The Gold, Sunday eve
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Randy Winkman said:
Agent57 said:
As mentioned earlier, I can't believe they got so many basic car details wrong on this. Not just slight facelift differences either.
The BBC must employ consultants or did they just think any car from the 80s will do?
I guess they thought it was best to choose from the cars they could actually get rather than the ones they'd like, but couldn't? The BBC must employ consultants or did they just think any car from the 80s will do?
If you're tasked with assembling a load of 1980s cars for street scenes, plus a period-correct Ford Granada for one of the main characters to drive, then you're relying on the network of classic car owners that are willing to rent out their cars for TV work (or you buy it on ebay if you know it's going to get crashed
) It has to be in excellent condition, as it would have been a new car in the time period the show is set.
The pool of available Granadas is dwindling rapidly. Most suffered from terminal rust, or died a warrior's death on the banger track. Have a look on ebay or CarandClassic.com at the Mk2 and Mk3 Granadas available to buy right now - there aren't many! So if you end up with a 1985 model and not a 1983, you take what you can get.
spreadsheet monkey said:
Randy Winkman said:
Agent57 said:
As mentioned earlier, I can't believe they got so many basic car details wrong on this. Not just slight facelift differences either.
The BBC must employ consultants or did they just think any car from the 80s will do?
I guess they thought it was best to choose from the cars they could actually get rather than the ones they'd like, but couldn't? The BBC must employ consultants or did they just think any car from the 80s will do?
If you're tasked with assembling a load of 1980s cars for street scenes, plus a period-correct Ford Granada for one of the main characters to drive, then you're relying on the network of classic car owners that are willing to rent out their cars for TV work (or you buy it on ebay if you know it's going to get crashed
) It has to be in excellent condition, as it would have been a new car in the time period the show is set.
The pool of available Granadas is dwindling rapidly. Most suffered from terminal rust, or died a warrior's death on the banger track. Have a look on ebay or CarandClassic.com at the Mk2 and Mk3 Granadas available to buy right now - there aren't many! So if you end up with a 1985 model and not a 1983, you take what you can get.
Just finished watching this and really enjoyed it. There might have been a bunch of historical innaccuracies throughout, but the production was really well done and made a great drama series. I'm looking forward to the next series (hopefully), and could see the same 'team' solving a bunch of even less historically correct cases too, all to a great 80's indie soundtrack.
The only thing that irked me, was seeing that gold Volvo 340 in almost every scene (I don't think it was mentioned, but it was even in the border scene as one of the queuing cars).
The only thing that irked me, was seeing that gold Volvo 340 in almost every scene (I don't think it was mentioned, but it was even in the border scene as one of the queuing cars).
I read this morning that there'll be a second series that will focus on Charlie Wilson's role, not sure if that's him in Spain at the end of S1 as he seemed quite brash and Wilson was known as the silent man, I suspect it's supposed to be Tony White.
I'm hoping series 2 focuses more on this side of things:
I'm hoping series 2 focuses more on this side of things:
article said:
In the past two years there have been two unsolved murders of criminals who are alleged to have laundered the money and shipped it abroad. In November 2001, minicab boss Brian Perry, 63, was shot three times in the head and body by a gangland hitman in Bermondsey, South London.
The Channel 4 show claims Perry betrayed McAvoy by refusing to help him trade in his share of the fortune for a reduced jail sentence.
Perry, played by an actor saying the words he used in a meeting with police, states: "Once the cell door is closed, what's he (McAvoy) got to trade?"
Former Metropolitan Police commander Roy Ramm, who led the probe, said: "The message was that Mickey was out of touch. He's saying to us - whatever Mickey thinks, he's out of it."
The programme quotes from a bitter letter McAvoy wrote to henchman Tony White from his cell. He warns: "I won't have anyone else keeping my share for their own needs. He will sign his own death warrant to go through with it.
"If he believes we are away too long to worry about it, well, it will be done for me. I have no intention of being f*****d for my money."
Six months ago George Francis, also 63, was gunned down at point-blank range as he sat in his car outside the courier business he ran.
Murder squad detectives quizzed McAvoy about Francis's execution
The Channel 4 show claims Perry betrayed McAvoy by refusing to help him trade in his share of the fortune for a reduced jail sentence.
Perry, played by an actor saying the words he used in a meeting with police, states: "Once the cell door is closed, what's he (McAvoy) got to trade?"
Former Metropolitan Police commander Roy Ramm, who led the probe, said: "The message was that Mickey was out of touch. He's saying to us - whatever Mickey thinks, he's out of it."
The programme quotes from a bitter letter McAvoy wrote to henchman Tony White from his cell. He warns: "I won't have anyone else keeping my share for their own needs. He will sign his own death warrant to go through with it.
"If he believes we are away too long to worry about it, well, it will be done for me. I have no intention of being f*****d for my money."
Six months ago George Francis, also 63, was gunned down at point-blank range as he sat in his car outside the courier business he ran.
Murder squad detectives quizzed McAvoy about Francis's execution
Edited by Oakey on Thursday 16th March 11:21
Everyone's probably moved on from The Gold now, but an interesting article from The Guardian about the challenges of recreating the 80s: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/mar/...
