LOKI - Marvel's best TV Series To Date?
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BlackWidow13 said:
The number of whines about woke culture in your posts speaks for itself.
Indeed it does - it says that like most regular members of the public I'm fed up with woke politics being jammed into every aspect of culture.Happily, as I observed, they seem to have kept the woke to a minimum so far in Loki so hopefully this will make for a better story, which is what drama/entertainment is supposed to be about, not ticking boxes.
Lucas Ayde said:
the usual 'strong diverse characters' at every opportunity
Lucas Ayde said:
Happily, as I observed, they seem to have kept the woke to a minimum so far in Loki
So which is it? "strong diverse characters at every opportunity", or just the right amount? What are "strong diverse characters"?Lucas Ayde said:
BlackWidow13 said:
The number of whines about woke culture in your posts speaks for itself.
Indeed it does - it says that like most regular members of the public I'm fed up with woke politics being jammed into every aspect of culture.Happily, as I observed, they seem to have kept the woke to a minimum so far in Loki so hopefully this will make for a better story, which is what drama/entertainment is supposed to be about, not ticking boxes.
Lucas Ayde said:
Too bad they have to shoe-horn in the usual 'strong diverse characters' at every opportunity but that's the price of doing anything in the US entertainment industry today. The writers did a good job of working around political dictats to deliver a good story and Hiddleston and Wilson deliver good performances to bring their characters to life.
That’s what you said. Where did they shoehorn in diverse characters? So far you’re dodging the questionEdited by MiniMan64 on Friday 18th June 15:38
Bringing it round to dangerously back on track, I've not made my mind up about this yet. Love the character but I hope they don't go down the route of de-powering him completely, in terms of physicality as well as wit. Can't have him running round being out smarted and kicked about every episode, considering the ego. I also get why they've done it, to move the MCU forward, but not a fan of how they trivialised the infinity stones so nonchalantly. Obviously all MCU films are low stakes drama but this completely undoes the last ten years of films in terms of people's actions/sacrifices etc actually being worth anything.
forrestgrump said:
I also get why they've done it, to move the MCU forward, but not a fan of how they trivialised the infinity stones so nonchalantly. Obviously all MCU films are low stakes drama but this completely undoes the last ten years of films in terms of people's actions/sacrifices etc actually being worth anything.
… or it’s to cement just how much power the TVA have. I recall they said Loki’s magic didn’t work there either - to me it just suggests that the TVA is the ultimate “safe space” when it comes to magical items. 
DanL said:
… or it’s to cement just how much power the TVA have. I recall they said Loki’s magic didn’t work there either - to me it just suggests that the TVA is the ultimate “safe space” when it comes to magical items.
Of course, but it runs a little parallel to the Eternals problem. Were the TVA intercepting and resetting lots of little timelines so Endgame panned out as it should, considering it also featured time travel? I'm also sceptical since the directors and writers of Endgame disagreed about the mechanics of time travel in their own film, so I hope this doesn't start becoming all over the shop. It's comic book stuff so there's going to be convenient plot devices, secrets revealed out of nowhere etc, but for me personally I preferred the MCU when it was a little more 'earth and human person bound' and they couldn't just say 'oh that was a shapeshifter all along, that was a time travel, that's not real, we undid that, ha we tricked you, nothing matters', which seems to be where it's headed. Still gunna watch it all though so whatever. Just think in a decade it'll get the Dark Knight treatment and it'll all look a bit daft in retrospect.
My guess is Infinity Stones only work in their own universe, and the TVA is outside the universe as we know it.
As for why the Time Keepers did not intervene to stop Thanos, I don’t think we can assume they are controlling the timeline for the good of the people in the universe. We don’t know what their motives are (if they even exist), but I doubt they are the good guys in this story.
As for why the Time Keepers did not intervene to stop Thanos, I don’t think we can assume they are controlling the timeline for the good of the people in the universe. We don’t know what their motives are (if they even exist), but I doubt they are the good guys in this story.
SlimJim16v said:
Although I'm enjoying it, I still can't get over a god losing a fight with a human using a cattle prod. There's suspending disbelief and there's taking the piss.
Are the people who work in the TVA humans (as opposed to humanoid in appearance)? ISTR a reference to the timekeepers having created them. And if magic doesn’t work in the TVA and not do the infinity stones, it would seem consistent for Asgardians to be de-powered too. The Spruce Goose said:
BlackWidow13 said:
Sounds like the poster only enjoys things which have a cast purely made up of white male characters.
i thought the same, i never even noticed what he noticed.The head of the whole thing is an attractive, bi racial women who’s feminine but still more powerful than Möbius.
Like in Falcon, all white people were bad except The Winter Soldier who is now just a ninny
Issac a proud black man had been betrayed and abused by white folks yet the new Captain America, Walker was portrayed as arrogant, almost Alan Partridge with a shield
BlackWidow13 said:
Are the people who work in the TVA humans (as opposed to humanoid in appearance)? ISTR a reference to the timekeepers having created them. And if magic doesn’t work in the TVA and not do the infinity stones, it would seem consistent for Asgardians to be de-powered too.
It was on Earth, Loki is a god and Asgardian warrior. DaveA8 said:
Oh come on, the other posters comments are based on fact, a roly poly tough talking black women as head of security, an Asian guy who’s a cringing nerd and in the French scene a white man who was going to off a kid.
The head of the whole thing is an attractive, bi racial women who’s feminine but still more powerful than Möbius.
Like in Falcon, all white people were bad except The Winter Soldier who is now just a ninny
Issac a proud black man had been betrayed and abused by white folks yet the new Captain America, Walker was portrayed as arrogant, almost Alan Partridge with a shield
The head of security casting was the worst - I would have cast a Ving Rames/Dave Bautista/Jason Momoa type dude who I would actually believe could seriously kick ass and be the head muscle of the organisation. Female Loki strikes me as potentially just there to show up how much 'better' a woman would be than male Loki ... or I guess could be a geniunely interesting spin. Let's see how it plays out.The head of the whole thing is an attractive, bi racial women who’s feminine but still more powerful than Möbius.
Like in Falcon, all white people were bad except The Winter Soldier who is now just a ninny
Issac a proud black man had been betrayed and abused by white folks yet the new Captain America, Walker was portrayed as arrogant, almost Alan Partridge with a shield
There certainly aren't any particularly 'strong' male characters apart from Loki (who is probably going to be shown up as inadequate by his female alter-ego) and whom they have already started to portray as an almost comedic type instead of the dangerous,vicious and very powerful near-God he has been in the past. Moebius is just written as a bit of a worn-out, 'past his best' character instead of just being hard bitten and cynical. Maybe he'll come good and show strength later on.
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