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Ayahuasca said:
Shame real history is never written as excitingly as GOT, although it was just as savage and complicated; think of Edward II's wife plotting with her lover to have the King's intestines burned out, later the King's son, Edward III as a teenager finding his way through a secret passage into the castle chamber where his mother and her lover lay together; claiming the crown, having the lover executed and throwing mum into prison. Then when the Wars of the Roses kicks off it's full-on mayhem for generations.
GOT's geography is clearly Britain - the Wall is obviously Hadrian's Wall (to the south, civilization, to the north a barren wasteland where half dead zombie-like creatures dwell. The North is obviously Yorkshire and Winterfell is Sheffield. King's Landing is London. The Narrow Sea is the Channel, beyond which live horse eaters (the French). No wonder it all seems familiar!
SHEFFIELD????????????????????????????????????????????????????GOT's geography is clearly Britain - the Wall is obviously Hadrian's Wall (to the south, civilization, to the north a barren wasteland where half dead zombie-like creatures dwell. The North is obviously Yorkshire and Winterfell is Sheffield. King's Landing is London. The Narrow Sea is the Channel, beyond which live horse eaters (the French). No wonder it all seems familiar!
I likewise had Dorne down as Spain.
Edited by DJRC on Wednesday 10th October 15:37
Nightmare said:
roogi said:
I finished the fifth book a while ago and I'm a bit stuck with what to read now, any suggestions?
depends what you like most about it.....as 'fantasy' books go they're so historically based its hard to think of anything particularly similar.for some ace fantasy try Steven Eriksons ' Malazan books of the fallen' series - utter genius but do take some reading to get into
Joe Abercrombies first series is also a bit different and entertaining.
If you've not read Legend by David Gemmel you should...only fantasy book to appear in the Times top 40...though I prefer Waylander.
Druss is the man. Gotta love a character that has a shouting match with Death
http://www.sermountaingoat.co.uk/posts/google_eart...
You have to turn off all the normal Google Earth options for names and any other bookmarks you have, then it overlays the globe with that.
It's not a full globe though.
You have to turn off all the normal Google Earth options for names and any other bookmarks you have, then it overlays the globe with that.
It's not a full globe though.
I think the place where the dancing masters come from has a cross reference with Spain/Italy.
Not everything fits exactly or is meant to be a match. Dorthaki culture with it's horse based meme is very Mongol-like.
I do like the very vague British Isles transplant. The North is North England, the Iron Islands are sort of Irish/Viking type stuff. Clegane is played by a Scotsman. I read somewhere the Vale is meant to be Wales, though Martin has admitted he wouldn't recognise a Welsh accent.
Not everything fits exactly or is meant to be a match. Dorthaki culture with it's horse based meme is very Mongol-like.
I do like the very vague British Isles transplant. The North is North England, the Iron Islands are sort of Irish/Viking type stuff. Clegane is played by a Scotsman. I read somewhere the Vale is meant to be Wales, though Martin has admitted he wouldn't recognise a Welsh accent.
Halb said:
I think the place where the dancing masters come from has a cross reference with Spain/Italy.
I read a 16th century book the other day by an English swordsman who was complaining about mincing Continental types (your Water-Dancing Master) using rapiers to prick opponents, while good honest English swordsmen like himself prefered heavy chopping blades that cleaved opponents in half. Here it is if you are interested: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/paradoxes.html
Ayahuasca said:
Here it is if you are interested: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/paradoxes.html
Ace, ta for that!FourWheelDrift said:
I think Spain, probably the city of Toldeo famous for the Toledo Salamanca rapier sword.
Well it's not an exact fit. I was thinking along the lines of the Italian style of city states that existed for a while.nm231 said:
Just a tip dont google image Sahara Knite to find out who she is at work .....oops
I read your tip too late - did am image search on the train, the lady sitting next to me was somewhat shocked! But we ended up talking about GoTnote to self.....turn on Google Safe Search when in public
Halb said:
Well it's not an exact fit. I was thinking along the lines of the Italian style of city states that existed for a while.
I was thinking if Martin follows British history to base some things on and he had Sean Bean in the cast he must have seen Sharpe. In one episode was a great swordsman who's weapon of choice was a Toledo Salamanca I think that might be stretching it a little bit too far although I do think Sean Bean was an inspired casting choice to play Eddard. He was pretty much exactly how I imagined him while reading the books. It might be because I was watching Sharpe at the time I read the books though.
The city states around the Narrow Sea are a good call for the city states of Italy but where do the later mentioned lands fit? There is an Island a character comes from later and its clearly not one of those type states.
I guess you can take the analogy too far.
Oh and I also googled that actress at work, luckily or unluckiy we have Safe Search on by default and cannot change it!
The city states around the Narrow Sea are a good call for the city states of Italy but where do the later mentioned lands fit? There is an Island a character comes from later and its clearly not one of those type states.
I guess you can take the analogy too far.
Oh and I also googled that actress at work, luckily or unluckiy we have Safe Search on by default and cannot change it!
kingstondc5 said:
Melisandre;
is she a plant who has been manipulating whats his face, so all his soldier and as many other soldiers die, leaving it open for a targareyn return, just like Vary's killing the 'hand'?
The above spoiler relates to the last book
is she a plant who has been manipulating whats his face, so all his soldier and as many other soldiers die, leaving it open for a targareyn return, just like Vary's killing the 'hand'?
The above spoiler relates to the last book
Hadn't thought of that, its possible, its equally possible Stannis is just a stubborn idiot
blueg33 said:
kingstondc5 said:
Melisandre;
is she a plant who has been manipulating whats his face, so all his soldier and as many other soldiers die, leaving it open for a targareyn return, just like Vary's killing the 'hand'?
The above spoiler relates to the last book
is she a plant who has been manipulating whats his face, so all his soldier and as many other soldiers die, leaving it open for a targareyn return, just like Vary's killing the 'hand'?
The above spoiler relates to the last book
Hadn't thought of that, its possible, its equally possible Stannis is just a stubborn idiot
Its as good a theory as some Ive read but I think its unlikely myself. Stannis is doing the right thing and we all know what GRRM does to people who do the right thing!
Personally I think Stannis is just being Stannis. Melisandre has pretty much given up on him hence why she stayed with Jon
Link wont work on my work PC but is that the same poorly written article where they have given the plot synopsis for Series 2 as Series 3?
I think the remarks have been taken out of context. I think what they mean is that in the first series and less so in the second they didnt have the budget to do many of the set pieces they wanted to so replaced it with more dialog. Now they have a bigger budget so can do more of the set pieces. Which to me is good as there are a couple of big events that I hope will be portrayed well.
In other news apparently filming for season 3 in NI has wrapped, at least I have seen pics of the cake they had at the wrap party :P
I think the remarks have been taken out of context. I think what they mean is that in the first series and less so in the second they didnt have the budget to do many of the set pieces they wanted to so replaced it with more dialog. Now they have a bigger budget so can do more of the set pieces. Which to me is good as there are a couple of big events that I hope will be portrayed well.
In other news apparently filming for season 3 in NI has wrapped, at least I have seen pics of the cake they had at the wrap party :P
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