Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
Discussion
kev1974 said:
Where is Jules now? It's been 12 days since he was carted out of the embassy and subsequently found guilty of breaching his bail conditions. I take it he's enjoying Her Majesty's Pleasure somewhere, still at our cost.
I think that's a safe bet given what he did last time he was bailed. La Liga said:
Perhaps the victims knew he was high-profile
One would think so, when the tweets were of words like, "how cool is this, sitting at a crawfish party in the middle of the night with some of the coolest people in the world" attached was a photo of JA among others.IIRC the tweets were twittered, if that is what it's called, after the alleged sexual crimes were committed.
Finlandia said:
One would think so, when the tweets were of words like, "how cool is this, sitting at a crawfish party in the middle of the night with some of the coolest people in the world" attached was a photo of JA among others.
IIRC the tweets were twittered, if that is what it's called, after the alleged sexual crimes were committed.
Indeed, and the alleged victims went to the police only after meeting up and comparing notes.IIRC the tweets were twittered, if that is what it's called, after the alleged sexual crimes were committed.
Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
Perhaps the victims knew he was high-profile
One would think so, when the tweets were of words like, "how cool is this, sitting at a crawfish party in the middle of the night with some of the coolest people in the world" attached was a photo of JA among others.IIRC the tweets were twittered, if that is what it's called, after the alleged sexual crimes were committed.
That may well be evidence against.
I wouldn't make a judgement about the whole allegation based off one aspect when there is so much we don't know about the evidence etc.
La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
Perhaps the victims knew he was high-profile
One would think so, when the tweets were of words like, "how cool is this, sitting at a crawfish party in the middle of the night with some of the coolest people in the world" attached was a photo of JA among others.IIRC the tweets were twittered, if that is what it's called, after the alleged sexual crimes were committed.
That may well be evidence against.
I wouldn't make a judgement about the whole allegation based off one aspect when there is so much we don't know about the evidence etc.
Escapegoat said:
Indeed, and the alleged victims went to the police only after meeting up and comparing notes.
Also not to forget that they only went to the police to force JA to get tested for STDs.Finlandia said:
Remember all the other aspects, the politics and other oddities surrounding this case.
And all the possibilities which may or may not explain those things, all the unknowns and irrational premises the conspiracy theorists pedal e.g. easier to extradite from Sweden than UK despite same ECHR. La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
Remember all the other aspects, the politics and other oddities surrounding this case.
And all the possibilities which may or may not explain those things, all the unknowns and irrational premises the conspiracy theorists pedal e.g. easier to extradite from Sweden than UK despite same ECHR. Of course they have, which country hasn't? The whole point of having the court in Strasbourg is so a person/s will take the country to court to see if it is acting lawfully or not inline with the ECHR.
No one has demonstrated (or conveniently avoided) why Strasbourg would make a different decision if it was Assange vs Sweden or Assange vs UK.
That'd be a good start to support that aspect of the conspiracy.
No one has demonstrated (or conveniently avoided) why Strasbourg would make a different decision if it was Assange vs Sweden or Assange vs UK.
That'd be a good start to support that aspect of the conspiracy.
La Liga said:
Of course they have, which country hasn't? The whole point of having the court in Strasbourg is so a person/s will take the country to court to see if it is acting lawfully or not inline with the ECHR.
No one has demonstrated (or conveniently avoided) why Strasbourg would make a different decision if it was Assange vs Sweden or Assange vs UK.
That'd be a good start to support that aspect of the conspiracy.
A self proclaimed humanitarian superpower getting caught breaking the rules of ECHR and getting a slap on the wrist by the UN is bad for "Sverigebilden".No one has demonstrated (or conveniently avoided) why Strasbourg would make a different decision if it was Assange vs Sweden or Assange vs UK.
That'd be a good start to support that aspect of the conspiracy.
This is (possibly/probably) what started it all.
Strasbourg cannot do anything when the deed is already done, just like they or the UN couldn't do anything about the renditions involving Sweden.
Finlandia said:
Strasbourg cannot do anything when the deed is already done, just like they or the UN couldn't do anything about the renditions involving Sweden.
