Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely

[AstonZagato]

Gadgetmac said:

Personally I think the BBC are great value for money with exceptional news output amongst other things.

I'd not be against a raising of the TV licence fee.

Are you Mrs Cook of Stevenage?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lzS8yW8INA

[biggbn]

Gadgetmac said:

Personally I think the BBC are great value for money with exceptional news output amongst other things.

I'd not be against a raising of the TV licence fee.

I think the BBC is an excellent media outlet. If you want to see real bias, go to America, Russia or any of the other usual suspects. Sure the beeb isn't perfect but it's bloody good

[Countdown]

jsf said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Not really. I mostly avoid the BBC myself because of it's appalling bias, though it's been quite entertaining since about 10pm Thursday. I would consider that a tiff on the left.

The BBC should be making programmes that a commercial broadcaster cant make under a commercially viable model, everything else should be scrapped. Can you imagine the fantastic in depth science and cultural programming that would produce as a result, it would be a great asset to schools in particular.

Can you imagine how the frothers would react to the Beeb broadcasting programmes about Climate Change or any culture apart from the "British" one? We'd have howls of "PC gone mad!" and "Scrap the Licence Fee"

So pretty much a continuation of this thread.......

[loafer123]

biggbn said:

Gadgetmac said:

Personally I think the BBC are great value for money with exceptional news output amongst other things.

I'd not be against a raising of the TV licence fee.

I think the BBC is an excellent media outlet. If you want to see real bias, go to America, Russia or any of the other usual suspects. Sure the beeb isn't perfect but it's bloody good

I agree, but equally they have to recognise their faults because it means people won’t listen and interviewees will turn them down.

Listening to Today, it is painful that politicians aren’t given more than 5 seconds to answer before being interrupted. This helps no one of any political persuasion.

[Smiler.]

"Frothers"

lol

[biggbn]

loafer123 said:

biggbn said:

Gadgetmac said:

Personally I think the BBC are great value for money with exceptional news output amongst other things.

I'd not be against a raising of the TV licence fee.

I think the BBC is an excellent media outlet. If you want to see real bias, go to America, Russia or any of the other usual suspects. Sure the beeb isn't perfect but it's bloody good

I agree, but equally they have to recognise their faults because it means people won’t listen and interviewees will turn them down.

Listening to Today, it is painful that politicians aren’t given more than 5 seconds to answer before being interrupted. This helps no one of any political persuasion.

That's not bias, it's ineptitude. I could not stand the interviews on the morning show, john humphries became, like paxman, a poor caricature of himself. Rude, arrogant...almost as bad as the politicos he was 'interviewing'. Neil had the right balance of brutishness and intellect.

[Johnnytheboy]

loafer123 said:

Listening to Today, it is painful that politicians aren’t given more than 5 seconds to answer before being interrupted. This helps no one of any political persuasion.

Listen to that TUC guy I mentioned from yesterday AM.

That's how they treat people they like....

[anonymous-user]

biggbn said:

I think the BBC is an excellent media outlet. If you want to see real bias, go to America, Russia or any of the other usual suspects. Sure the beeb isn't perfect but it's bloody good

Yep.

Spend a couple of hours in front of RT or Fox News for a view into institutional bias.

The down side of that as a comparator is that it is largely the type of horsest many of the denizens of NPE would lap up

[psi310398]

Brooking10 said:

Yep.

Spend a couple of hours in front of RT or Fox News for a view into institutional bias.

The down side of that as a comparator is that it is largely the type of horsest many of the denizens of NPE would lap up

But I don't recall a compulsory subscription to either being levied under pain of a trip to mags as a price to pay for watching what I do want to watch.

[Dont like rolls]

Brooking10 said:

Yep.

Spend a couple of hours in front of RT or Fox News for a view into institutional bias.

The down side of that as a comparator is that it is largely the type of horsest many of the denizens of NPE would lap up

And the same can be said for "the other side". It is just the BBC however that tax you to provide their output, the others give you a choice.

[anonymous-user]

psi310398 said:

But I don't recall a compulsory subscription to either being levied under pain of a trip to mags as a price to pay for watching what I do want to watch.

It’s pennies

Seriously get over it.

If you don’t like the editorial content as you perceive then don’t watch it and use one of the countless other means there is of watching content these days that doesn’t require paying for the licence.

[psi310398]

Brooking10 said:

It’s pennies

Seriously get over it.

