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Dan_1981

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17,351 posts

198 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Anyone watch?

Couldn't see an existing thread which surprised me.

Fantastic acting....



And surprisingly Sean Bean isn't dead by the end of the first episode.

cuprabob

14,416 posts

213 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Yes, I enjoyed it too and I agree great acting. Stephen Graham acting along side his real wife too smile

Tony Angelino

1,970 posts

112 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Watched the first one live and the 2nd one on iPlayer, though it picked up after a slow start. E2 certainly moves along nicely.

I expected more of a thread and contributions in typical PH style with regards to how they would act given the scenario of Sean Bean's character and the bullying.

It actually made me feel quite funny as I imagine most people could find themselves in the same situation with a bit of poor judgement and a some bad luck.

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Dan_1981 said:
And surprisingly Sean Bean isn't dead by the end of the first episode.
Teacher in completely unable to spot a bully, or understand any tactics on how to deal with them shocker. He's got the role down perfectly there.

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Tony Angelino said:
Watched the first one live and the 2nd one on iPlayer, though it picked up after a slow start. E2 certainly moves along nicely.

I expected more of a thread and contributions in typical PH style with regards to how they would act given the scenario of Sean Bean's character and the bullying.

It actually made me feel quite funny as I imagine most people could find themselves in the same situation with a bit of poor judgement and a some bad luck.
I said to Mrs P that you very purposefully remove one shoe, then one sock, put the shoe back on, fill the sock with a couple of borrowed balls from the pool table and batter the bloke with them until the screws come and drag you away (or his mate shivs you). I'd probably react just like the character did though. Scares the sh8t out of me, the thought of going inside.

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Pothole said:
I'd probably react just like the character did though. Scares the sh8t out of me, the thought of going inside.
Really? You'd repeatedly go up to him about taking the phone, until eventually he punched you in the face?

I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Munter said:
Really? You'd repeatedly go up to him about taking the phone, until eventually he punched you in the face?

I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)
I have no idea, do I? I've never been to prison.

Tony Angelino

1,970 posts

112 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Lets not forget the vast majority of 'normal' people have no idea whatsoever how to scrap. Forget all the 'I'd just see red' etc. I would wager only a very small % would react differently if actually in that situation, obviously for most of the PH collective it would be 'go time' and they'd end up being the wing daddy within 48 hours.

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Pothole said:
Munter said:
Really? You'd repeatedly go up to him about taking the phone, until eventually he punched you in the face?

I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)
I have no idea, do I? I've never been to prison.
But I presume you did go to school. The tactics used in the show are basically the same, so you'd work them the same.

You either walk away from the situation because you already lost that moment, or you try to escalate it in your favour (which usually go's badly unless you're "well 'ard").

The other moronic option is to take a punch to the face by interacting with them until they are forced to do something about that, and thus giving them a "stage" to show off, the knowledge you're thick as mince, and not going to fight back, so they can continue to use you like that. Nobody is realistically going to choose that option (except I guess teachers who're traditionally blind to this sort of activity, thus why he waked into it.) I mean, what's his expected outcome to his actions? The "bully" says "oh sorry, I do apologise, here, have the phone back"? Really?

Nice show, but for me that scene was lazy/wrong. He'd have walked away, or seen red and have his ass handed to him.

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Munter said:
Pothole said:
Munter said:
Really? You'd repeatedly go up to him about taking the phone, until eventually he punched you in the face?

I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)
I have no idea, do I? I've never been to prison.
But I presume you did go to school. The tactics used in the show are basically the same, so you'd work them the same.

You either walk away from the situation because you already lost that moment, or you try to escalate it in your favour (which usually go's badly unless you're "well 'ard").

The other moronic option is to take a punch to the face by interacting with them until they are forced to do something about that, and thus giving them a "stage" to show off, the knowledge you're thick as mince, and not going to fight back, so they can continue to use you like that. Nobody is realistically going to choose that option (except I guess teachers who're traditionally blind to this sort of activity, thus why he waked into it.) I mean, what's his expected outcome to his actions? The "bully" says "oh sorry, I do apologise, here, have the phone back"? Really?

Nice show, but for me that scene was lazy/wrong. He'd have walked away, or seen red and have his ass handed to him.
Yawn. I am aware of the options. I have absolutely no idea what I'd do. I'm old, fat and slow. I left school a long time ago. I haven't had to be involved in a physical altercation since 2006 and even then I could have chosen to walk away, but I got angry. 15 years on I doubt I'd do what I did then even in the same scenario, so as far as that fictitious prison situation goes, I haven't a clue.

