BBC - Time - Jimmy McGovern
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Watched the first one live and the 2nd one on iPlayer, though it picked up after a slow start. E2 certainly moves along nicely.
I expected more of a thread and contributions in typical PH style with regards to how they would act given the scenario of Sean Bean's character and the bullying.
It actually made me feel quite funny as I imagine most people could find themselves in the same situation with a bit of poor judgement and a some bad luck.
I expected more of a thread and contributions in typical PH style with regards to how they would act given the scenario of Sean Bean's character and the bullying.
It actually made me feel quite funny as I imagine most people could find themselves in the same situation with a bit of poor judgement and a some bad luck.
Tony Angelino said:
Watched the first one live and the 2nd one on iPlayer, though it picked up after a slow start. E2 certainly moves along nicely.
I expected more of a thread and contributions in typical PH style with regards to how they would act given the scenario of Sean Bean's character and the bullying.
It actually made me feel quite funny as I imagine most people could find themselves in the same situation with a bit of poor judgement and a some bad luck.
I said to Mrs P that you very purposefully remove one shoe, then one sock, put the shoe back on, fill the sock with a couple of borrowed balls from the pool table and batter the bloke with them until the screws come and drag you away (or his mate shivs you). I'd probably react just like the character did though. Scares the sh8t out of me, the thought of going inside.I expected more of a thread and contributions in typical PH style with regards to how they would act given the scenario of Sean Bean's character and the bullying.
It actually made me feel quite funny as I imagine most people could find themselves in the same situation with a bit of poor judgement and a some bad luck.
Pothole said:
I'd probably react just like the character did though. Scares the sh8t out of me, the thought of going inside.
Really? You'd repeatedly go up to him about taking the phone, until eventually he punched you in the face?I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)
Munter said:
Really? You'd repeatedly go up to him about taking the phone, until eventually he punched you in the face?
I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)
I have no idea, do I? I've never been to prison.I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)
Lets not forget the vast majority of 'normal' people have no idea whatsoever how to scrap. Forget all the 'I'd just see red' etc. I would wager only a very small % would react differently if actually in that situation, obviously for most of the PH collective it would be 'go time' and they'd end up being the wing daddy within 48 hours.
Pothole said:
Munter said:
Really? You'd repeatedly go up to him about taking the phone, until eventually he punched you in the face?
I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)
I have no idea, do I? I've never been to prison.I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)
You either walk away from the situation because you already lost that moment, or you try to escalate it in your favour (which usually go's badly unless you're "well 'ard").
The other moronic option is to take a punch to the face by interacting with them until they are forced to do something about that, and thus giving them a "stage" to show off, the knowledge you're thick as mince, and not going to fight back, so they can continue to use you like that. Nobody is realistically going to choose that option (except I guess teachers who're traditionally blind to this sort of activity, thus why he waked into it.) I mean, what's his expected outcome to his actions? The "bully" says "oh sorry, I do apologise, here, have the phone back"? Really?
Nice show, but for me that scene was lazy/wrong. He'd have walked away, or seen red and have his ass handed to him.
Munter said:
Pothole said:
Munter said:
Really? You'd repeatedly go up to him about taking the phone, until eventually he punched you in the face?
I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)
I have no idea, do I? I've never been to prison.I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)
You either walk away from the situation because you already lost that moment, or you try to escalate it in your favour (which usually go's badly unless you're "well 'ard").
The other moronic option is to take a punch to the face by interacting with them until they are forced to do something about that, and thus giving them a "stage" to show off, the knowledge you're thick as mince, and not going to fight back, so they can continue to use you like that. Nobody is realistically going to choose that option (except I guess teachers who're traditionally blind to this sort of activity, thus why he waked into it.) I mean, what's his expected outcome to his actions? The "bully" says "oh sorry, I do apologise, here, have the phone back"? Really?
Nice show, but for me that scene was lazy/wrong. He'd have walked away, or seen red and have his ass handed to him.
Pothole said:
Yawn. I am aware of the options. I have absolutely no idea what I'd do. I'm old, fat and slow. I left school a long time ago. I haven't had to be involved in a physical altercation since 2006 and even then I could have chosen to walk away, but I got angry. 15 years on I doubt I'd do what I did then even in the same scenario, so as far as that fictitious prison situation goes, I haven't a clue.
But you said you'd do what the character did. I find "knowing the options", and thinking you'd pick the daft one with no known positive outcome to be....unlikely. I suspect like most of us you'd have walked away and considered what to do about it later. But ok.Munter said:
Pothole said:
Yawn. I am aware of the options. I have absolutely no idea what I'd do. I'm old, fat and slow. I left school a long time ago. I haven't had to be involved in a physical altercation since 2006 and even then I could have chosen to walk away, but I got angry. 15 years on I doubt I'd do what I did then even in the same scenario, so as far as that fictitious prison situation goes, I haven't a clue.
