Conservative MP - Police Rant.
Discussion
ClaphamGT3 said:
The fact that the cabinet all took a pay cut of 5% and a pay freeze for the life of this parliament has obviously passed you and the police federation by........
Since you raise it IIRC it was agreed at the first cabinet meeting, so effectively they took 95% of a pay rise moving from MPs to ministers. Elroy Blue said:
Ok!
Fact. He is not destitute. Fact: He spent £19000 of taxpayers money claiming expenses for the decoration of his house. I don't think he's suffering too badly. MPs salary. Ministers salary. Expenses. Backhanders to African despots (he's big pals with Rwanda's boss) and did some strange 'aid' deals in his previous role.
I must try the 'don't remember' line next time I'm in court. Not sure it'll go down very well. It wouldn't be acceptable for me and it's certainly not acceptable for a Government Minister.
(And Fact: His bike's rubbish)
You come across as a bit of a pleb.. Fact. He is not destitute. Fact: He spent £19000 of taxpayers money claiming expenses for the decoration of his house. I don't think he's suffering too badly. MPs salary. Ministers salary. Expenses. Backhanders to African despots (he's big pals with Rwanda's boss) and did some strange 'aid' deals in his previous role.
I must try the 'don't remember' line next time I'm in court. Not sure it'll go down very well. It wouldn't be acceptable for me and it's certainly not acceptable for a Government Minister.
(And Fact: His bike's rubbish)
Lots of aspertions being cast there. You might want to be careful on a public forum with stuff like that.
As for the incident itself, Mitchel might be lieing, he might not. He might even not remember if he was really having a rant.. Then again, Police officers might have told a lie? Surely not! Oh, hang on..
andymadmak said:
Elroy Blue said:
Ok!
Fact. He is not destitute. Fact: He spent £19000 of taxpayers money claiming expenses for the decoration of his house. I don't think he's suffering too badly. MPs salary. Ministers salary. Expenses. Backhanders to African despots (he's big pals with Rwanda's boss) and did some strange 'aid' deals in his previous role.
I must try the 'don't remember' line next time I'm in court. Not sure it'll go down very well. It wouldn't be acceptable for me and it's certainly not acceptable for a Government Minister.
(And Fact: His bike's rubbish)
You come across as a bit of a pleb.. Fact. He is not destitute. Fact: He spent £19000 of taxpayers money claiming expenses for the decoration of his house. I don't think he's suffering too badly. MPs salary. Ministers salary. Expenses. Backhanders to African despots (he's big pals with Rwanda's boss) and did some strange 'aid' deals in his previous role.
I must try the 'don't remember' line next time I'm in court. Not sure it'll go down very well. It wouldn't be acceptable for me and it's certainly not acceptable for a Government Minister.
(And Fact: His bike's rubbish)
Lots of aspertions being cast there. You might want to be careful on a public forum with stuff like that.
As for the incident itself, Mitchel might be lieing, he might not. He might even not remember if he was really having a rant.. Then again, Police officers might have told a lie? Surely not! Oh, hang on..
Seriously EB, you have made a very grave allegation there - care to provide the evidence to back that up?
XCP said:
I would expect a Minister to lie.
I would not expect it of a Police Officer.
I would say either would be unacceptable.
Agreed that either is unacceptable. I would not expect it of a Police Officer.
I would say either would be unacceptable.
However I have personal experience of a 2 Policemen colluding and lieing. OK, it was a relatively minor incident (traffic cops) but the experience has blighted my view of the Police since that day. I expect the Police to lie, and with the recent revelations surrounding Hillsborough I suspect that a great many members of the general public feel the same way (sadly)
andymadmak said:
XCP said:
I would expect a Minister to lie.
I would not expect it of a Police Officer.
I would say either would be unacceptable.
Agreed that either is unacceptable. I would not expect it of a Police Officer.
I would say either would be unacceptable.
However I have personal experience of a 2 Policemen colluding and lieing. OK, it was a relatively minor incident (traffic cops) but the experience has blighted my view of the Police since that day. I expect the Police to lie, and with the recent revelations surrounding Hillsborough I suspect that a great many members of the general public feel the same way (sadly)
By the way, is it just me or are the police union the Police Federation just a bunch of politically motivated scoundrels?
andymadmak said:
Agreed that either is unacceptable.