If you don’t like the editorial content as you perceive then don’t watch it and use one of the countless other means there is of watching content these days that doesn’t require paying for the licence.

A bit cavalier about other people's money, no? It might be pennies but they are my pennies and they are being extracted from me and being put to a use I really don't see the need for, and way beyond any sensible definition of public service. How much of the fee is directed to 'virtuous' or 'educational' stuff that would otherwise not be made? And what proportion is used up on making dreck that ITV could make? Probably in a ratio of 5:95.

I'm perfectly entitled to press for the licence fee to be abolished - it is not an honest way of securing public service broadcasting (which can and should be supported) and it has some seriously detrimental side effects. It is a logrolling racket to featherbed luvvies and protect them from the chill world of competition

[Zirconia]

Just stick it on household tax. Everyone pays and no one gets the bad men knocking on your door.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Zirconia said:

Just stick it on household tax. Everyone pays and no one gets the bad men knocking on your door.

And council tax rises are always uncontroversial.

[Pesty]

Zirconia said:

Just stick it on household tax. Everyone pays and no one gets the bad men knocking on your door.

Just abolish it at make it subscription

Everybody is happy

Those that want it can pay to watch those that don’t want to don’t have to

But that’s not communist enough for those that want me to pay for them

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Pesty said:

Just abolish it at make it subscription

Everybody is happy

Those that want it can pay to watch those that don’t want to don’t have to

But that’s not communist enough for those that want me to pay for them

If it was an outright communist scheme to bring informative and culturally important content to the masses it would be more excusable as a well intentioned folly.

It seems like the best argument for the BBC is that it delivers high brow content to the middle class by taxing the proles for watching Jeremy Kyle.

https://youtu.be/zvNw0P5ZMbA

[anonymous-user]

psi310398 said:

A bit cavalier about other people's money, no? It might be pennies but they are my pennies and they are being extracted from me and being put to a use I really don't see the need for, and way beyond any sensible definition of public service. How much of the fee is directed to 'virtuous' or 'educational' stuff that would otherwise not be made? And what proportion is used up on making dreck that ITV could make? Probably in a ratio of 5:95.

I'm perfectly entitled to press for the licence fee to be abolished - it is not an honest way of securing public service broadcasting (which can and should be supported) and it has some seriously detrimental side effects. It is a logrolling racket to featherbed luvvies and protect them from the chill world of competition

I couldn’t give two fks about other people’s money as regards the licence fee. Don’t play the faux altruism card. It’s a very weak one. I don’t like where all my tax money goes but go it does.

If it’s that awful then don’t consume any of the content and don’t pay the fee, it’s perfectly achievable and all through legal means.

The issue with the BBC, on here at least, seems to be linked exclusively to news and CA content. It’s as if people think it might have some kind of effect. Results of recent times would seem to suggest to the contrary !

[psi310398]

Brooking10 said:

I couldn’t give two fks about other people’s money as regards the licence fee. Don’t play the faux altruism card. It’s a very weak one. I don’t like where all my tax money goes but go it does.

If it’s that awful then don’t consume any of the content and don’t pay the fee, it’s perfectly achievable and all through legal means.

The issue with the BBC, on here at least, seems to be linked exclusively to news and CA content. It’s as if people think it might have some kind of effect. Results of recent times would seem to suggest to the contrary !

Where’s the altruism? I’m objecting to my money being removed from me under false pretences in some scheme, to borrow a phrase, of outdoor relief for the chattering classes.

[anonymous-user]

psi310398 said:

Where’s the altruism? I’m objecting to my money being removed from me under false pretences in some scheme, to borrow a phrase, of outdoor relief for the chattering classes.

I may have misinterpreted the “cavalier attitude to others’ money” admittedly.

Seriously though if it is that much of an issue for you then as I say don’t consume any of the content and go down the perfectly legal routes of not needing to pay for the licence.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 15th December 23:08

[psi310398]

Brooking10 said:

I may have misinterpreted the “cavalier attitude to others’ money” admittedly.

Seriously though if it is that much of an issue for you then as I say don’t consume any of the content and go some the perfectly legal routes of not needing to pay for the licence.

That is certainly one option. The other, rather than being forced out of using other services of more value to me, is to lobby the government to remove the licence fee and/or see the BBC broken up and the tiny public service component funded by general taxation.