Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court

[Colonial]

wolves_wanderer said:

pacman1 said:

I think people should remember he's done the world a favour with Wikileaks, uncovering the uncoverable. The yanks really aren't happy. And I think that's a good thing.

quite. I mean, what's the odd rape here and there anyway?

It is not rape as recognised under any laws except for Sweden.

[Pommygranite]

Colonial said:

wolves_wanderer said:

pacman1 said:

I think people should remember he's done the world a favour with Wikileaks, uncovering the uncoverable. The yanks really aren't happy. And I think that's a good thing.

quite. I mean, what's the odd rape here and there anyway?

It is not rape as recognised under any laws except for Sweden.

This. He's not some hammer and duct tape rapist. I understand it's a question of condom or not, which I understand is a troubling subject but the actual sex was consensual.

[Marf]

Now then Pommygranite, Colonial, don't you come here with your sensible facts about the case, it helps no-one.

[Pommygranite]

Marf said:

Now then Pommygranite, Colonial, don't you come here with your sensible facts about the case, it helps no-one.

You're right - hang the barebacker!

[singlecoil]

Pommygranite said:

Colonial said:

wolves_wanderer said:

pacman1 said:

I think people should remember he's done the world a favour with Wikileaks, uncovering the uncoverable. The yanks really aren't happy. And I think that's a good thing.

quite. I mean, what's the odd rape here and there anyway?

It is not rape as recognised under any laws except for Sweden.

This. He's not some hammer and duct tape rapist. I understand it's a question of condom or not, which I understand is a troubling subject but the actual sex was consensual.

If that means that they agreed that he should use a condom, and he then did not, I would consider that the sex that took place was in fact non-consensual.

[Marf]

Pommygranite said:

Marf said:

Now then Pommygranite, Colonial, don't you come here with your sensible facts about the case, it helps no-one.

You're right - hang the barebacker!

[Marf]

singlecoil said:

If that means that they agreed that he should use a condom, and he then did not, I would consider that the sex that took place was in fact non-consensual.

Go an examine the facts of the case, it's all out there on the net. I'd explain it but frankly I'm tired to putting to bed rumour and chinese whispers about the case.

The media label it "rape" and people froth at the mouth. It's pathetic.

Regardless of what he has or hasn't done, anyone with two braincells to rub together can see that this is a cynical ploy to get him on Swedish soil to extradite him to the United States. Again, go investigate Sweden's involvement in rendition and the pre-existing agreements that exist between the US and Sweden. They may as well be an annexed state when it comes to aiding and abetting the US.

Edited by Marf on Thursday 21st June 09:55

[samwilliams]

Colonial said:

It is not rape as recognised under any laws except for Sweden.

You mean that, in the UK, you can fk someone while they're asleep and everything's fine?

Are you sure?

(you shouldn't be, because then you'd be wrong)

[Marf]

samwilliams said:

Colonial said:

It is not rape as recognised under any laws except for Sweden.

You mean that, in the UK, you can fk someone while they're asleep and everything's fine?

Are you sure?

(you shouldn't be, because then you'd be wrong)

WTF does that have to do with the price of eggs?

[samwilliams]

Marf said:

Regardless of what he has or hasn't done, anyone with two braincells to rub together can see that this is a cynical ploy to get him on Swedish soil to extradite him to the United States. Again, go investigate Sweden's involvement in rendition and the pre-existing agreements that exist between the US and Sweden. They may as well be an annexed state when it comes to aiding and abetting the US.

It would be extradite him direct from the UK. If he gets extradited to Sweden, I believe they would need the Home Secretary's permission to then extradite him to the US.

[samwilliams]

Marf said:

samwilliams said:

Colonial said:

It is not rape as recognised under any laws except for Sweden.

You mean that, in the UK, you can fk someone while they're asleep and everything's fine?

Are you sure?

(you shouldn't be, because then you'd be wrong)

WTF does that have to do with the price of eggs?

Given that it is what Assange is alleged to have done, quite a lot.

European Arrest Warrant said:

4. On 17th August 2010, in the home of the injured party [name given] in Enkoping, Assange
deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to
sleep, was in a helpless state.

[Marf]

samwilliams said:

I believe they would need the Home Secretary's permission to then extradite him to the US.

Why? He's not a UK citizen.

[singlecoil]

Marf said:

singlecoil said:

If that means that they agreed that he should use a condom, and he then did not, I would consider that the sex that took place was in fact non-consensual.

