Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
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Exige77 said:
Thankyou4calling said:
Can I have a quick summary of what Wikileaks put out that was
1. An unequivocal fact
2. Not available elsewhere
3. Damaging to an individual or country
Thanks
They have pics of the drone !! 1. An unequivocal fact
2. Not available elsewhere
3. Damaging to an individual or country
Thanks
Well to be fair we didn’t know about America’s secret drone strikes in Yemen until Wikileaks released documents about it. Up until then the official line was that it was Yemeni forces conducting the bombing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middlee...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/03/wiki...
its a fairly open book with regards to when and where the US has dropped it bombs and just how many civilians have perished. The point is they or the world don't seem too upset by their actions so the odd drone strike really isn't going to cause them a lot of grief it is the way of the modern world . These days people forget very quickly
BlackLabel said:
Exige77 said:
Thankyou4calling said:
Can I have a quick summary of what Wikileaks put out that was
1. An unequivocal fact
2. Not available elsewhere
3. Damaging to an individual or country
Thanks
They have pics of the drone !! 1. An unequivocal fact
2. Not available elsewhere
3. Damaging to an individual or country
Thanks
Well to be fair we didn’t know about America’s secret drone strikes in Yemen until Wikileaks released documents about it. Up until then the official line was that it was Yemeni forces conducting the bombing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middlee...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/03/wiki...
How he ended up at the embassy in the first place.
Julian Assange is the architect of his own downfall. Bullish and grandiose yet plagued by paranoia, the WikiLeaks boss is his own worst enemy, writes a former employee
Julian Assange is the architect of his own downfall. Bullish and grandiose yet plagued by paranoia, the WikiLeaks boss is his own worst enemy, writes a former employee
article said:
Having exhausted the UK legal process up to the Supreme Court and lost, he decided to dodge the Swedish justice system and rely upon the mercy of Ecuador whose then president, Rafael Correa, he had interviewed for his RT (Russia Today) television show.
Correa, apparently half-joking, suggested Assange should claim asylum in the country’s capital, Quito. Like an acquaintance to whom you’ve said, “You must come round for dinner some time”, who shows up on your doorstep a week later, Assange appeared at the embassy.
Correa, apparently half-joking, suggested Assange should claim asylum in the country’s capital, Quito. Like an acquaintance to whom you’ve said, “You must come round for dinner some time”, who shows up on your doorstep a week later, Assange appeared at the embassy.
La Liga said:
Finlanda said:
I have said it doesn't add up, and it seems very odd when you consider all the known the facts, even without considering the now deleted tweets and social media posting by the victims.
The Swedish justice system is a joke at best, and downright a disaster when it comes to rape. So why all the effort put on this particular case?
Victims don’t necessary behave how we’d objectively and rationally suspect. It’s easy to connect information to draw the conclusions we want to see. The Swedish justice system is a joke at best, and downright a disaster when it comes to rape. So why all the effort put on this particular case?
Not too many people have focused on the ECHR aspect which also seemingly binds Sweden. Or the Swedish judiciary who have apparently stepped in the way. Or been equally critical when it comes to speculating as to why three conspiring countries weren’t able to get the embassy to eject him earlier, prior to one allegation expiring and the EAW being withdrawn.
I don’t think it’s so outrageous to think he has actually committed a crime in relation to the US. Unless the indictment mentioned earlier is more fraud etc.
Once the process was started, those tweets were deleted.
The ECHR is binding for Sweden as well, that didn't stop the Swedish government from assisting CIA with the rendition programme.
Edited by Finlandia on Tuesday 16th April 07:57
There are obviously other possibilities why the possible Tweets were deleted. Not sure it adds too much weight to anything.
The ECHR didn’t stop our involvement in assisting the CIA, either, yet we’re to believe that the ECHR is going to stop us from sending him to the US, yet it’s not going to be an issue for Sweden.
Not very consistent.
The ECHR didn’t stop our involvement in assisting the CIA, either, yet we’re to believe that the ECHR is going to stop us from sending him to the US, yet it’s not going to be an issue for Sweden.
Not very consistent.
La Liga said:
There are obviously other possibilities why the possible Tweets were deleted. Not sure it adds too much weight to anything.
The ECHR didn’t stop our involvement in assisting the CIA, either, yet we’re to believe that the ECHR is going to stop us from sending him to the US, yet it’s not going to be an issue for Sweden.
Not very consistent.
There are always other possibilities, yet, adding up all the improbabilities in this case does make you wonder.The ECHR didn’t stop our involvement in assisting the CIA, either, yet we’re to believe that the ECHR is going to stop us from sending him to the US, yet it’s not going to be an issue for Sweden.
Not very consistent.
CIA and the US receiving help from an allied is not as shocking as it is when a self appointed humanitarian superpower and long term neutral country does the same, and the s
tstorm that became after it was leaked was of rather big proportion.Ultimately Assange has the same legal avenues available to him in Sweden as he does in the UK, where he could have the ECHR make a judgement.
Given that, I fail to see why people think it would be easier for Sweden to send him to the US than the UK. We're not talking about extraordinary rendition with him.
