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Muzzer79

9,806 posts

186 months

Tuesday 14th February 2023
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Pitre said:
The Noye actor is way too nice. From all accounts he is/was a properly nasty hard bd.
Likewise John Palmer - also not the sort to meet in a dark alley

Trevatanus

11,109 posts

149 months

Tuesday 14th February 2023
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Brings back memories for me, when I was just out of school, I was job hunting and walking around trading estates asking about any vacancies, but could not get onto Heathrow International Trading Estate, due to this event.
I subsequently, about 15 years later, ended up working in the building next door to Brinks.

One morning, a colleague who was on a 5am start, went out side the office due to a power cut on the estate, 10 minutes later, he was starting down the end of a Met Police firearm explaining why he was there in the "middle of the night".

Alickadoo

1,593 posts

22 months

Tuesday 14th February 2023
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Doofus said:
I think, in episode 1, about half the characters are fictional.
In the real Brinks - Mat who was Mr Cooper?

Muzzer79

9,806 posts

186 months

Tuesday 14th February 2023
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Alickadoo said:
Doofus said:
I think, in episode 1, about half the characters are fictional.
In the real Brinks - Mat who was Mr Cooper?
IINM, that character is based on a combination of Michael Relton - a solicitor involved in the laundering process and Brian Perry, another of the launderers.


over_the_hill

3,185 posts

245 months

Tuesday 14th February 2023
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Doofus said:
surveyor said:
youngsyr said:
Is this based on true events then? The blurb made it sound like fiction?
It literally said at the start.

Based on real events, with drama and fiction in-between.
I think, in episode 1, about half the characters are fictional.
The general story line is correct.
Gang set out to rob security warehouse of cash they knew would be there.
Guard (on the firm) either left the alarm off or the side door unlocked - can't remember which.
Gang burst in and see boxes in the corner. No one knows what they are. Have a look and jackpot.
The trouble then starts to build as other gangs and criminals realise there is £25+ million of hooky gold on the loose and they all want a split.



Doofus

25,732 posts

172 months

Tuesday 14th February 2023
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Muzzer79 said:
Alickadoo said:
Doofus said:
I think, in episode 1, about half the characters are fictional.
In the real Brinks - Mat who was Mr Cooper?
IINM, that character is based on a combination of Michael Relton - a solicitor involved in the laundering process and Brian Perry, another of the launderers.
Yeah. Edwyn Cooper isn't real, neither is the female DI, Nicki Jennings.

cuprabob

14,419 posts

213 months

Tuesday 14th February 2023
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Watched the first episode and though it was OK and will continue to watch the rest, although it didn't make me want to rush off and watch the rest immediately.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

191 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the very prominent social commentary that was at the forefront of this series - it felt less like a retelling of the robbery and more a commentary on the class system.

I found that very interesting, but only have my limited personal view to go by, so it would be interesting to hear other people's opinions.

Was the "establishment" really that strong in the 80s, or even now, protecting the wealthy families and keeping the nouveau riche out?

Were there really "two systems" at play in the police forece - a small number of straight police officers and the vast majority (including an entire force - Kent) that was to one degree or another bent?

Pitre

4,492 posts

233 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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I think the social commentary aspect was more specifically about Freemasons v non Freemasons....

rjfp1962

7,611 posts

72 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Not watched this one myself, but like that they use Joy Division's Digital in the promo smile

youngsyr

14,742 posts

191 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Pitre said:
I think the social commentary aspect was more specifically about Freemasons v non Freemasons....
What about the whole "Mr Cooper" story line?

Alickadoo

1,593 posts

22 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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youngsyr said:
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the very prominent social commentary that was at the forefront of this series - it felt less like a retelling of the robbery and more a commentary on the class system.

I found that very interesting, but only have my limited personal view to go by, so it would be interesting to hear other people's opinions.

Was the "establishment" really that strong in the 80s, or even now, protecting the wealthy families and keeping the nouveau riche out?

Were there really "two systems" at play in the police forece - a small number of straight police officers and the vast majority (including an entire force - Kent) that was to one degree or another bent?
This was the dramatised version of the factual story.

We simply don't know how much was fact and how much was fiction. Those speeches from the dock/witness box? How much of that was script writer's licence?

