Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely

[Tony427]

Common Purpose.

I've already mentioned it on the Gosport thread but this morning on the Today programme Professor Jarman was bing interviewed and tried to bring up how Common Purpose was in fact running the NHS and he was instantly shut down.

It appeared that Justin Webb could not have closed the interview any quicker if he had shot him.

Why was that I wonder?

Cheers,

Tony

[Europa1]

Johnnytheboy said:

Countdown said:

nikaiyo2 said:

More than anything I wish Radio 4 would stop producing st comedy. I don’t mind politically biased satire, if it’s funny, but Jeremy Hardy he is about as amusing as Pol Pot.

I think he’s brilliant

Well yes, you probably do.

On I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue (new series starts Monday), I think he's generally great. On The News Quiz, tediously predictable.

Mind you, there is far worse masquerading as "comedy" on Radio 4 not sheltering under the banner of political satire.

[anonymous-user]

andymadmak said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQkIEkxm7k

Fantastic.

[tangerine_sedge]

Tony427 said:

Common Purpose.

I've already mentioned it on the Gosport thread but this morning on the Today programme Professor Jarman was bing interviewed and tried to bring up how Common Purpose was in fact running the NHS and he was instantly shut down.

It appeared that Justin Webb could not have closed the interview any quicker if he had shot him.

Why was that I wonder?

Cheers,

Tony

I find Lidl the cheapest place to find tin-foil. You can make many hats from just one roll.

[Tony427]

tangerine_sedge said:

Tony427 said:

Common Purpose.

I've already mentioned it on the Gosport thread but this morning on the Today programme Professor Jarman was bing interviewed and tried to bring up how Common Purpose was in fact running the NHS and he was instantly shut down.

It appeared that Justin Webb could not have closed the interview any quicker if he had shot him.

Why was that I wonder?

Cheers,

Tony

I find Lidl the cheapest place to find tin-foil. You can make many hats from just one roll.

So nice of you to disparage Professor Jarman. I suggest you research him and his studies into public health and NHS failings as requested ny governments of various hues.

He is an expert on the NHS and Public Health. You are not.

Anf yet you know better.

[Digga]

Tony427 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

Tony427 said:

Common Purpose.

I've already mentioned it on the Gosport thread but this morning on the Today programme Professor Jarman was bing interviewed and tried to bring up how Common Purpose was in fact running the NHS and he was instantly shut down.

It appeared that Justin Webb could not have closed the interview any quicker if he had shot him.

Why was that I wonder?

Cheers,

Tony

I find Lidl the cheapest place to find tin-foil. You can make many hats from just one roll.

So nice of you to disparage Professor Jarman. I suggest you research him and his studies into public health and NHS failings as requested ny governments of various hues.

He is an expert on the NHS and Public Health. You are not.

Anf yet you know better.

Prof Jarman's Twitter feed makes for extremely interesting reading on a number of matters relating to the NHS.

https://twitter.com/jarmann?lang=en

[chris watton]

Digga said:

Tony427 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

Tony427 said:

Common Purpose.

I've already mentioned it on the Gosport thread but this morning on the Today programme Professor Jarman was bing interviewed and tried to bring up how Common Purpose was in fact running the NHS and he was instantly shut down.

It appeared that Justin Webb could not have closed the interview any quicker if he had shot him.

Why was that I wonder?

Cheers,

Tony

I find Lidl the cheapest place to find tin-foil. You can make many hats from just one roll.

So nice of you to disparage Professor Jarman. I suggest you research him and his studies into public health and NHS failings as requested ny governments of various hues.

He is an expert on the NHS and Public Health. You are not.

Anf yet you know better.

Prof Jarman's Twitter feed makes for extremely interesting reading on a number of matters relating to the NHS.

https://twitter.com/jarmann?lang=en

OT slightly, as I know little about what 'Common Purpose' is. However, I note yet again the term 'Tin Foil hat' used to belittle another poster. This term was used in the run up to the in/out UK EU vote, when some asked about the prospect of an EU army.

I assume this new very restrictive internet bill that's going through EU parliament right now will be treated the same. When people show concern about the repercussions of this, if it ever passes, I am sure the term 'Tin Foil Hat' will yet again be used. Until one day, we will only have one version of news and opinion. When all is stripped to the bone, this is the aim, to shut down, even demonise or make unlawful, one side of the argument.

