Major explosion/bomb in Oslo
Discussion
GentleFellow said:
Asterix said:
Oh, I also agree with you - his actions are extreme to say the least but, as an example, can they be justified as he knew that writing stern emails and standing outside government buildings with a placard was never going to work?
All he's done is just take it to the Nth degree, a Gordian knot approach if you will, and just gone for the jugular.
Of course I don't condone anything he did but I have to look at the reasoning and to many, the simple reasoning is not without merit.
For a Brit living happily in a Muslim state, you are very reluctant to see immigration work the other way around.All he's done is just take it to the Nth degree, a Gordian knot approach if you will, and just gone for the jugular.
Of course I don't condone anything he did but I have to look at the reasoning and to many, the simple reasoning is not without merit.
I could, of course, start to make shouty noises about how my culture is far better and I demand that we change the legal and religious system to suit me but that would simply end in a spell in jail and then I'd be asked to leave anyway.
As for immigration - not sure where I have posted that immigration is a bad thing.
Asterix said:
GentleFellow said:
Asterix said:
Oh, I also agree with you - his actions are extreme to say the least but, as an example, can they be justified as he knew that writing stern emails and standing outside government buildings with a placard was never going to work?
All he's done is just take it to the Nth degree, a Gordian knot approach if you will, and just gone for the jugular.
Of course I don't condone anything he did but I have to look at the reasoning and to many, the simple reasoning is not without merit.
For a Brit living happily in a Muslim state, you are very reluctant to see immigration work the other way around.All he's done is just take it to the Nth degree, a Gordian knot approach if you will, and just gone for the jugular.
Of course I don't condone anything he did but I have to look at the reasoning and to many, the simple reasoning is not without merit.
I could, of course, start to make shouty noises about how my culture is far better and I demand that we change the legal and religious system to suit me but that would simply end in a spell in jail and then I'd be asked to leave anyway.
As for immigration - not sure where I have posted that immigration is a bad thing.
In this case AB did followed the only course of action he saw open to achieving what he wanted. Doesn't make what he did right but equally doesn't make him insane and to an extent I agree with his immigration/integration view.
TallbutBuxomly said:
When in Rome and all that...
Perhaps I should point out the original meaning of the saying 'When in Rome' has been completely reversed over time. The original (translated from latin) is: "If you were in Rome, live in the Roman way; if you are elsewhere, live as they (i.e. Romans) do there". The Romans lived as if they were in Rome wherever they lived because they ruled most of the known world. They considered their way of life superior to all other ways and looked down on all non-Roman locals, most of whom they enslaved.
Edited by Fantic SuperT on Friday 24th August 14:08
Adrian W said:
3 months per victim is a joke, sentence should have been 21 years each.
On the face of it yes, however 21 years is the maximum allowed, but a judge can further extend that if when his time is up, he is still considered to be a danger to society. His actions and attitude are unlikely to change, so I highly doubt he will ever see his freedom again.Fantic SuperT said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
When in Rome and all that...
Perhaps I should point out the original meaning of the saying 'When in Rome' has been completely reversed over time. The original (translated from latin) is: "If you were in Rome, live in the Roman way; if you are elsewhere, live as they (i.e. Romans) do there". The Romans lived as if they were in Rome wherever they lived because they ruled most of the known world. They considered their way of life superior to all other ways and looked down on all non-Roman locals, most of whom they enslaved.
Edited by Fantic SuperT on Friday 24th August 14:08
KrazyIvan said:
Adrian W said:
3 months per victim is a joke, sentence should have been 21 years each.
On the face of it yes, however 21 years is the maximum allowed, but a judge can further extend that if when his time is up, he is still considered to be a danger to society. His actions and attitude are unlikely to change, so I highly doubt he will ever see his freedom again.Adrian W said:
3 months per victim is a joke, sentence should have been 21 years each.
But they are such a civilized country that they have decided 21 years is the maximum sentence any one individual can be, er, sentenced to. I doubt they ever expected anybody to be bad enough to deserve more.
The tree-hugging psychology and philosophy trained student lawyers probably pushed for that 21 year limit years ago, from within their luxurious cocoon of comfortable upper class upbringing.
King Herald said:
But they are such a civilized country that they have decided 21 years is the maximum sentence any one individual can be, er, sentenced to.
It's a maximum minimum sentence.No-one in Norway can spend more than 21 years in prison without having their ongoing incarceration considered by a court. They may well not be released.
Civilised is good.
fluffnik said:
King Herald said:
But they are such a civilized country that they have decided 21 years is the maximum sentence any one individual can be, er, sentenced to.
It's a maximum minimum sentence.No-one in Norway can spend more than 21 years in prison without having their ongoing incarceration considered by a court. They may well not be released.