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Pothole said:
Yawn. I am aware of the options. I have absolutely no idea what I'd do. I'm old, fat and slow. I left school a long time ago. I haven't had to be involved in a physical altercation since 2006 and even then I could have chosen to walk away, but I got angry. 15 years on I doubt I'd do what I did then even in the same scenario, so as far as that fictitious prison situation goes, I haven't a clue.
But you said you'd do what the character did. I find "knowing the options", and thinking you'd pick the daft one with no known positive outcome to be....unlikely. I suspect like most of us you'd have walked away and considered what to do about it later. But ok.

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Munter said:
Pothole said:
Yawn. I am aware of the options. I have absolutely no idea what I'd do. I'm old, fat and slow. I left school a long time ago. I haven't had to be involved in a physical altercation since 2006 and even then I could have chosen to walk away, but I got angry. 15 years on I doubt I'd do what I did then even in the same scenario, so as far as that fictitious prison situation goes, I haven't a clue.
But you said you'd do what the character did. I find "knowing the options", and thinking you'd pick the daft one with no known positive outcome to be....unlikely. I suspect like most of us you'd have walked away and considered what to do about it later. But ok.
You clearly know me better than me. Well done.

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Pothole said:
Munter said:
Pothole said:
Yawn. I am aware of the options. I have absolutely no idea what I'd do. I'm old, fat and slow. I left school a long time ago. I haven't had to be involved in a physical altercation since 2006 and even then I could have chosen to walk away, but I got angry. 15 years on I doubt I'd do what I did then even in the same scenario, so as far as that fictitious prison situation goes, I haven't a clue.
But you said you'd do what the character did. I find "knowing the options", and thinking you'd pick the daft one with no known positive outcome to be....unlikely. I suspect like most of us you'd have walked away and considered what to do about it later. But ok.
You clearly know me better than me. Well done.
To be honest when I expressed surprise that you'd "do what the character did". I thought you were going to say "ah yeah, forgot exactly how that scene went down, that was a dumb thing to do, I'd have walked away". So no. I clearly don't know you.

Don Veloci

1,920 posts

280 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Always enjoy a Jimmy McGovern story. Only seen one so far but not waiting weekly for the remainder.

Regards the meek concession of the sugar and the phone there are people who behave that way towards bullies and intimidating types.

I've no idea how I'd respond to prison, probably see red in the situation but suspect the kettle would play on my mind. Pretty sure I could not keep eyes on and coolly back the bully off at arms length like a Holywood hero.



Wacky Racer

38,099 posts

246 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Pothole said:
Tony Angelino said:
Watched the first one live and the 2nd one on iPlayer, though it picked up after a slow start. E2 certainly moves along nicely.

I expected more of a thread and contributions in typical PH style with regards to how they would act given the scenario of Sean Bean's character and the bullying.

It actually made me feel quite funny as I imagine most people could find themselves in the same situation with a bit of poor judgement and a some bad luck.
I said to Mrs P that you very purposefully remove one shoe, then one sock, put the shoe back on, fill the sock with a couple of borrowed balls from the pool table and batter the bloke with them until the screws come and drag you away (or his mate shivs you). I'd probably react just like the character did though. Scares the sh8t out of me, the thought of going inside.
The balls in a sock thing was done in "Scum" with Ray Winstone,

Biggus thingus

1,358 posts

43 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Don't normally watch this or any kind of made up drama but with Sean & Steve in it thought i'd try it

Started watching and got to point where prison guard has uncomfortable conversation then goes with wife to see son banged up in another prison and thought no thanks

You'd expect a screw, more than any other bloke on the planet, to have bent over backwards to ensure his lad did not end up banged up in the same environment that he works!

And then the lads body language when they visit him

I'm probably missing out on something worth watching but just seemed too ridiculous to me

Halmyre

11,147 posts

138 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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One thought is that Sean Bean doesn't convince as a mild and meek teacher. I wonder if Martin Clunes was unavailable?

Gripping stuff though. Although the main character's plight was probably enough for the story even without the psycho cellmate and the prison officer's dilemma.

GibsonLP

127 posts

55 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Absolutely brilliant bit of TV - very gripping, highly emotive, and difficult to watch which is a testament to the cast/script.

Similar to Tony A I found it particularly engaging from the perspective of being a "normal person" who just through poor judgement/luck could end up in an environment and grouping of people so wildly disparate from our usual day-day in a very short space of time with absolutely no adjustment period.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

278 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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Remember Twopenceshort? He found himself in the Sean Bean position and wrote a very good thread about it.

‘Time’ is harrowing, and any of us could find ourselves in that situation with a moment’s carelessness in a car.

If Pritti Patel watches it expect sugar and pool to be banned forthwith.

croyde

22,701 posts

229 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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Watched all 3 last night. Rare for any TV to draw me in.

Really good.

I too wonder about the having to attack the bully then tell the governor that it was nothing though.

Seen that happen in many prison dramas and movies.

So the Psycho Scouser really would leave you alone after that?

As to the Sean Bean character's situation? There for the grace of God ........