[CanAm]

So said:

Crossflow Kid said:

Fundoreen said:

All a bit of a slap in the face to those in camps being murdered really. I dont think it would play that well to that crowd.

If you’re referring to concentration camps then it’s a bit irrelevant as the activities therein were on a totally different level to PoW camps.
The latter at least had some protection for the prisoners in the form of the Geneva Conventions and Red Cross.

I read a while back that being a POW wasn't that bad a deal during WW2 and people didn't WANT to escape, despite it being their duty to try. A lot of them were studying degrees I believe.

My uncle who was a PoW in the far East is unlikely to have shared those views.

Edited by CanAm on Friday 13th December 09:52

[V8covin]

So said:

I read a while back that being a POW wasn't that bad a deal during WW2 and people didn't WANT to escape, despite it being their duty to try. A lot of them were studying degrees I believe.

By all accounts it wasn't their duty to try and escape.It's a myth.It was their duty to try and evade capture

[So]

V8covin said:

So said:

I read a while back that being a POW wasn't that bad a deal during WW2 and people didn't WANT to escape, despite it being their duty to try. A lot of them were studying degrees I believe.

By all accounts it wasn't their duty to try and escape.It's a myth.It was their duty to try and evade capture

Ah yes, that rings a bell now.

I suppose when you think about it, if you're a 20 year old lad being fairly well treated in a POW camp, studying an OU degree, fairly confident of not being shot, you might be disinclined to try to escape. An attempt might result in being immediately shot, and a successful escape could mean returning to active duty and being shot.

[croyde]

I believe the officer camps were far more comfortable than the camps for enlisted men.

Also it depended on how much of a Nazi the camp commander was.

Plus no one knew the war would end in 1945. Maybe the idea of being stuck in a camp for ten years or decades was enough to make you want to escape.

[So]

CanAm said:

y uncle who was a PoW in the far East is unlikely to have shared your views.

Not my view but anyway I believe the Far East camps were a special case.

[and31]

Fundoreen said:

Its our Guy so it saved the day. Otherwise a bit desperate.
Cant think of anything more dumb that recreating the steve mcqueen jump he didn't even do somewhere near the spot it was filmed.
What struck me was what a jolly jape it all was being a pow. Camping it up all day ,sports and half naked posing about.
Was a tough existence...
All a bit of a slap in the face to those in camps being murdered really. I dont think it would play that well to that crowd.

Yeah it must have been great living on little more than starvation rations when the Red Cross parcels stopped getting through .
I don’t suppose the inmates thought it was much of a “jolly jape” during the death march in the winter of 1945 when the inmates were made to march towards Germany to stop them being liberated by the Russians-many pow’s perished -some from the cold ,some from beatings or even being shot by the guards if they couldn’t keep up.

[aeropilot]

Crossflow Kid said:

Anyway, didn’t they say a lot of POWs really weren’t interested in escaping the the “duty” to escape Is frequently misquoted?
Sit out the war growing vegetables and indulging in a bit of am-dram or risk your life AGAIN by crawling naked through a tunnel 30 feet under loose soil, to go on the run and risk being shot as a spy in order to get back home and be shoehorned back in to the tail turret of a Lancaster.....

Those aircrew that did make a home run from a POW camp, were not returned to ops over enemy territory. Desk jobs or instructors etc was the standard practice.
Same with any returned from internment in neutral countries, although I am aware of at least one USAAF B-24 pilot that crashed landed in Sweden, was repatriated, and the yanks returned him to ops from UK again, and he had to crash land in Sweden again......Sweden did release him the 2nd time though!

[ZymoTech]

aeropilot said:

Those aircrew that did make a home run from a POW camp, were not returned to ops over enemy territory. Desk jobs or instructors etc was the standard practice.

Forgive my ignorance but why not a return to ops ? I'm probably answering my own question here but was it that the top brass were aware that home runners had been, to say the least, through some psychological trauma and it would be insensitive to thrust them back into the thick of the action again ?

[aeropilot]

ZymoTech said:

aeropilot said:

Those aircrew that did make a home run from a POW camp, were not returned to ops over enemy territory. Desk jobs or instructors etc was the standard practice.

Forgive my ignorance but why not a return to ops ? I'm probably answering my own question here but was it that the top brass were aware that home runners had been, to say the least, through some psychological trauma and it would be insensitive to thrust them back into the thick of the action again ?

Usually they got out with assistance from the various resistance organisations in the occupied countries, and therefore it would be a compromise to those people and those organisations should a flyer return to ops and get shot down again and captured, as the Germans would take name, rank and number etc. and could give those people away via interogation etc.

[ZymoTech]

Thanks aeropilot for the explanation.

[Halmyre]

and31 said:

Fundoreen said:

Its our Guy so it saved the day. Otherwise a bit desperate.
Cant think of anything more dumb that recreating the steve mcqueen jump he didn't even do somewhere near the spot it was filmed.
What struck me was what a jolly jape it all was being a pow. Camping it up all day ,sports and half naked posing about.
Was a tough existence...
All a bit of a slap in the face to those in camps being murdered really. I dont think it would play that well to that crowd.

Yeah it must have been great living on little more than starvation rations when the Red Cross parcels stopped getting through .
I don’t suppose the inmates thought it was much of a “jolly jape” during the death march in the winter of 1945 when the inmates were made to march towards Germany to stop them being liberated by the Russians-many pow’s perished -some from the cold ,some from beatings or even being shot by the guards if they couldn’t keep up.

Nothing I've ever read suggests that the camps were anything but hardship, particularly towards the end of the war. Suggestions of POWs sitting out a cushy number are a bit insulting.

[Pericoloso]

Halmyre said:

Nothing I've ever read suggests that the camps were anything but hardship, particularly towards the end of the war. Suggestions of POWs sitting out a cushy number are a bit insulting.

It was mentioned in this programme that not all POWs were 100% up for escaping.

Their attitude was "been shot down once, survived the crash and destruction of my plane ,prefer not to go through that again"