We're talking about them sending him over to the US - a future event where he'll have the same legal mechanisms available to him and ultimately the same court to make the final judgement. So again, why would this be easier in Sweden than the UK?
That's the proposed premise that is the apparent motive for the government-led fake rape conspiracies, yet no one has seen fit to answer this rather important question.
La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
Strasbourg cannot do anything when the deed is already done, just like they or the UN couldn't do anything about the renditions involving Sweden.
We're talking about them sending him over to the US - a future event where he'll have the same legal mechanisms available to him and ultimately the same court to make the final judgement. So again, why would this be easier in Sweden than the UK?
That's the proposed premise that is the apparent motive for the government-led fake rape conspiracies, yet no one has seen fit to answer this rather important question.
That seems rather improbable given how high profile he is and the legal structures in place.
More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?
Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?
Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.
More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?
Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?
Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.
La Liga said:
That seems rather improbable given how high profile he is and the legal structures in place.
More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?
Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?
Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.
High profile disappearances are something of a speciality in Sweden, see the shambles around the spy Stig Bergling and his disappearance.More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?
Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?
Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.
It was probably how the plan was meant to play out, but then JA was hiding in an embassy for 7 years and it all got a bit silly.
The lawyer keen on reopening the case now is a well known women's right lawyer specialising in high profile sexual assault cases. AFAIK the ex minister and his firm is no longer involved in the case. Someone must have gotten cold feet when it dragged on and got too much publicity.
Remains to be seen if JA will be sent to Sweden, and what charges are brought forward, and the most interesting bit, what happens after that.
Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
That seems rather improbable given how high profile he is and the legal structures in place.
More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?
Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?
Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.
High profile disappearances are something of a speciality in Sweden, see the shambles around the spy Stig Bergling and his disappearance.More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?
Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?
Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.
It was probably how the plan was meant to play out, but then JA was hiding in an embassy for 7 years and it all got a bit silly.
The lawyer keen on reopening the case now is a well known women's right lawyer specialising in high profile sexual assault cases. AFAIK the ex minister and his firm is no longer involved in the case. Someone must have gotten cold feet when it dragged on and got too much publicity.
Remains to be seen if JA will be sent to Sweden, and what charges are brought forward, and the most interesting bit, what happens after that.
The whole plan foiled by a small nation which no back-channeling or other deed would apparently overcome.
Why would the plan need to change? Why didn't the conspirators just raise the rape allegation once again without the US going down a route which would open-up legal avenues? The legal avenues about extradition to Sweden had already been exhausted whereas the US ones haven't even started.
The government / judicial multi-country conspirators don't seem very good at this thing.
La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
That seems rather improbable given how high profile he is and the legal structures in place.
More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?
Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?
Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.
High profile disappearances are something of a speciality in Sweden, see the shambles around the spy Stig Bergling and his disappearance.More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?
Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?
Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.
It was probably how the plan was meant to play out, but then JA was hiding in an embassy for 7 years and it all got a bit silly.
The lawyer keen on reopening the case now is a well known women's right lawyer specialising in high profile sexual assault cases. AFAIK the ex minister and his firm is no longer involved in the case. Someone must have gotten cold feet when it dragged on and got too much publicity.
Remains to be seen if JA will be sent to Sweden, and what charges are brought forward, and the most interesting bit, what happens after that.
The whole plan foiled by a small nation which no back-channeling or other deed would apparently overcome.
Why would the plan need to change? Why didn't the conspirators just raise the rape allegation once again without the US going down a route which would open-up legal avenues? The legal avenues about extradition to Sweden had already been exhausted whereas the US ones haven't even started.
The government / judicial multi-country conspirators don't seem very good at this thing.
The Swedish government at the time, and sadly today as well, was a joke and absolutely capable of effing pretty much anything and everything up.
As I said, be interesting to see if JA is sent to Sweden, and what happens then.
La Liga said:
I'm sure no matter what happens people will see what they want to see, regardless of the evidence and rationality of the proposals.
While others will see no wrongdoing, regardless of all improbabilities and politics surrounding the case.Sexual harassment and rape cases are simply not dealt with in this way by the Swedish justice system.
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