The Falcon and The Winter Soldier
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Liked this episode a lot, thought the banter between them both was great.
Would love to see outtakes of the therapy session.
Seems like the are pushing the Sam experiencing racial prejudice quite a bit with these episodes, hopefully it's not every episode as it's coming across as a bit forced and obvious.
I'm not sure about Kurt Russell's kid, he looks kinda goofy wearing the suit, agree with the above that he may do a face turn
Would love to see outtakes of the therapy session.
Seems like the are pushing the Sam experiencing racial prejudice quite a bit with these episodes, hopefully it's not every episode as it's coming across as a bit forced and obvious.
I'm not sure about Kurt Russell's kid, he looks kinda goofy wearing the suit, agree with the above that he may do a face turn
This looks to be another genre switch, this type perhaps going for a Lethal Weapon type beat. I can help but feel Wyatt Russell is physically miscast for this role. They are touching stories from the source material I read 30 plus years ago and all the better for it.
I remember watching the Six Million dollar man as a kid and feeling intrigued and scared by it at the same time. Today’s youngsters are far more hardened than I was back then but I hope Marvel dare to show some insight into how dangerous someone would be with no morals and the super soldier serum.
For adults who casually like this stuff watch the first episode of ‘Invincible’ which dropped on Amazon tonight. Watch to the end and don’t read about it first. It’s animated but rated 18.
I remember watching the Six Million dollar man as a kid and feeling intrigued and scared by it at the same time. Today’s youngsters are far more hardened than I was back then but I hope Marvel dare to show some insight into how dangerous someone would be with no morals and the super soldier serum.
For adults who casually like this stuff watch the first episode of ‘Invincible’ which dropped on Amazon tonight. Watch to the end and don’t read about it first. It’s animated but rated 18.
Radec said:
Seems like the are pushing the Sam experiencing racial prejudice quite a bit with these episodes, hopefully it's not every episode as it's coming across as a bit forced and obvious.
Not sure I agree - it’s not something I’d particularly expect to see in a Marvel production, so it’s not obvious to me... It does align with various news reports - the bit where the cop asks Bucky if Sam is bothering him felt particularly real to me given what I read on the subject when the whole BLM thing was starting in the news.I have no doubt that a section of the audience finds these scenes (sadly) extremely relatable...
highway said:
For adults who casually like this stuff watch the first episode of ‘Invincible’ which dropped on Amazon tonight. Watch to the end and don’t read about it first. It’s animated but rated 18.
I watched Invincible. I think it’s very good. Well acted, well animated, straightforward telling of a story in a world of superheros. All the characters are familiar archetypes of heroes and villains, much like the Seven in The Boys are analogous to the Justice League. But it’s not an ironic deconstruction of the genre which is what you’d except of an 18 rated animated show.
Then it turns brutal as they show how much damage a super strong being can do to the human body.
DanL said:
Radec said:
Seems like the are pushing the Sam experiencing racial prejudice quite a bit with these episodes, hopefully it's not every episode as it's coming across as a bit forced and obvious.
Not sure I agree - it’s not something I’d particularly expect to see in a Marvel production, so it’s not obvious to me... It does align with various news reports - the bit where the cop asks Bucky if Sam is bothering him felt particularly real to me given what I read on the subject when the whole BLM thing was starting in the news.I have no doubt that a section of the audience finds these scenes (sadly) extremely relatable...
It’s not just police assuming Sam is a threat when they see him arguing with Bucky. It was Sam’s sister who assumed the bank was racial profiling people wanting a lone, with no real evidence of that. And the kid who says his dad calls him ‘Black Falcon’. “Does that make you ‘black kid’”.
Marvel are clearly wanting their characters to have real world problems on Disney+. WandaVision focused on grief (through the medium of magic and sitcoms), and this show is dealing with Bucky’s trauma and guilt. It would be easier to not deal with the racial minefield, and very easy to get it wrong (like the ‘woke’ moment in End Game). But I don’t see any missteps so far.
Although it's good that Disney are highlighting real world issues and racial prejudices that black people will have come across I just don't think that cop scene would happen to Sam, considering how famous these guys would be.
He'd already done a major press conference last week which will have been in all the media the world over.
It's probably like if you switched Sam for Obama in that situation, that's the level of famous the Avengers would be if not even more.
What's next week, Sam won't be able to hail a taxi.
I could just about believe the broke/loan scene from last week as he joined team Cap so went rogue and as such wouldn't be paid by anyone.
The better way they did this was the exchange with the kid and the Black Falcon line, which directly setup into the introduction of the next character and who he is in the comics, the name he has and why he had to remain hidden due to the attitudes of the time and the similarity to the horrible Tuskegee experiments.
This whole bit was very well done in my opinion.
He'd already done a major press conference last week which will have been in all the media the world over.
It's probably like if you switched Sam for Obama in that situation, that's the level of famous the Avengers would be if not even more.
What's next week, Sam won't be able to hail a taxi.
I could just about believe the broke/loan scene from last week as he joined team Cap so went rogue and as such wouldn't be paid by anyone.
The better way they did this was the exchange with the kid and the Black Falcon line, which directly setup into the introduction of the next character and who he is in the comics, the name he has and why he had to remain hidden due to the attitudes of the time and the similarity to the horrible Tuskegee experiments.
This whole bit was very well done in my opinion.
Radec said:
Although it's good that Disney are highlighting real world issues and racial prejudices that black people will have come across I just don't think that cop scene would happen to Sam, considering how famous these guys would be.
He'd already done a major press conference last week which will have been in all the media the world over.
It's probably like if you switched Sam for Obama in that situation, that's the level of famous the Avengers would be if not even more.
What's next week, Sam won't be able to hail a taxi.
I could just about believe the broke/loan scene from last week as he joined team Cap so went rogue and as such wouldn't be paid by anyone.
The better way they did this was the exchange with the kid and the Black Falcon line, which directly setup into the introduction of the next character and who he is in the comics, the name he has and why he had to remain hidden due to the attitudes of the time and the similarity to the horrible Tuskegee experiments.
This whole bit was very well done in my opinion.
They had set up that he is not instantly recognised by people in the previous episode. He was also gone for 5 years.He'd already done a major press conference last week which will have been in all the media the world over.
It's probably like if you switched Sam for Obama in that situation, that's the level of famous the Avengers would be if not even more.
What's next week, Sam won't be able to hail a taxi.
I could just about believe the broke/loan scene from last week as he joined team Cap so went rogue and as such wouldn't be paid by anyone.
The better way they did this was the exchange with the kid and the Black Falcon line, which directly setup into the introduction of the next character and who he is in the comics, the name he has and why he had to remain hidden due to the attitudes of the time and the similarity to the horrible Tuskegee experiments.
This whole bit was very well done in my opinion.
Edited by frisbee on Saturday 27th March 17:52
I’m not sure Sam Wilson was ever as high profile as Tony Stark or Steve Rogers. When we first see him he’s an ex special ops guy running a charity. He helps in the fight against Hydra, but he wasn’t an Avenger until after Age Of Ultron. He wasn’t there when aliens attacked New York which is when they became superstars.
Then he’s on the loosing side in Civil War.
He fought Thanos’ army in Infinity War and End Game, but he didn’t do anything that would grab the public imagination. Not with everything else that was going on.
So, yeah, I can believe he might not get recognised without the wing suit.
Then he’s on the loosing side in Civil War.
He fought Thanos’ army in Infinity War and End Game, but he didn’t do anything that would grab the public imagination. Not with everything else that was going on.
So, yeah, I can believe he might not get recognised without the wing suit.
SpudLink said:
I’m not sure Sam Wilson was ever as high profile as Tony Stark or Steve Rogers. When we first see him he’s an ex special ops guy running a charity. He helps in the fight against Hydra, but he wasn’t an Avenger until after Age Of Ultron. He wasn’t there when aliens attacked New York which is when they became superstars.
Then he’s on the loosing side in Civil War.
He fought Thanos’ army in Infinity War and End Game, but he didn’t do anything that would grab the public imagination. Not with everything else that was going on.
So, yeah, I can believe he might not get recognised without the wing suit.
Fair enough.Then he’s on the loosing side in Civil War.
He fought Thanos’ army in Infinity War and End Game, but he didn’t do anything that would grab the public imagination. Not with everything else that was going on.
So, yeah, I can believe he might not get recognised without the wing suit.
I was going on the assumption that they would have had some sort of world heroes day or celebrations after Earth was saved to commemorate everyone that helped in IW/Endgame.
Probably easier to recognise a talking racoon then some guy in plain clothes without his suit at first sight, sort of like when Ant-Man doesn't get recognised but Hulk does by those kids in Endgame.
I thought that it got a little boring in the middle at some point, but generally it's okay. A little 'ho hum'.
The racial element (both anticipated in the 'back falcon' and expressed by the police assumption) was done well and it was a nice opportunity for me to talk my ten year old through the subtleties of the behaviour.
'Capt America' is defo fishy. I never trust anyone that advertises how humble they are; additionally, he said that he considered Steve Rogers to be like a brother (correct me if I'm wrong), despite having never met him.
The racial element (both anticipated in the 'back falcon' and expressed by the police assumption) was done well and it was a nice opportunity for me to talk my ten year old through the subtleties of the behaviour.
'Capt America' is defo fishy. I never trust anyone that advertises how humble they are; additionally, he said that he considered Steve Rogers to be like a brother (correct me if I'm wrong), despite having never met him.
I'm enjoying this so far.
Interesting to see them introduce Isiah and his son. I wonder if they're going to bring the son back as in the comics he's the Patriot in the young avengers.
Nice to see they're showing Bucky as a super solider not just some guy with a metal arm.
Surely John Walker will go bad by not getting the acceptance of the two buddies of the OG Cap
i'm interested in how this side story of the Flag smashers will go from here and how Zemo fits in
Interesting to see them introduce Isiah and his son. I wonder if they're going to bring the son back as in the comics he's the Patriot in the young avengers.
Nice to see they're showing Bucky as a super solider not just some guy with a metal arm.
Surely John Walker will go bad by not getting the acceptance of the two buddies of the OG Cap
i'm interested in how this side story of the Flag smashers will go from here and how Zemo fits in
The Boys has kinda ruined John Walker as a character for me now I just can't see past Homelander!
Minor issue, but Russell looks fine without the head gear on, but for whatever reason he looks terrible with it on, it looks worryingly close to a cheap Avengers knock-off at the moment. Maybe that's exactly the plan though...I've no idea if they are planning to broadly follow the comics or not.
Minor issue, but Russell looks fine without the head gear on, but for whatever reason he looks terrible with it on, it looks worryingly close to a cheap Avengers knock-off at the moment. Maybe that's exactly the plan though...I've no idea if they are planning to broadly follow the comics or not.
ch37 said:
Minor issue, but Russell looks fine without the head gear on, but for whatever reason he looks terrible with it on, it looks worryingly close to a cheap Avengers knock-off at the moment. Maybe that's exactly the plan though...I've no idea if they are planning to broadly follow the comics or not.
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