But you said you'd do what the character did. I find "knowing the options", and thinking you'd pick the daft one with no known positive outcome to be....unlikely. I suspect like most of us you'd have walked away and considered what to do about it later. But ok.Pothole said:
Munter said:
Pothole said:
Yawn. I am aware of the options. I have absolutely no idea what I'd do. I'm old, fat and slow. I left school a long time ago. I haven't had to be involved in a physical altercation since 2006 and even then I could have chosen to walk away, but I got angry. 15 years on I doubt I'd do what I did then even in the same scenario, so as far as that fictitious prison situation goes, I haven't a clue.
But you said you'd do what the character did. I find "knowing the options", and thinking you'd pick the daft one with no known positive outcome to be....unlikely. I suspect like most of us you'd have walked away and considered what to do about it later. But ok.Always enjoy a Jimmy McGovern story. Only seen one so far but not waiting weekly for the remainder.
Regards the meek concession of the sugar and the phone there are people who behave that way towards bullies and intimidating types.
I've no idea how I'd respond to prison, probably see red in the situation but suspect the kettle would play on my mind. Pretty sure I could not keep eyes on and coolly back the bully off at arms length like a Holywood hero.
Regards the meek concession of the sugar and the phone there are people who behave that way towards bullies and intimidating types.
I've no idea how I'd respond to prison, probably see red in the situation but suspect the kettle would play on my mind. Pretty sure I could not keep eyes on and coolly back the bully off at arms length like a Holywood hero.
Pothole said:
Tony Angelino said:
Watched the first one live and the 2nd one on iPlayer, though it picked up after a slow start. E2 certainly moves along nicely.
I expected more of a thread and contributions in typical PH style with regards to how they would act given the scenario of Sean Bean's character and the bullying.
It actually made me feel quite funny as I imagine most people could find themselves in the same situation with a bit of poor judgement and a some bad luck.
I said to Mrs P that you very purposefully remove one shoe, then one sock, put the shoe back on, fill the sock with a couple of borrowed balls from the pool table and batter the bloke with them until the screws come and drag you away (or his mate shivs you). I'd probably react just like the character did though. Scares the sh8t out of me, the thought of going inside.I expected more of a thread and contributions in typical PH style with regards to how they would act given the scenario of Sean Bean's character and the bullying.
It actually made me feel quite funny as I imagine most people could find themselves in the same situation with a bit of poor judgement and a some bad luck.
Don't normally watch this or any kind of made up drama but with Sean & Steve in it thought i'd try it
Started watching and got to point where prison guard has uncomfortable conversation then goes with wife to see son banged up in another prison and thought no thanks
You'd expect a screw, more than any other bloke on the planet, to have bent over backwards to ensure his lad did not end up banged up in the same environment that he works!
And then the lads body language when they visit him
I'm probably missing out on something worth watching but just seemed too ridiculous to me
Started watching and got to point where prison guard has uncomfortable conversation then goes with wife to see son banged up in another prison and thought no thanks
You'd expect a screw, more than any other bloke on the planet, to have bent over backwards to ensure his lad did not end up banged up in the same environment that he works!
And then the lads body language when they visit him
I'm probably missing out on something worth watching but just seemed too ridiculous to me
Absolutely brilliant bit of TV - very gripping, highly emotive, and difficult to watch which is a testament to the cast/script.
Similar to Tony A I found it particularly engaging from the perspective of being a "normal person" who just through poor judgement/luck could end up in an environment and grouping of people so wildly disparate from our usual day-day in a very short space of time with absolutely no adjustment period.
Similar to Tony A I found it particularly engaging from the perspective of being a "normal person" who just through poor judgement/luck could end up in an environment and grouping of people so wildly disparate from our usual day-day in a very short space of time with absolutely no adjustment period.
Remember Twopenceshort? He found himself in the Sean Bean position and wrote a very good thread about it.
‘Time’ is harrowing, and any of us could find ourselves in that situation with a moment’s carelessness in a car.
If Pritti Patel watches it expect sugar and pool to be banned forthwith.
‘Time’ is harrowing, and any of us could find ourselves in that situation with a moment’s carelessness in a car.
If Pritti Patel watches it expect sugar and pool to be banned forthwith.
Watched all 3 last night. Rare for any TV to draw me in.
Really good.
I too wonder about the having to attack the bully then tell the governor that it was nothing though.
Seen that happen in many prison dramas and movies.
So the Psycho Scouser really would leave you alone after that?
As to the Sean Bean character's situation? There for the grace of God ........
Really good.
I too wonder about the having to attack the bully then tell the governor that it was nothing though.
Seen that happen in many prison dramas and movies.
So the Psycho Scouser really would leave you alone after that?
As to the Sean Bean character's situation? There for the grace of God ........
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