Sound's very tin foil hat-ish, but then, so was the prospect of an EU army just a little over 24 months ago, as people who asked about this were laughed at by the pro-EU sycophants.

[Europa1]

Tony427 said:

So nice of you to disparage Professor Jarman. I suggest you research him and his studies into public health and NHS failings as requested ny governments of various hues.

He is an expert on the NHS and Public Health. You are not.

Anf yet you know better.

I've probably got the wrong end of the stick, but I read the tin foil hat comment as being directed against your Common Purpose comment, not Professor Jarman.

[Tony427]

Europa1 said:

Tony427 said:

So nice of you to disparage Professor Jarman. I suggest you research him and his studies into public health and NHS failings as requested ny governments of various hues.

He is an expert on the NHS and Public Health. You are not.

Anf yet you know better.

I've probably got the wrong end of the stick, but I read the tin foil hat comment as being directed against your Common Purpose comment, not Professor Jarman.

It was Professor Jarman who started to comment that there was a group of people, management consultant types he termed them, now running the NHS from within the NHS but independent from it called Common Purpose. He got no further than saying "Common Purpose" than the interview was immediately terminated, very abruptly.

The very least a competent interviewer would do, unless he was acting deliberately, would be to ask a Professor talking about NHS malign influences within the NHS to explain what he meant. Instead discussion was shut down.

Sound familiar.

I suggest you listen to it on the Iplayer.

Cheers,

Tony

[Johnnytheboy]

Tony427 said:

It was Professor Jarman who started to comment that there was a group of people, management consultant types he termed them, now running the NHS from within the NHS but independent from it called Common Purpose. He got no further than saying "Common Purpose" than the interview was immediately terminated, very abruptly.

The very least a competent interviewer would do, unless he was acting deliberately, would be to ask a Professor talking about NHS malign influences within the NHS to explain what he meant. Instead discussion was shut down.

Sound familiar.

I suggest you listen to it on the Iplayer.

Cheers,

Tony

I think the BBC have big non-no topics that they have even perhaps been legally advised not to allow discussion on. Maybe CP is just such a topic?

I recall recently when there was the furore about the woman with Anglo-Iranian dual nationality being arrested for spying in Iran when she'd been working for BBC World Service, and Boris Johnson made some rather unhelpful remarks suggesting that perhaps there was some truth in the spying allegations.
Her case was discussed on R4's Any Answers, and a contributor got about half way through a sentence saying more or less "maybe he knows something we don't? Maybe the Iranians have some grounds to arrest her." At which point the presenter didn't just interrupt her, she pretty much shouted over any attempt by her to even complete a sentence, then cut her off.

It seemed really weird at the time - it was just a caller to a radio phone-in - that the presenter was so determined to prevent something not entirely implausible being said.

[andymadmak]

Tony427 said:

It was Professor Jarman who started to comment that there was a group of people, management consultant types he termed them, now running the NHS from within the NHS but independent from it called Common Purpose. He got no further than saying "Common Purpose" than the interview was immediately terminated, very abruptly.

The very least a competent interviewer would do, unless he was acting deliberately, would be to ask a Professor talking about NHS malign influences within the NHS to explain what he meant. Instead discussion was shut down.

Sound familiar.

I suggest you listen to it on the Iplayer.

Cheers,

Tony

I heard it live this morning. It's hard to say whether or not the interview was coming to an end at that point anyway, and thus whether the mention of CP at the very end was merely coincidental. What did strike me was the change in tone from the Professor towards the end. He started out quite firm and relaxed on the NHS questions , but towards the end he actually started to sound nervous and (dare one say it) a bit scared. I think at one point he even said "I probably shouldn't be saying this but".... and then goes on, after much nervous dickering to name CP.

Perhaps it is just my imagination, but I really did notice it in the car this morning

[anonymous-user]

What’s common purpose?

Googling it suggests a company that runs leadership development programmes?

[motco]

andymadmak said:

Tony427 said:

It was Professor Jarman who started to comment that there was a group of people, management consultant types he termed them, now running the NHS from within the NHS but independent from it called Common Purpose. He got no further than saying "Common Purpose" than the interview was immediately terminated, very abruptly.

The very least a competent interviewer would do, unless he was acting deliberately, would be to ask a Professor talking about NHS malign influences within the NHS to explain what he meant. Instead discussion was shut down.

Sound familiar.

I suggest you listen to it on the Iplayer.