The whole foundation of the conspiracy seems to hinge on that flawed aspect.
Given that, I fail to see why people think it would be easier for Sweden to send him to the US than the UK. We're not talking about extraordinary rendition with him.
The whole foundation of the conspiracy seems to hinge on that flawed aspect.
La Liga said:
Ultimately Assange has the same legal avenues available to him in Sweden as he does in the UK, where he could have the ECHR make a judgement.
Given that, I fail to see why people think it would be easier for Sweden to send him to the US than the UK. We're not talking about extraordinary rendition with him.
The whole foundation of the conspiracy seems to hinge on that flawed aspect.
Which country would you suspect more if someone suddenly was to disappear, a country that has a record of going to illegal wars and other shady secrets, or a country as pure as snow?Given that, I fail to see why people think it would be easier for Sweden to send him to the US than the UK. We're not talking about extraordinary rendition with him.
The whole foundation of the conspiracy seems to hinge on that flawed aspect.
Easier and much less risk of a backfire to have him disappear in Sweden, after all Sweden can't have done anything wrong, look at how humane and openminded the place is.
La Liga said:
There are obviously other possibilities why the possible Tweets were deleted.
Can you give us some examples?(In other news: social media postings have caused many cases of alleged sexual assault to be dropped... sometimes only at the last minute, after police/prosecutors get in front of a judge.)
It looks like American prosecutors are pressing for Chelsea Manning’s testimony in order to bolster their case against Assange. She’s refusing so far so they’ll carry on keeping her locked up.
Assange may be a grade A but there’s something that really stinks about this whole thing.
“A federal appeals court on Monday denied a request by the former US army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to be released from jail on bail, and upheld a lower court’s decision to hold Manning in civil contempt for refusing to testify before a grand jury.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/ch...
Assange may be a grade A
but there’s something that really stinks about this whole thing.“A federal appeals court on Monday denied a request by the former US army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to be released from jail on bail, and upheld a lower court’s decision to hold Manning in civil contempt for refusing to testify before a grand jury.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/ch...
BlackLabel said:
It looks like American prosecutors are pressing for Chelsea Manning’s testimony in order to bolster their case against Assange. She’s refusing so far so they’ll carry on keeping her locked up.
Assange may be a grade A but there’s something that really stinks about this whole thing.
“A federal appeals court on Monday denied a request by the former US army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to be released from jail on bail, and upheld a lower court’s decision to hold Manning in civil contempt for refusing to testify before a grand jury.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/ch...
Can't she just "do a Hillary" and answer most of the questions with "I don't recall"? Assange may be a grade A
but there’s something that really stinks about this whole thing.“A federal appeals court on Monday denied a request by the former US army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to be released from jail on bail, and upheld a lower court’s decision to hold Manning in civil contempt for refusing to testify before a grand jury.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/ch...
Escapegoat said:
La Liga said:
There are obviously other possibilities why the possible Tweets were deleted.
Can you give us some examples?(In other news: social media postings have caused many cases of alleged sexual assault to be dropped... sometimes only at the last minute, after police/prosecutors get in front of a judge.)
As I say, potential reasons other than ones people choose to interpret to suit their flawed conspiracy narrative.
amusingduck said:
BlackLabel said:
It looks like American prosecutors are pressing for Chelsea Manning’s testimony in order to bolster their case against Assange. She’s refusing so far so they’ll carry on keeping her locked up.
Assange may be a grade A but there’s something that really stinks about this whole thing.
“A federal appeals court on Monday denied a request by the former US army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to be released from jail on bail, and upheld a lower court’s decision to hold Manning in civil contempt for refusing to testify before a grand jury.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/ch...
Can't she just "do a Hillary" and answer most of the questions with "I don't recall"? Assange may be a grade A
but there’s something that really stinks about this whole thing.“A federal appeals court on Monday denied a request by the former US army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to be released from jail on bail, and upheld a lower court’s decision to hold Manning in civil contempt for refusing to testify before a grand jury.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/ch...
Byker28i said:
amusingduck said:
BlackLabel said:
It looks like American prosecutors are pressing for Chelsea Manning’s testimony in order to bolster their case against Assange. She’s refusing so far so they’ll carry on keeping her locked up.
Assange may be a grade A but there’s something that really stinks about this whole thing.
“A federal appeals court on Monday denied a request by the former US army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to be released from jail on bail, and upheld a lower court’s decision to hold Manning in civil contempt for refusing to testify before a grand jury.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/ch...
Can't she just "do a Hillary" and answer most of the questions with "I don't recall"? Assange may be a grade A
but there’s something that really stinks about this whole thing.“A federal appeals court on Monday denied a request by the former US army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to be released from jail on bail, and upheld a lower court’s decision to hold Manning in civil contempt for refusing to testify before a grand jury.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/ch...
kev1974 said:
Where is Jules now? It's been 12 days since he was carted out of the embassy and subsequently found guilty of breaching his bail conditions. I take it he's enjoying Her Majesty's Pleasure somewhere, still at our cost.
I think that's a safe bet given what he did last time he was bailed. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff