Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 2
Discussion
thinfourth2 said:
ViperPict said:
They may well come out with a fairly major announcement closer to the referendum. With any luck.
By which time it will be too lateBut if you belive the YES vote will win lets see you put your money where your mouth is
odds are currently 7 to 1
invest £100 and you will get £700 back
I've got money on the NO vote and the odd were way worse
'Deal agreed' on referendum - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
Edinburger said:
'Deal agreed' on referendum - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
Was JUST about to post that. Oops, talking to myself again! Now the real debates can begin. This is when it will really start to get interesting...
Edinburger said:
'Deal agreed' on referendum - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
Christ you're quick, do you get email updates from google with any "Independence" news? Did anything happen WRT the proposed leading question, beginning "Do you agree..."?
The debates have been open for as long as you wanted. You do not need permission to talk about stuff by anyone in government on these forums, you know?
So, one question. Independence, or not. No talk of other powers... Interesting. Figured they would run it that way. As for the 16 & 17 year olds voting, I still think that is daft. Will they be able to vote on the other side of the election?
So, one question. Independence, or not. No talk of other powers... Interesting. Figured they would run it that way. As for the 16 & 17 year olds voting, I still think that is daft. Will they be able to vote on the other side of the election?
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Rollin said:
Support for independence dropping even further, down to 28%. Will only get worse for Salmond when the courts force him to stop hiding information.
http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
Cue a chorus from VP and ED decrying polls and the biased rag that printed it. As usual. http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
The steady reduction in support for independence is not because independence is inherently bad for Scotland, it is because of the way the SNP rides rough shod over facts and the electorate. Mark my words, it is the SNP that will cost Scotland independence, nothing else.
The Scots I know are generally financially conservative (small C) and don't make important decisions at the last minute and without a thorough discussion of all the facts and ramifications. Somebody really ought to explain this to the SNP.
TheHeretic said:
The debates have been open for as long as you wanted. You do not need permission to talk about stuff by anyone in government on these forums, you know?
So, one question. Independence, or not. No talk of other powers... Interesting. Figured they would run it that way. As for the 16 & 17 year olds voting, I still think that is daft. Will they be able to vote on the other side of the election?
Re. the 16 and 17 year olds, I can understand the argument for and the argument against them having a vote. But I'd find it difficult to argue against them being able to vote...So, one question. Independence, or not. No talk of other powers... Interesting. Figured they would run it that way. As for the 16 & 17 year olds voting, I still think that is daft. Will they be able to vote on the other side of the election?
TheHeretic said:
The debates have been open for as long as you wanted. You do not need permission to talk about stuff by anyone in government on these forums, you know?
So, one question. Independence, or not. No talk of other powers... Interesting. Figured they would run it that way. As for the 16 & 17 year olds voting, I still think that is daft. Will they be able to vote on the other side of the election?
I believe the SNP want to allow 16 and 17 year olds to vote in all elections.So, one question. Independence, or not. No talk of other powers... Interesting. Figured they would run it that way. As for the 16 & 17 year olds voting, I still think that is daft. Will they be able to vote on the other side of the election?
It's potentially a dangerous game for the Unionists to give the electorate no other option apart from independence than the status quo. All polls (IYBSTAP) indicate that the status quo has been the least popular of all options for Scotland.
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
'Deal agreed' on referendum - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
Christ you're quick, do you get email updates from google with any "Independence" news? Did anything happen WRT the proposed leading question, beginning "Do you agree..."?
I'm joking, of course.
Edinburger said:
Re. the 16 and 17 year olds, I can understand the argument for and the argument against them having a vote. But I'd find it difficult to argue against them being able to vote...
Well, that wasn't my question. If they are mature enough to vote to split a country, and go independent, will they get a say in who their MSP will be in the proceeding elections, etc? Edinburger said:
Rollin said:
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Rollin said:
Support for independence dropping even further, down to 28%. Will only get worse for Salmond when the courts force him to stop hiding information.
http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
Cue a chorus from VP and ED decrying polls and the biased rag that printed it. As usual. http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
The steady reduction in support for independence is not because independence is inherently bad for Scotland, it is because of the way the SNP rides rough shod over facts and the electorate. Mark my words, it is the SNP that will cost Scotland independence, nothing else.
Caulkhead said:
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Rollin said:
Support for independence dropping even further, down to 28%. Will only get worse for Salmond when the courts force him to stop hiding information.
http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
Cue a chorus from VP and ED decrying polls and the biased rag that printed it. As usual. http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
The steady reduction in support for independence is not because independence is inherently bad for Scotland, it is because of the way the SNP rides rough shod over facts and the electorate. Mark my words, it is the SNP that will cost Scotland independence, nothing else.
The Scots I know are generally financially conservative (small C) and don't make important decisions at the last minute and without a thorough discussion of all the facts and ramifications. Somebody really ought to explain this to the SNP.