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Just watched Episode 2. Spotted the pale blue BMC Landcrab again, in a different location.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

191 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Alickadoo said:
youngsyr said:
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the very prominent social commentary that was at the forefront of this series - it felt less like a retelling of the robbery and more a commentary on the class system.

I found that very interesting, but only have my limited personal view to go by, so it would be interesting to hear other people's opinions.

Was the "establishment" really that strong in the 80s, or even now, protecting the wealthy families and keeping the nouveau riche out?

Were there really "two systems" at play in the police forece - a small number of straight police officers and the vast majority (including an entire force - Kent) that was to one degree or another bent?
This was the dramatised version of the factual story.

We simply don't know how much was fact and how much was fiction. Those speeches from the dock/witness box? How much of that was script writer's licence?
That's not my point. My pint is that the producers clearly wanted to go very heavy on the social commentary aspect and I wondered what people thought about it?

85Carrera

3,503 posts

236 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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soxboy said:
DoctorX said:
Muzzer79 said:
Not 10 minutes in I’m seeing a Granada, allegedly in 1983, which wasn’t manufactured until mid to late 80s and my teeth are itching hehe
Beat me to it hehe
It’s not just a Granada, it’s a Scorpio, so unlikely Flying Squad issue.

Also Rover 200, facelifted Escort mk4, I’m sure there’ll be plenty more that I can point out and see the disappointed look on my wife’s face.
Just caught up with this, spotted those and bored the wife with pedantry beer

85Carrera

3,503 posts

236 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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PositronicRay said:
Pitre said:
The Noye actor is way too nice. From all accounts he is/was a properly nasty hard bd.
They need a Sir Ben K, for that one.


( funny how thier misses always looks the bleedin same.)

Edited by PositronicRay on Tuesday 14th February 08:59
Can’t remember the name of the film off the top of my head but he was a proper bd in that.

Edit: Sexy Beast - good film if you’ve not seen it

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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85Carrera said:
PositronicRay said:
Pitre said:
The Noye actor is way too nice. From all accounts he is/was a properly nasty hard bd.
They need a Sir Ben K, for that one.


( funny how thier misses always looks the bleedin same.)

Edited by PositronicRay on Tuesday 14th February 08:59
Can’t remember the name of the film off the top of my head but he was a proper bd in that.

Edit: Sexy Beast - good film if you’ve not seen it
Ben Kingsley says he based the character on his grandmother. When I heard that I assumed he meant it in a jokey sort of way but apparently he was deadly serious.

Randy Winkman

16,021 posts

188 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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youngsyr said:
Alickadoo said:
youngsyr said:
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the very prominent social commentary that was at the forefront of this series - it felt less like a retelling of the robbery and more a commentary on the class system.

I found that very interesting, but only have my limited personal view to go by, so it would be interesting to hear other people's opinions.

Was the "establishment" really that strong in the 80s, or even now, protecting the wealthy families and keeping the nouveau riche out?

Were there really "two systems" at play in the police forece - a small number of straight police officers and the vast majority (including an entire force - Kent) that was to one degree or another bent?
This was the dramatised version of the factual story.

We simply don't know how much was fact and how much was fiction. Those speeches from the dock/witness box? How much of that was script writer's licence?
That's not my point. My pint is that the producers clearly wanted to go very heavy on the social commentary aspect and I wondered what people thought about it?
I think it's reasonable and understandable provided there's some truth behind it. Perhaps it's a reflection on common criminal attitudes of the time, almost like and excuse for committing crime. I'm reading a book at the moment about Roy Larner who is the Millwall supporter who was famous for 5 minutes following the London Bridge/Borough Market attack. In it he says how his criminal father made excuses in the 1970s about his fraud and forgery not being "real crimes" because they were aimed at big business and not working people. Even if we don't know that actual conversations took place as per the drama, perhaps attitudes like that are/were common?



Legacywr

12,017 posts

187 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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Doofus said:
Coxey said:
The Gangster podcast is worth a listen the one about John Palmer…
He was a properly nasty piece of work.
Where can an old fart find this?

Kenny Noye is a very fascinating character, so few photos of him around?

Doofus

25,732 posts

172 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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Legacywr said:
Doofus said:
Coxey said:
The Gangster podcast is worth a listen the one about John Palmer…
He was a properly nasty piece of work.
Where can an old fart find this?

Kenny Noye is a very fascinating character, so few photos of him around?
BBC Sounds