Cheers,

Tony

I heard it live this morning. It's hard to say whether or not the interview was coming to an end at that point anyway, and thus whether the mention of CP at the very end was merely coincidental. What did strike me was the change in tone from the Professor towards the end. He started out quite firm and relaxed on the NHS questions , but towards the end he actually started to sound nervous and (dare one say it) a bit scared. I think at one point he even said "I probably shouldn't be saying this but".... and then goes on, after much nervous dickering to name CP.

Perhaps it is just my imagination, but I really did notice it in the car this morning

iPlayer from 1:32:00 until 1:42:00 covers it

[PRTVR]

El stovey said:

PRTVR said:

A good example of the problem in two posts, the refusal to consider an alternative view coupled with group thinking and the echo chamber, that is the BBC , along with name calling if you question their view.
Thank you gents for providing such perfect examples.

So a thread full of people complaining about the bbc being an echo chamber run by groupthink has itself become an echo chamber run by groupthink.

Or are you saying people complaining about this thread (which is complaining about the bbc being an echo chamber) itself being an echo chamber are themselves actually in an echo chamber?

It matters not things written here, it matters how the very influential BBC conduct themselves,
I comment on this thread due to my observations and correspondence with the BBC,if other people who I do not know have similar experiences and wish to comment on it how can that be described as group thinking ?

[Johnnytheboy]

motco said:

andymadmak said:

Tony427 said:

It was Professor Jarman who started to comment that there was a group of people, management consultant types he termed them, now running the NHS from within the NHS but independent from it called Common Purpose. He got no further than saying "Common Purpose" than the interview was immediately terminated, very abruptly.

The very least a competent interviewer would do, unless he was acting deliberately, would be to ask a Professor talking about NHS malign influences within the NHS to explain what he meant. Instead discussion was shut down.

Sound familiar.

I suggest you listen to it on the Iplayer.

Cheers,

Tony

I heard it live this morning. It's hard to say whether or not the interview was coming to an end at that point anyway, and thus whether the mention of CP at the very end was merely coincidental. What did strike me was the change in tone from the Professor towards the end. He started out quite firm and relaxed on the NHS questions , but towards the end he actually started to sound nervous and (dare one say it) a bit scared. I think at one point he even said "I probably shouldn't be saying this but".... and then goes on, after much nervous dickering to name CP.

Perhaps it is just my imagination, but I really did notice it in the car this morning

iPlayer from 1:32:00 until 1:42:00 covers it

He doesn't seem to want to say it, but I don't think Justin Webb particularly shuts him down over it.

[motco]

Johnnytheboy said:

He doesn't seem to want to say it, but I don't think Justin Webb particularly shuts him down over it.

That was my feeling too. The interviewers don't seem to really listen to the replies anyway, as they're too occupied formulating the next question. Sometimes an interviewee will give a really odd-ball answer and it throws the interview off the rails because it's outside the agreed framework of the subject. The questions are designed to elicit answers favourable to the BBC agenda it appears.

[Halb]

El stovey said:

So a thread full of people complaining about the bbc being an echo chamber run by groupthink has itself become an echo chamber run by groupthink.

Or are you saying people complaining about this thread (which is complaining about the bbc being an echo chamber) itself being an echo chamber are themselves actually in an echo chamber?

do you 'work' in the house of lords?
https://inews.co.uk/video/brexit-bill-lords/

[andymadmak]

Another day, another "accidental" insult.

07.41hrs this morning, BBC reporter refers to the Health Secretary as Jeremy *unt. (Yes the C word)

No doubt it will be passed off as a slip of the tongue

[TTwiggy]

Knock yourself out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgBxQD5oLek

[andymadmak]

TTwiggy said:

Knock yourself out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgBxQD5oLek

Amazing isn't it? All these highly paid TV broadcasters unable to distinguish between an H and a C. One might be forgiven for thinking it was deliberate..

A long time ago I used to know a (now sadly deceased) BBC local radio presenter. She said that it was not uncommon for there to be a sort of competition to see who would dare to be first to get a particular controversial phrase or word into a bulletin. Her favourite was the phrase "Phil the Greek" - a slightly off colour term that was used to describe HRH Duke of Edinburgh. Apparently the person that won that particular competition did so by doing a piece about why the Queen and Phillip had never visited Greece and concluding the piece with "if the Queen does decide to visit Athens then it would fill (sic) the Greek hearts with happiness"

I wonder if Jeremy *unt is a dare?