Private Policeforces!
Discussion
johnfm said:
ShayneJ said:
Crafty_ said:
But they already do, specials are used for routine enquiries, they aren't even paid.
Civvies are already working in police forces, the only thing changing here is their employer.
They will not be involved in policing duties, read the article:
err. so the bold bits dont count then?Civvies are already working in police forces, the only thing changing here is their employer.
They will not be involved in policing duties, read the article:
TFA said:
The breathtaking list of policing activities up for grabs includes investigating crimes, detaining suspects, developing cases, responding to and investigating incidents, supporting victims and witnesses, managing high-risk individuals, patrolling neighbourhoods, managing intelligence, managing engagement with the public, as well as more traditional back-office functions, such as managing forensics, providing legal services, managing the vehicle fleet, finance and human resources.
Not restoring/keeping public order, nicking criminals etc.A 26-page "commercial in confidence" contract note seen by the Guardian has been sent to potential bidders to run all services that "can be legally delegated to the private sector". They do not include those that involve the power of arrest and the other duties of a sworn constable.
Just more Guardian s
t stirring to pander to the CIF brigade.What it means is that the police will lose control. It is worse than a private police force. It is PFI.
We are told time and again about 20% cuts but this does not take into account PFI arrangements that have been forced on forces. These are contracted and police forces did not expect such a massive cut in income. Who did? So they will still be paying the majority of these PFI costs without a 20% cut which means that there will be even greater cuts to patroling officers.
The investigating crimes is the interesting one. This is what CID do. Heaven knows what that means.
This government has changed the police radically, all without notification and without allowing the people to vote on it. It is an experiment, one that we must all hope will be successful despite the fact that it has never been tried before.
What could go wrong, eh?
ShayneJ said:
Don't worry the peasant sheeple will just grumble a bit then
do as their told as always.
Just what is it going to take for the people to "remove" the entire
self serving arrogant political class and rebuild this country
as a true democracy and tell the Banks where to stick their fiat
debt slave currency whilst their at it.
Why are you upset with the banks? The politicians I can understand, but the banks? What have they done to you that creates problems? do as their told as always.
Just what is it going to take for the people to "remove" the entire
self serving arrogant political class and rebuild this country
as a true democracy and tell the Banks where to stick their fiat
debt slave currency whilst their at it.
ShayneJ said:
Crafty_ said:
But they already do, specials are used for routine enquiries, they aren't even paid.
Civvies are already working in police forces, the only thing changing here is their employer.
They will not be involved in policing duties, read the article:
err. so the bold bits dont count then?Civvies are already working in police forces, the only thing changing here is their employer.
They will not be involved in policing duties, read the article:
TFA said:
The breathtaking list of policing activities up for grabs includes investigating crimes, detaining suspects, developing cases, responding to and investigating incidents, supporting victims and witnesses, managing high-risk individuals, patrolling neighbourhoods, managing intelligence, managing engagement with the public, as well as more traditional back-office functions, such as managing forensics, providing legal services, managing the vehicle fleet, finance and human resources.
Not restoring/keeping public order, nicking criminals etc.'responding to and investigating incidents' - PCSOs activity again
'managing engagement with the public' - all the fluffy hand holding 'community enegagement ' stuff that really is of no consequence, like PCSOs going to parish council meetings to make placatory noises about Dog poo , litter and low level ASB
davebeast said:
Look what happened when the railways got privatised. It'll be downhill from here on in gentlemen.
the freight side is doing very well - and why's that becasue the civil service keep their noses out , the passenger railway is hampered by the dead hand of whitehall, if DfT kept out and left intervention by government to local authorities then it would be rather more healthy - ... ShayneJ said:
vonuber said:
But this is Pistonheads. The private sector is the right thing to do everytime.
Not in this case.Law enforcement is not and never should be in the hands of corporate interests.
Surely that's law enforcement by the private sector?
Pints said:
ShayneJ said:
vonuber said:
But this is Pistonheads. The private sector is the right thing to do everytime.
Not in this case.Law enforcement is not and never should be in the hands of corporate interests.
Surely that's law enforcement by the private sector?
make the prosecution.
Some Gump said:
ShayneJ said:
Don't worry the peasant sheeple will just grumble a bit then
do as their told as always.
Just what is it going to take for the people to "remove" the entire
self serving arrogant political class and rebuild this country
as a true democracy and tell the Banks where to stick their fiat
debt slave currency whilst their at it.