Civilised is good.
Hmm, it might be safer for his own well being to be kept inside.
I'm sure 21 years won't feel like that long a time for an awful lot of Norwegian parents.
Relax guys, they know exactly what the asshole did and do not intend to let him out that easily. The depth of the scar he brought on Norway is simply to deep to be healed after 21 years. It's not like 9/11 is forgotten after 11 years.
I, as someone living i Oslo and having felt the shockwave of the bomb blast about two miles away, hope they let him out amongst other prisoners. Several have already stated that they have kids and can't wait to get their hands on him. I have no doubt that he will NOT get away that easily as some are fearing. Everyone knows who he is and what he did.
Forget about his political views, the guy shot kids. He's as fundamental and as dangerous as they come. f
k HIM.
I, as someone living i Oslo and having felt the shockwave of the bomb blast about two miles away, hope they let him out amongst other prisoners. Several have already stated that they have kids and can't wait to get their hands on him. I have no doubt that he will NOT get away that easily as some are fearing. Everyone knows who he is and what he did.
Forget about his political views, the guy shot kids. He's as fundamental and as dangerous as they come. f
k HIM.XB70 said:
Adrian W said:
3 months per victim is a joke, sentence should have been 21 years each.
This 100%Anything else is applying a discount to murder.
I actually agree with the "he'll never see the light of day again" opinion but even as a theoretical minimum 10 years for 77 murders sounds utterly stupid.
Exactly what he wanted.
Next up will be an appeal, not against the conviction but for the right for him to be referred to in all court, prison and legal documents as a political prisoner.
If his cell hasn't got internet access he will be appealling for the right to have that as well.
Unless some prison guards 'accidently' hang him on a quiet New Years Eve there will be a lot more reprecussions from both Brevilks actions and today's verdict. The result of either a suspected genuine or a false flag Islamist event in Norway will led to some very worrying times for that country and possibly the whole of Europe.
I would imagine that the various interested parties have already made note of this.
Next up will be an appeal, not against the conviction but for the right for him to be referred to in all court, prison and legal documents as a political prisoner.
If his cell hasn't got internet access he will be appealling for the right to have that as well.
Unless some prison guards 'accidently' hang him on a quiet New Years Eve there will be a lot more reprecussions from both Brevilks actions and today's verdict. The result of either a suspected genuine or a false flag Islamist event in Norway will led to some very worrying times for that country and possibly the whole of Europe.
I would imagine that the various interested parties have already made note of this.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Exactly what he wanted.
Next up will be an appeal, not against the conviction but for the right for him to be referred to in all court, prison and legal documents as a political prisoner.
If his cell hasn't got internet access he will be appealling for the right to have that as well.
Unless some prison guards 'accidently' hang him on a quiet New Years Eve there will be a lot more reprecussions from both Brevilks actions and today's verdict. The result of either a suspected genuine or a false flag Islamist event in Norway will led to some very worrying times for that country and possibly the whole of Europe.
I would imagine that the various interested parties have already made note of this.
He's already stated that he will not appeal.Next up will be an appeal, not against the conviction but for the right for him to be referred to in all court, prison and legal documents as a political prisoner.
If his cell hasn't got internet access he will be appealling for the right to have that as well.
Unless some prison guards 'accidently' hang him on a quiet New Years Eve there will be a lot more reprecussions from both Brevilks actions and today's verdict. The result of either a suspected genuine or a false flag Islamist event in Norway will led to some very worrying times for that country and possibly the whole of Europe.
I would imagine that the various interested parties have already made note of this.
whoami said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Exactly what he wanted.
Next up will be an appeal, not against the conviction but for the right for him to be referred to in all court, prison and legal documents as a political prisoner.
If his cell hasn't got internet access he will be appealling for the right to have that as well.
Unless some prison guards 'accidently' hang him on a quiet New Years Eve there will be a lot more reprecussions from both Brevilks actions and today's verdict. The result of either a suspected genuine or a false flag Islamist event in Norway will led to some very worrying times for that country and possibly the whole of Europe.
I would imagine that the various interested parties have already made note of this.
He's already stated that he will not appeal.Next up will be an appeal, not against the conviction but for the right for him to be referred to in all court, prison and legal documents as a political prisoner.
If his cell hasn't got internet access he will be appealling for the right to have that as well.
Unless some prison guards 'accidently' hang him on a quiet New Years Eve there will be a lot more reprecussions from both Brevilks actions and today's verdict. The result of either a suspected genuine or a false flag Islamist event in Norway will led to some very worrying times for that country and possibly the whole of Europe.
I would imagine that the various interested parties have already made note of this.
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