Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court

Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court

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anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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kev1974 said:
Where is Jules now? It's been 12 days since he was carted out of the embassy and subsequently found guilty of breaching his bail conditions. I take it he's enjoying Her Majesty's Pleasure somewhere, still at our cost.
I think that's a safe bet given what he did last time he was bailed.



Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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La Liga said:
Perhaps the victims knew he was high-profile
One would think so, when the tweets were of words like, "how cool is this, sitting at a crawfish party in the middle of the night with some of the coolest people in the world" attached was a photo of JA among others.

IIRC the tweets were twittered, if that is what it's called, after the alleged sexual crimes were committed.

Escapegoat

5,135 posts

135 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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Finlandia said:
One would think so, when the tweets were of words like, "how cool is this, sitting at a crawfish party in the middle of the night with some of the coolest people in the world" attached was a photo of JA among others.

IIRC the tweets were twittered, if that is what it's called, after the alleged sexual crimes were committed.
Indeed, and the alleged victims went to the police only after meeting up and comparing notes.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
Perhaps the victims knew he was high-profile
One would think so, when the tweets were of words like, "how cool is this, sitting at a crawfish party in the middle of the night with some of the coolest people in the world" attached was a photo of JA among others.

IIRC the tweets were twittered, if that is what it's called, after the alleged sexual crimes were committed.
There's evidence for and evidence against any allegation.

That may well be evidence against.

I wouldn't make a judgement about the whole allegation based off one aspect when there is so much we don't know about the evidence etc.


McGee_22

6,704 posts

179 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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kev1974 said:
Where is Jules now? It's been 12 days since he was carted out of the embassy and subsequently found guilty of breaching his bail conditions. I take it he's enjoying Her Majesty's Pleasure somewhere, still at our cost.
Broadmoor?

grumbledoak

31,532 posts

233 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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Twitter says he's in Belmarsh and hasn't seen even his lawyers.

Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
Perhaps the victims knew he was high-profile
One would think so, when the tweets were of words like, "how cool is this, sitting at a crawfish party in the middle of the night with some of the coolest people in the world" attached was a photo of JA among others.

IIRC the tweets were twittered, if that is what it's called, after the alleged sexual crimes were committed.
There's evidence for and evidence against any allegation.

That may well be evidence against.

I wouldn't make a judgement about the whole allegation based off one aspect when there is so much we don't know about the evidence etc.
Remember all the other aspects, the politics and other oddities surrounding this case.


Escapegoat said:
Indeed, and the alleged victims went to the police only after meeting up and comparing notes.
Also not to forget that they only went to the police to force JA to get tested for STDs.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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Finlandia said:
Remember all the other aspects, the politics and other oddities surrounding this case.
And all the possibilities which may or may not explain those things, all the unknowns and irrational premises the conspiracy theorists pedal e.g. easier to extradite from Sweden than UK despite same ECHR.

Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
Remember all the other aspects, the politics and other oddities surrounding this case.
And all the possibilities which may or may not explain those things, all the unknowns and irrational premises the conspiracy theorists pedal e.g. easier to extradite from Sweden than UK despite same ECHR.
Sweden getting caught breaking the ECHR rules was possibly what sparked this whole sorry charade, so breaking them again is not too far fetched.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Of course they have, which country hasn't? The whole point of having the court in Strasbourg is so a person/s will take the country to court to see if it is acting lawfully or not inline with the ECHR.

No one has demonstrated (or conveniently avoided) why Strasbourg would make a different decision if it was Assange vs Sweden or Assange vs UK.

That'd be a good start to support that aspect of the conspiracy.

Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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La Liga said:
Of course they have, which country hasn't? The whole point of having the court in Strasbourg is so a person/s will take the country to court to see if it is acting lawfully or not inline with the ECHR.

No one has demonstrated (or conveniently avoided) why Strasbourg would make a different decision if it was Assange vs Sweden or Assange vs UK.

That'd be a good start to support that aspect of the conspiracy.
A self proclaimed humanitarian superpower getting caught breaking the rules of ECHR and getting a slap on the wrist by the UN is bad for "Sverigebilden".

This is (possibly/probably) what started it all.

Strasbourg cannot do anything when the deed is already done, just like they or the UN couldn't do anything about the renditions involving Sweden.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Finlandia said:
Strasbourg cannot do anything when the deed is already done, just like they or the UN couldn't do anything about the renditions involving Sweden.
We're talking about them sending him over to the US - a future event where he'll have the same legal mechanisms available to him and ultimately the same court to make the final judgement.

So again, why would this be easier in Sweden than the UK?

That's the proposed premise that is the apparent motive for the government-led fake rape conspiracies, yet no one has seen fit to answer this rather important question.


Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
Strasbourg cannot do anything when the deed is already done, just like they or the UN couldn't do anything about the renditions involving Sweden.
We're talking about them sending him over to the US - a future event where he'll have the same legal mechanisms available to him and ultimately the same court to make the final judgement.

So again, why would this be easier in Sweden than the UK?

That's the proposed premise that is the apparent motive for the government-led fake rape conspiracies, yet no one has seen fit to answer this rather important question.
We are talking about JA quietly disappearing to gitmo. No one knows a thing. Sweden gets revenge and restores the relations with the US.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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That seems rather improbable given how high profile he is and the legal structures in place.

More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?

Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?

Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.

Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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La Liga said:
That seems rather improbable given how high profile he is and the legal structures in place.

More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?

Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?

Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.
High profile disappearances are something of a speciality in Sweden, see the shambles around the spy Stig Bergling and his disappearance.

It was probably how the plan was meant to play out, but then JA was hiding in an embassy for 7 years and it all got a bit silly.
The lawyer keen on reopening the case now is a well known women's right lawyer specialising in high profile sexual assault cases. AFAIK the ex minister and his firm is no longer involved in the case. Someone must have gotten cold feet when it dragged on and got too much publicity.

Remains to be seen if JA will be sent to Sweden, and what charges are brought forward, and the most interesting bit, what happens after that.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
That seems rather improbable given how high profile he is and the legal structures in place.

More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?

Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?

Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.
High profile disappearances are something of a speciality in Sweden, see the shambles around the spy Stig Bergling and his disappearance.

It was probably how the plan was meant to play out, but then JA was hiding in an embassy for 7 years and it all got a bit silly.
The lawyer keen on reopening the case now is a well known women's right lawyer specialising in high profile sexual assault cases. AFAIK the ex minister and his firm is no longer involved in the case. Someone must have gotten cold feet when it dragged on and got too much publicity.

Remains to be seen if JA will be sent to Sweden, and what charges are brought forward, and the most interesting bit, what happens after that.
The 7 years where the powerful US and co-conspirators were unable to leverage Ecuadorian embassy to kick him out earlier, of course.

The whole plan foiled by a small nation which no back-channeling or other deed would apparently overcome.

Why would the plan need to change? Why didn't the conspirators just raise the rape allegation once again without the US going down a route which would open-up legal avenues? The legal avenues about extradition to Sweden had already been exhausted whereas the US ones haven't even started.

The government / judicial multi-country conspirators don't seem very good at this thing.


Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
La Liga said:
That seems rather improbable given how high profile he is and the legal structures in place.

More significantly, if that were the intention, why would the US would put an extradition request in already when he’s in the UK?

Why not wait until he’s in Sweden?

Why would they start a legal process that triggers the path for legal challenges (whether in the UK or Sweden) including the possible ECHR challenge? See Abu Hamza as an example.
High profile disappearances are something of a speciality in Sweden, see the shambles around the spy Stig Bergling and his disappearance.

It was probably how the plan was meant to play out, but then JA was hiding in an embassy for 7 years and it all got a bit silly.
The lawyer keen on reopening the case now is a well known women's right lawyer specialising in high profile sexual assault cases. AFAIK the ex minister and his firm is no longer involved in the case. Someone must have gotten cold feet when it dragged on and got too much publicity.

Remains to be seen if JA will be sent to Sweden, and what charges are brought forward, and the most interesting bit, what happens after that.
The 7 years where the powerful US and co-conspirators were unable to leverage Ecuadorian embassy to kick him out earlier, of course.

The whole plan foiled by a small nation which no back-channeling or other deed would apparently overcome.

Why would the plan need to change? Why didn't the conspirators just raise the rape allegation once again without the US going down a route which would open-up legal avenues? The legal avenues about extradition to Sweden had already been exhausted whereas the US ones haven't even started.

The government / judicial multi-country conspirators don't seem very good at this thing.

The whole thing got blown out of proportion and was headline stuff around the globe.

The Swedish government at the time, and sadly today as well, was a joke and absolutely capable of effing pretty much anything and everything up.

As I said, be interesting to see if JA is sent to Sweden, and what happens then.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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I'm sure no matter what happens people will see what they want to see, regardless of the evidence and rationality of the proposals.


Finlandia

7,803 posts

231 months

Thursday 25th April 2019
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La Liga said:
I'm sure no matter what happens people will see what they want to see, regardless of the evidence and rationality of the proposals.
While others will see no wrongdoing, regardless of all improbabilities and politics surrounding the case.

Sexual harassment and rape cases are simply not dealt with in this way by the Swedish justice system.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 25th April 2019
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I don’t have any experience with that system so can’t offer any comment.

Like you say, we’ll have to see what happens and what other things the conspirators throw in their own way.