Go an examine the facts of the case, it's all out there on the net. I'd explain it but frankly I'm tired to putting to bed rumour and chinese whispers about the case.

I'm sorry, I hadn't meant to give the impression that I was that interested in the case. I'm certainly not inclined to delve into Google on a quest for more information which may or may not be correct.

I'll assume from your answer that my understanding of what took place was wrong, however I still think it was a reasonable understanding given the information presented above.

[Marf]

samwilliams said:

Marf said:

samwilliams said:

Colonial said:

It is not rape as recognised under any laws except for Sweden.

You mean that, in the UK, you can fk someone while they're asleep and everything's fine?

Are you sure?

(you shouldn't be, because then you'd be wrong)

WTF does that have to do with the price of eggs?

Given that it is what Assange is alleged to have done, quite a lot.

European Arrest Warrant said:

4. On 17th August 2010, in the home of the injured party [name given] in Enkoping, Assange
deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to
sleep, was in a helpless state.

Interesting how they've evolved the "crime", it was originally based on the condom breaking during sex, which was then reported as rape some weeks after the fact.

Again, this thing stinks to high heaven. I don't blame him in the slightest for his actions, stand by my assertion its a ploy to get him to the US and hope the Ecuadorians give him asylum.

[Marf]

singlecoil said:

Marf said:

singlecoil said:

If that means that they agreed that he should use a condom, and he then did not, I would consider that the sex that took place was in fact non-consensual.

Go an examine the facts of the case, it's all out there on the net. I'd explain it but frankly I'm tired to putting to bed rumour and chinese whispers about the case.

I'm sorry, I hadn't meant to give the impression that I was that interested in the case. I'm certainly not inclined to delve into Google on a quest for more information which may or may not be correct.

I'll assume from your answer that my understanding of what took place was wrong, however I still think it was a reasonable understanding given the information presented above.

Well with the greatest respect, perhaps before commenting on something you're not interested in you should perhaps not rely on third hand whispers from an internet forum

[Finlandia]

singlecoil said:

Pommygranite said:

Colonial said:

wolves_wanderer said:

pacman1 said:

I think people should remember he's done the world a favour with Wikileaks, uncovering the uncoverable. The yanks really aren't happy. And I think that's a good thing.

quite. I mean, what's the odd rape here and there anyway?

It is not rape as recognised under any laws except for Sweden.

This. He's not some hammer and duct tape rapist. I understand it's a question of condom or not, which I understand is a troubling subject but the actual sex was consensual.

If that means that they agreed that he should use a condom, and he then did not, I would consider that the sex that took place was in fact non-consensual.

As I understand it, he used a condom with one of them, but it burst, and he is being investigated for possible tampering with it. The other was without condom.

Both women reported him for rape a few days after the events, yet a few days after they dropped the accusation, only to report him again some time after that.

[samwilliams]

Marf said:

samwilliams said:

I believe they would need the Home Secretary's permission to then extradite him to the US.

Why? He's not a UK citizen.

It's under s58 Extradition Act which, through some EU stuff, binds Sweden. That only applies until all criminal proceedings in Sweden end, admittedly.

But the arguments that it's easier for him to be extradited from Sweden to the US than from the UK don't hold much weight.

[samwilliams]

Marf said:

Interesting how they've evolved the "crime", it was originally based on the condom breaking during sex, which was then reported as rape some weeks after the fact.

Again, this thing stinks to high heaven. I don't blame him in the slightest for his actions, stand by my assertion its a ploy to get him to the US and hope the Ecuadorians give him asylum.

Really? My understanding is that they were investigating him for rape, based on the fact he had sex with someone while they were asleep, from the day it first got reported to police.

Is that wrong?

[Marf]

As finlandia says, they reported him days after the events, then dropped the charges, then weeks later re-instated them. Admittedly this is the first I've heard of an accusation of him having sex with one of them when asleep.

I'd read that the condom broke during consentual sex with one of them, he'd had consentual sex with the other one but they decided to go to the police to report the broken condom incident as rape days after the event.

Whatever your view on the Sweden/US extradition relationship, I'd happily bet that if he ends up in Sweden nothing will come of the "rape" charges and he'd be on a plane to the US in short order. They want him badly and based on how we sell out our own citizens do you really think Theresa May will give two sts about a stateless Ozzie?

Edited by Marf on Thursday 21st June 10:27

[s1962a]

Say they do grant him asylum - how do they get him out of the country and back to Equador without him being arrested on his way to the airport?