Why are you upset with the banks? The politicians I can understand, but the banks? What have they done to you that creates problems? do as their told as always.
Just what is it going to take for the people to "remove" the entire
self serving arrogant political class and rebuild this country
as a true democracy and tell the Banks where to stick their fiat
debt slave currency whilst their at it.
Which Rothschild was it that said something like " give me control of a states money and i care
not who make its laws " what the ruling few want happens regardless of who happens to
be the PM / President or whatever and the people are no more than a resource to be exploited.
Elroy Blue said:
As a front line Officer, I've been warning on here if Cameron's mission to destroy the Police. I've been criticised for it. I warned of G4 taking over. The front line is being decimated. You have been warned.
My respects and sympathy's sir i would not want to be a police officer in the current set up.This is what happens when stupid people meet bent people.
Private contracting of security beyond the most elementary clerical of tasks has never in the history of mankind worked.
You are switching a service from working for the people to working for money.
What is even more staggering is that for the last decade alone we have living examples of private contracting within the military and just how well that has worked.
And as for this: 'The programme has the potential to become the main vehicle for outsourcing police services in England and Wales. It has been pioneered by the West Midlands chief constable, Chris Sims, and Mark Rowley, who has just moved to the Metropolitan police from the post of Surrey chief constable. The pair lead on these matters for the Association of Chief Police Officers.'
Well my money is on where these two will end up after taking early retirement on a fattened govt pension.
Private contracting of security beyond the most elementary clerical of tasks has never in the history of mankind worked.
You are switching a service from working for the people to working for money.
What is even more staggering is that for the last decade alone we have living examples of private contracting within the military and just how well that has worked.
And as for this: 'The programme has the potential to become the main vehicle for outsourcing police services in England and Wales. It has been pioneered by the West Midlands chief constable, Chris Sims, and Mark Rowley, who has just moved to the Metropolitan police from the post of Surrey chief constable. The pair lead on these matters for the Association of Chief Police Officers.'
Well my money is on where these two will end up after taking early retirement on a fattened govt pension.
davebeast said:
Look what happened when the railways got privatised. It'll be downhill from here on in gentlemen.
Round my way, we were still using 1960s slam door trains (when the train arrived at all!) until around 2002. In the last decade, in my experience as a customer, the railways have improved beyond recognition, new rolling stock, improved punctuality and modernised stations.That didn't happen BECAUSE of privatisation. The privatisation happened because the government were not willing to spend directly on the replacement of old stock and infrastructure. They THOUGHT it would be more cost effective to privatise the system for a song and then expect private enterprise to make the necessary outlay.
In the end, the massive amount of government subsidisation of "privatised" rail is the main source of funding for a lot of the stock and infrastructure renewal. Indeed, the infrastructure has effectively been renationalised.
So, I don't think that the privatisation in itself of the railway system has brought about much benefit for the taxpayer. It still costs us all as taxpayers a hell of a lot of money.
In the end, the massive amount of government subsidisation of "privatised" rail is the main source of funding for a lot of the stock and infrastructure renewal. Indeed, the infrastructure has effectively been renationalised.
So, I don't think that the privatisation in itself of the railway system has brought about much benefit for the taxpayer. It still costs us all as taxpayers a hell of a lot of money.
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Armed police replaced by people with clipboards. Our nuclear stockpile is in safe hands.
Armed police replaced by people with clipboards. Our nuclear stockpile is in safe hands.
Elroy Blue said:
As a front line Officer, I've been warning on here if Cameron's mission to destroy the Police. I've been criticised for it. I warned of G4 taking over. The front line is being decimated. You have been warned.
Civilianisation of Scenes of Crime, prisoner transport, administration, front desk etc duties started about 20 years ago. But this latest expansion of the idea seems to include the follow up investigations; so in theory, apart fropm the actual arresting bit, the whole CID could be replaced by 'interviewers, investigators, evidence gatherers, statement takers and liaison officers' - none of which require the power of a constable.
Thin end of the wedge stuff.
Thats the way I think it'll go. I think Police Officers will simply be arresting teams and turning out to jobs, devaluing the role and using only their warranted powers. It'll then be passed on, in a Met Police style handover to an investigating team who is civilianised, has a private pension scheme, adheres to working time directive, performance related etc. Much like the CPS making the decisions at court level, it'll be down to money whether something actually gets investigated or not, not whether its a crime or not.
I cant work out whether it would improve efficiency or not.
I cant work out whether it would improve efficiency or not.
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