An interesting point there is that while period TV shows often focus on the well-known cliches of fashion/decor/vehicles of a particular era, in fact many (especially older) people would have dressed and furnished their homes in much older styles (and driven old cars!). I can remember in my childhood in the early 80s, elderly relatives and old people you saw in the shops would often dress as if it was still the 1940s, such as my long-retired uncle coming to stay with us over Christmas wearing a brown suit and tie throughout the visit.
The article also mentions the mild mistake of having Palmer in The Gold use the word "tsunami" when people then said "tidal wave". This was one I noted when watching the series... I don't think I came across "tsunami" until the Boxing Day 2004 disaster.
Presumably the smoking in all these period TV shows must be nicotine-free cigarettes? I imagine these days 'real' cigarettes couldn't be smoked in a studio, or given to actors who don't smoke.
An interesting point there is that while period TV shows often focus on the well-known cliches of fashion/decor/vehicles of a particular era, in fact many (especially older) people would have dressed and furnished their homes in much older styles (and driven old cars!). I can remember in my childhood in the early 80s, elderly relatives and old people you saw in the shops would often dress as if it was still the 1940s, such as my long-retired uncle coming to stay with us over Christmas wearing a brown suit and tie throughout the visit.
The article also mentions the mild mistake of having Palmer in The Gold use the word "tsunami" when people then said "tidal wave". This was one I noted when watching the series... I don't think I came across "tsunami" until the Boxing Day 2004 disaster.
Presumably the smoking in all these period TV shows must be nicotine-free cigarettes? I imagine these days 'real' cigarettes couldn't be smoked in a studio, or given to actors who don't smoke.
We finished watching this last night.
It is an interesting story. I was young when it happened, but was aware of the Brinks Mat robbery from the early 90s and I read more about it when Noye killed the man on the motorway.
In the early 00s, I knew a woman from West Kingsdown who mentioned Noye.
I thought that it was really good. Much deeper, more coherent and better acted than much BBC/ITV drama.
They appeared to make Noye and Palmer less mean/tough than their reputations (and line of work/circles they moved in) would suggest.
The overt class/establishment thing was very over-done. They were all people trying to make a fast buck. The solicitor was an amalgam of various white-collar people who were involved. I'm not sure that he really needed the back-story he was given.
The differences in communications, technology, cars and the constant smoking showed that the mid 80s was more different than we sometimes think.
Boyce, Jennings, Noye and Palmer were particularly well-acted, but the whole cast were good.
The Granada was like my uncle's 2.4 (he replaced with with a Scorpio saloon version when he crashed the Granada) and I thought it was probably a bit early for it.
It is an interesting story. I was young when it happened, but was aware of the Brinks Mat robbery from the early 90s and I read more about it when Noye killed the man on the motorway.
In the early 00s, I knew a woman from West Kingsdown who mentioned Noye.
I thought that it was really good. Much deeper, more coherent and better acted than much BBC/ITV drama.
They appeared to make Noye and Palmer less mean/tough than their reputations (and line of work/circles they moved in) would suggest.
The overt class/establishment thing was very over-done. They were all people trying to make a fast buck. The solicitor was an amalgam of various white-collar people who were involved. I'm not sure that he really needed the back-story he was given.
The differences in communications, technology, cars and the constant smoking showed that the mid 80s was more different than we sometimes think.
Boyce, Jennings, Noye and Palmer were particularly well-acted, but the whole cast were good.
The Granada was like my uncle's 2.4 (he replaced with with a Scorpio saloon version when he crashed the Granada) and I thought it was probably a bit early for it.
Armitage.Shanks said:
I’ve only watched it as it appears each week so I’m one from the end but I think they’ve drawn it out too much as it’s slow in places.
The episode with the solicitor's background was a bit drawn-out, but I quite like the pace of the series. You probably wouldn't like Better Call Saul.
MC Bodge said:
Louis Balfour said:
The Cure's "A Forest" was very fitting to end it with.
I said the same thing. The thumping bass line as it ended sounded great and moody. Looking forward to the next series
MC Bodge said:
The episode with the solicitor's background was a bit drawn-out, but I quite like the pace of the series.
Relton's (Cooper) story quite interesting> https://powerbase.info/index.php/Michael_ReltonSome things are made clearer in this documentary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
Randy Winkman said:
Some things are made clearer in this documentary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
I was surprised McAvoy’s girlfriend (or wife) ended up living in a house bought with the proceeds, on the same road where I grew up.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
Randy Winkman said:
Some things are made clearer in this documentary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
I watched that last night, really interesting.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
Randy Winkman said:
Some things are made clearer in this documentary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
Yes, I intend to watch it.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
Randy Winkman said:
Some things are made clearer in this documentary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
Just watched it. I would have liked to have a list of all those charged and to see what happened to them. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
outnumbered said:
Randy Winkman said:
Some things are made clearer in this documentary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
I was surprised McAvoy’s girlfriend (or wife) ended up living in a house bought with the proceeds, on the same road where I grew up.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3y/the...
Apparently McAvoy gave an interview before he died, said they knew all along the gold was there
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/the-gold-bbc/
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/the-gold-bbc/
Oakey said:
Apparently McAvoy gave an interview before he died, said they knew all along the gold was there
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/the-gold-bbc/
They had to know it was there, the inside man would have told them.https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/the-gold-bbc/
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