Nigel talking sense again

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FrankyH

54 posts

142 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Mst007 said:
Farage has renewed my faith in politicians. He seems to be the voice of reason...and truth, pretty rare these days! I`ve never joined a political party before, but I`m tempted with UKIP. Where we are heading under Red/Blue is frightening.
Do you look at the 20 odd % of our country who is already an immigrant and say "that's not enough, we need more"? Because that is what UKIP will do.

Mst007

472 posts

221 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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The UK has 12 million immigrants? smile

Secondly, please clarify why you believe UKIP will encourage further immigration, any evidence? The UK Manifesto states:

• The tide of mass EU immigration has pushed down wages and restricted job opportunities. Only by leaving the EU can we regain control of our borders.

• Freeze permanent immigration for 5 years. Immigrants must be fluent in English, have minimum education levels and show they can financially support themselves.

• Bring in a points based visa system and time limited work permits.

Your post is factually incorrect.

DAVEVO9

3,469 posts

266 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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superlightr

12,842 posts

262 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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One of a few who stands up for the UK and talks about the elephant in the room.


Carfiend

3,186 posts

208 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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superlightr said:
One of a few who stands up for the UK and talks about the elephant in the room.
I thought Prescott was in the House of Lords now?

DJRC

23,563 posts

235 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Whats wrong with immigration?

The UK is a country/island of immigrants!

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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There's nothing wrong with immigration, as you say, none of us are 100% native British Isles genetically.

Problems arise when the rate of immigration exceeds the rate at which immigrants are assimilated into the host nation's culture, and/or the host nation assimilates the immigrants' culture.


dandarez

13,246 posts

282 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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DJRC said:
Whats wrong with immigration?

The UK is a country/island of immigrants!
Might as well say what's wrong with a pint of beer?

Similar answer in isolation:
Nothing.

But absorbing uncontrolled quantities of either ensures it becomes a serious issue.


DJRC

23,563 posts

235 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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Not really. It only causes trouble when you want it to cause trouble and use it as a convenient sticking plaster excuse to cover other problems.

Immigration always brings change, static and settled societies never like change yet only dynamic societies prosper. The irony in this discussion being that Britain has been the most dynamic society in Europe since the Middle Ages promoting expansion, exploration and migration.

Britain has always *prospered* from migration because historically we have always adapted to it and embraced the possibilities it opens up. I have no sympathy with any views that only see migration as immigration. Dont like it then use the dynamic to migrate yourself.

The other side of the coin is the law. If new arrivals do not obey by the laws of the land, if the rules that govern society do not seem to include them, then use the system to bring them into it, alter the system to include them or ensure they play to the rules of the system. If none of that happens and the existing mechanisms are not used correctly to ensure the efficient use of the migration dynamic then its the system and use of the system at fault. As it is I happen to think the UK system is at fault because it has neither adapted to the situation nor is it used properly. A skill based assessment of an incomming migration movement is only sensible and is employed quite widely. It is beneficial to the country.

Migration is a good thing if managed properly. Blaming the migration is just silly, blaming the management of it is different.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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DJRC said:
Migration is a good thing if managed properly. Blaming the migration is just silly, blaming the management of it is different.
What do you mean by "managing" though? Controlling it, or just managing its effects?

KrissKross

2,182 posts

100 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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Cupramax

10,469 posts

251 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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If only we had a parliament that spoke so constructively. Nigel Farage is a past master at kicking the Euro tts right where it hurts, Barnier and Juncker just sit there and lap it up knowing he has no real power.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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Like him or not we wouldn't be Leaving had it not been for his efforts.

Randy Winkman

16,021 posts

188 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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alfie2244 said:
Like him or not we wouldn't be Leaving had it not been for his efforts.
Is that a good or bad thing?

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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Randy Winkman said:
alfie2244 said:
Like him or not we wouldn't be Leaving had it not been for his efforts.
Is that a good or bad thing?
Me? Having been a member of the Referendum party many years ago..what do you think? wink

227bhp

10,203 posts

127 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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Randy Winkman said:
alfie2244 said:
Like him or not we wouldn't be Leaving had it not been for his efforts.
Is that a good or bad thing?
We won't know for a long time yet.

IrateNinja

767 posts

177 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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KrissKross said:
Absolutely bizarre. The second time this clip has been posted, and it continues to make no sense.

Says it's the EUs fault that the UK has not been able to offer a solution on avoiding a hard border in Ireland, and throws around labels like 'fanatics' when they won't negotiate.

ROI doesn't want a hard border, and the UK has already committing to not forcing a hard border on the Island. EU supports ROI as a member state and prevents the UK from being able to bully the smaller country into accepting their demands. Farage doing his usual in using his talking opportunity to create some soundbites for Youtube and Leave.EU Twitter feed.

Meanwhile the ERG continually peddle the nonsense of a technology facilitated border, without actually being able to describe what that means, and for good measure refusing to extend the A50 notification to give any reasonable amount of time to develop that solution if it actually existed. And that's the EUs fault?!


chunder27

2,309 posts

207 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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You can see the looks of rejection, dismay, embarassment on the faces of the people in there, basically there is a man in there who is shouting about how crap it all is, pointing out the failures.

The point about Italy having to lend Spain money is spot on, why on earth should a country already struggling like hell have to lend another more, why have we bailed out Greece so much when they proved vor decades that they did not have a clue about running a sustainable economy?

Why? Because banks runt he world, the Euro, the EU, everything. They are the ones that win, all these tossers are probably board members on Euro banks.

No deal for me all the way, take the hit, lets these tossers rot. I would vote for it in an instant.

z4RRSchris

11,221 posts

178 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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"Says it's the EUs fault that the UK has not been able to offer a solution on avoiding a hard border in Ireland"

without being in the customs union and single market this is impossible. There is no solution.

The only solution is having a less hard boarder where good checks are caried out away from it, like in norway etc.

TTwiggy

11,500 posts

203 months

Friday 1st February 2019
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chunder27 said:
No deal for me all the way, take the hit, lets these tossers rot. I would vote for it in an instant.
Yeah! Let's all make ourselves poorer to show those millionaire banker fat-cats who's boss!