Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 2
Discussion
ViperPict said:
Whether or not it is 'bleeding obvious', given that there are clearly three camps in the issue and only two options, the point that there will likely be some 'debate' whatever the result is seems very valid. And that potentially does not bode well for the period following the referendum. To say that folk just have to accept either the yes or no vote is wishful thinking.
But the SNP want independenceThat is what they have banged on about for decades
Now they have their chance
Can you imagine the crying if there was a 3 option referendum and the results were 33% independence, 34% devo max and 33% stay as we are
As then you have been denied your chance to be the workers socialist republic of Scotland where cars are banned as it would save one life.
2 options or no options
ViperPict said:
Who would have expected you to pop up and post a random link after you had your ass handed to you on a plate once again.I certainly didn't see that coming
The SNP never really expected to get into this situation, they only got voted in because Labour have done so badly and Scottish people won't vote Conservative outside small parts of Edinburgh. So they promised to have a referendum on independence and have to now go along with it. Respect to them for not welching out like Cameron did over Europe.
The SNP know, or strongly suspect, Scottish people won't vote for independence and tried to have the third option which was just more Westminster money AND power for Scotland, unsurprisingly that wasn't popular in Westminster.
I expect that even if Braveheart is shown the night before the vote thankfully there will only be about 30% in favour of independence. At best, the SNP can hope that the vote and the activity beforehand, will be enough to result in some more concessions or devolved powers for Scotland.
The SNP know, or strongly suspect, Scottish people won't vote for independence and tried to have the third option which was just more Westminster money AND power for Scotland, unsurprisingly that wasn't popular in Westminster.
I expect that even if Braveheart is shown the night before the vote thankfully there will only be about 30% in favour of independence. At best, the SNP can hope that the vote and the activity beforehand, will be enough to result in some more concessions or devolved powers for Scotland.
thinfourth2 said:
ViperPict said:
Whether or not it is 'bleeding obvious', given that there are clearly three camps in the issue and only two options, the point that there will likely be some 'debate' whatever the result is seems very valid. And that potentially does not bode well for the period following the referendum. To say that folk just have to accept either the yes or no vote is wishful thinking.
But the SNP want independenceThat is what they have banged on about for decades
Now they have their chance
Can you imagine the crying if there was a 3 option referendum and the results were 33% independence, 34% devo max and 33% stay as we are
As then you have been denied your chance to be the workers socialist republic of Scotland where cars are banned as it would save one life.
2 options or no options
thinfourth2 said:
And some SNP idiot on the radio saying that they wanted a 2 question referendum all along
No doudt in 2014 when Scotland returns a HUGE no vote the SNP will declare it as a flawless victory
They DID want a two question referendum - they've ALWAYS stated that! You make things up as you go along...No doudt in 2014 when Scotland returns a HUGE no vote the SNP will declare it as a flawless victory
el stovey said:
The SNP never really expected to get into this situation, they only got voted in because Labour have done so badly and Scottish people won't vote Conservative outside small parts of Edinburgh. So they promised to have a referendum on independence and have to now go along with it. Respect to them for not welching out like Cameron did over Europe.
The SNP know, or strongly suspect, Scottish people won't vote for independence and tried to have the third option which was just more Westminster money AND power for Scotland, unsurprisingly that wasn't popular in Westminster.
I expect that even if Braveheart is shown the night before the vote thankfully there will only be about 30% in favour of independence. At best, the SNP can hope that the vote and the activity beforehand, will be enough to result in some more concessions or devolved powers for Scotland.
I agree with most of what you've written. Although I think the vote will be a lot closer than most folk think. Two years to go, during which time the general Scottish populace (not the privelaged few who tend to post on here) will get more and more disenchanted with Dave et al. I think the alternative to the status quo will start to look more and more worth the risk.The SNP know, or strongly suspect, Scottish people won't vote for independence and tried to have the third option which was just more Westminster money AND power for Scotland, unsurprisingly that wasn't popular in Westminster.
I expect that even if Braveheart is shown the night before the vote thankfully there will only be about 30% in favour of independence. At best, the SNP can hope that the vote and the activity beforehand, will be enough to result in some more concessions or devolved powers for Scotland.
ViperPict said:
I agree with most of what you've written. Although I think the vote will be a lot closer than most folk think. Two years to go, during which time the general Scottish populace (not the privelaged few who tend to post on here) will get more and more disenchanted with Dave et al. I think the alternative to the status quo will start to look more and more worth the risk.
And here we are again back to the tory partysimoid said:
ViperPict said:
Well, guess what? It's the SNP's proposed date and question, not Westminster's!
Only once they find a question that is not horrendously leading in nature, and is acceptable to the electoral commission...
Do you seriously think that it would trick folk into not voting the way they want to?!
Seriously...
thinfourth2 said:
ViperPict said:
I agree with most of what you've written. Although I think the vote will be a lot closer than most folk think. Two years to go, during which time the general Scottish populace (not the privelaged few who tend to post on here) will get more and more disenchanted with Dave et al. I think the alternative to the status quo will start to look more and more worth the risk.
And here we are again back to the tory partyViperPict said:
But, right or wrong, it is how the populace (Scottish AND English) are thinking...
Yes lets swap this bunch of useless gits for a new bunch of useless gits as the last time we swapped a bunch of useless gits for another bunch of useless gits we ended up with a bunch of useless gits but this time when we swap a bunch of useless gits for a new bunch of useless gits it will be different.Repeat until no longer funny
ViperPict said:
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
Well, guess what? It's the SNP's proposed date and question, not Westminster's!
Only once they find a question that is not horrendously leading in nature, and is acceptable to the electoral commission...Do you seriously think that it would trick folk into not voting the way they want to?!
Seriously...
simoid said:
Asking "Do you agree...?" is not an acceptable question structure for something that should be entirely neutral! It's a textbook example of a leading question, but obviously this will be sorted out in due course.
Agree entirely. You could answer yes to the opposing questions without issues, depending on how they are worded."Do you agree that Scotland has the right to self determination, and independence?" - Yes.
"Do you agree that Scotland should remain part of the United Kingdom?" - Yes.
Referendum Ballot said:
"Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?"
My full answer:A: Yes, I agree, Scotland should be an independent country. But unfortunately I think it's not economically viable or sensible at present, because we'll be much more stable and prosperous in the UK.
So I can agree with the question, but not want to vote positively for it
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