TheHeretic said:
Edinburger said:
Re. the 16 and 17 year olds, I can understand the argument for and the argument against them having a vote. But I'd find it difficult to argue against them being able to vote...
Well, that wasn't my question. If they are mature enough to vote to split a country, and go independent, will they get a say in who their MSP will be in the proceeding elections, etc? ViperPict said:
I believe the SNP want to allow 16 and 17 year olds to vote in all elections.
It's potentially a dangerous game for the Unionists to give the electorate no other option apart from independence than the status quo. All polls (IYBSTAP) indicate that the status quo has been the least popular of all options for Scotland.
Maybe they simply want a simple answer? Yes, or no. It does not mean that the status quo will remain, as it hasn't recently. It will be a nice scare tactic to use by the yes campaign though. It's potentially a dangerous game for the Unionists to give the electorate no other option apart from independence than the status quo. All polls (IYBSTAP) indicate that the status quo has been the least popular of all options for Scotland.
ViperPict said:
Caulkhead said:
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Rollin said:
Support for independence dropping even further, down to 28%. Will only get worse for Salmond when the courts force him to stop hiding information.
http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
Cue a chorus from VP and ED decrying polls and the biased rag that printed it. As usual. http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
The steady reduction in support for independence is not because independence is inherently bad for Scotland, it is because of the way the SNP rides rough shod over facts and the electorate. Mark my words, it is the SNP that will cost Scotland independence, nothing else.
ViperPict said:
TheHeretic said:
The debates have been open for as long as you wanted. You do not need permission to talk about stuff by anyone in government on these forums, you know?
So, one question. Independence, or not. No talk of other powers... Interesting. Figured they would run it that way. As for the 16 & 17 year olds voting, I still think that is daft. Will they be able to vote on the other side of the election?
I believe the SNP want to allow 16 and 17 year olds to vote in all elections.So, one question. Independence, or not. No talk of other powers... Interesting. Figured they would run it that way. As for the 16 & 17 year olds voting, I still think that is daft. Will they be able to vote on the other side of the election?
It's potentially a dangerous game for the Unionists to give the electorate no other option apart from independence than the status quo. All polls (IYBSTAP) indicate that the status quo has been the least popular of all options for Scotland.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207207/Sc...
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Rollin said:
Support for independence dropping even further, down to 28%. Will only get worse for Salmond when the courts force him to stop hiding information.
http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
Cue a chorus from VP and ED decrying polls and the biased rag that printed it. As usual. http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
The steady reduction in support for independence is not because independence is inherently bad for Scotland, it is because of the way the SNP rides rough shod over facts and the electorate. Mark my words, it is the SNP that will cost Scotland independence, nothing else.
The Scots I know are generally financially conservative (small C) and don't make important decisions at the last minute and without a thorough discussion of all the facts and ramifications. Somebody really ought to explain this to the SNP.
Caulkhead said:
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Edinburger said:
Caulkhead said:
Rollin said:
Support for independence dropping even further, down to 28%. Will only get worse for Salmond when the courts force him to stop hiding information.
http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
Cue a chorus from VP and ED decrying polls and the biased rag that printed it. As usual. http://m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-n...
The steady reduction in support for independence is not because independence is inherently bad for Scotland, it is because of the way the SNP rides rough shod over facts and the electorate. Mark my words, it is the SNP that will cost Scotland independence, nothing else.
The Scots I know are generally financially conservative (small C) and don't make important decisions at the last minute and without a thorough discussion of all the facts and ramifications. Somebody really ought to explain this to the SNP.
ViperPict said:
TheHeretic said:
The debates have been open for as long as you wanted. You do not need permission to talk about stuff by anyone in government on these forums, you know?
So, one question. Independence, or not. No talk of other powers... Interesting. Figured they would run it that way. As for the 16 & 17 year olds voting, I still think that is daft. Will they be able to vote on the other side of the election?
I believe the SNP want to allow 16 and 17 year olds to vote in all elections.So, one question. Independence, or not. No talk of other powers... Interesting. Figured they would run it that way. As for the 16 & 17 year olds voting, I still think that is daft. Will they be able to vote on the other side of the election?
It's potentially a dangerous game for the Unionists to give the electorate no other option apart from independence than the status quo. All polls (IYBSTAP) indicate that the status quo has been the least popular of all options for Scotland.
poll said:
In October 2011 the polling firm began asking an additional question testing voters' views on whether Holyrood should be given greater powers short of independence.
That first poll showed a relatively even three-way split, with 33% for more powers, 29% for the status quo and 28% for independence. After some fluctuations, the latest poll puts the status quo top, with 35%, one point ahead of those seeking more powers, with independence languishing at 22%.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-...That first poll showed a relatively even three-way split, with 33% for more powers, 29% for the status quo and 28% for independence. After some fluctuations, the latest poll puts the status quo top, with 35%, one point ahead of those seeking more powers, with independence languishing at 22%.
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