However I have personal experience of a 2 Policemen colluding and lieing. OK, it was a relatively minor incident (traffic cops) but the experience has blighted my view of the Police since that day. I expect the Police to lie, and with the recent revelations surrounding Hillsborough I suspect that a great many members of the general public feel the same way (sadly)
On balance though, all politicians lie.However I have personal experience of a 2 Policemen colluding and lieing. OK, it was a relatively minor incident (traffic cops) but the experience has blighted my view of the Police since that day. I expect the Police to lie, and with the recent revelations surrounding Hillsborough I suspect that a great many members of the general public feel the same way (sadly)
A few police lie.( I too have been lied about by officers)
I know who I would believe.
ClaphamGT3 said:
Police officers lying to further their own ends.....perish the thought!
Seriously EB, you have made a very grave allegation there - care to provide the evidence to back that up?
Oh! Grave allegation. Do I need to watch out for Tory hit squads in black cars silencing those inferiors who dare to speak out. I'll lose sleep over that.Seriously EB, you have made a very grave allegation there - care to provide the evidence to back that up?
Every paper yesterday had a story on it. Her's one as you don't seem bothered to look.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
He visited the regime eight times. The same regime that has caused warnings to be issued to Rwandans in the UK that they are under threat and are being targeted.
£19000 of taxpayers money for his decorating. That's fact so nothing to worry about there.
His inability to remember what he said. Well it's convinient if nothing else.
His inability to move four feet to the right to go throughg an open gate. Well, that's fact as well.
You're faith in Politicians is touching GT3. But your previous posts tends to suggest that you hold the same views as Mitchell. Now I am past caring. Mitchell is typical of the current Government. They are every cliche of a Tory boy you can think of. They are using UKPLC as free money to line their own (and their close associates/family) bank accounts before the tap is turned off.
The 'aid' budget is now bigger than the Police budget. If that doesn't cause you to raise an eyebrow, then that's your prerogative.
I don't give a toss what you or Mitchell think of the Police. The majority just go and do a difficult job, with decimated resources to the best of their ability. They are far more trustworthy and dedicated than any Politician. That is also a fact.
Elroy Blue said:
Oh! Grave allegation. Do I need to watch out for Tory hit squads in black cars silencing those inferiors who dare to speak out. I'll lose sleep over that.
Every paper yesterday had a story on it. Her's one as you don't seem bothered to look.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
He visited the regime eight times. The same regime that has caused warnings to be issued to Rwandans in the UK that they are under threat and are being targeted.
£19000 of taxpayers money for his decorating. That's fact so nothing to worry about there.
His inability to remember what he said. Well it's convinient if nothing else.
His inability to move four feet to the right to go throughg an open gate. Well, that's fact as well.
You're faith in Politicians is touching GT3. But your previous posts tends to suggest that you hold the same views as Mitchell. Now I am past caring. Mitchell is typical of the current Government. They are every cliche of a Tory boy you can think of. They are using UKPLC as free money to line their own (and their close associates/family) bank accounts before the tap is turned off.
The 'aid' budget is now bigger than the Police budget. If that doesn't cause you to raise an eyebrow, then that's your prerogative.
I don't give a toss what you or Mitchell think of the Police. The majority just go and do a difficult job, with decimated resources to the best of their ability. They are far more trustworthy and dedicated than any Politician. That is also a fact.
Excellent postEvery paper yesterday had a story on it. Her's one as you don't seem bothered to look.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
He visited the regime eight times. The same regime that has caused warnings to be issued to Rwandans in the UK that they are under threat and are being targeted.
£19000 of taxpayers money for his decorating. That's fact so nothing to worry about there.
His inability to remember what he said. Well it's convinient if nothing else.
His inability to move four feet to the right to go throughg an open gate. Well, that's fact as well.
You're faith in Politicians is touching GT3. But your previous posts tends to suggest that you hold the same views as Mitchell. Now I am past caring. Mitchell is typical of the current Government. They are every cliche of a Tory boy you can think of. They are using UKPLC as free money to line their own (and their close associates/family) bank accounts before the tap is turned off.
The 'aid' budget is now bigger than the Police budget. If that doesn't cause you to raise an eyebrow, then that's your prerogative.
I don't give a toss what you or Mitchell think of the Police. The majority just go and do a difficult job, with decimated resources to the best of their ability. They are far more trustworthy and dedicated than any Politician. That is also a fact.
Andy Zarse said:
By the way, is it just me or are the police union the Police Federation just a bunch of politically motivated scoundrels?
I'm sorry but the Fed are simply following the Govt on this. With the PPC elections the Govt has put politics into policing. The separation of powers are long gone. As there is no public funding for these elections, the only candidates are thus ensured to be only those sponsored by political parties.Gadget puts it well.
The guvnor said:
The ideology goes something like this: Police officers are not from the same background as us, they are not as well-educated and they have independent power, which sometimes transcends our individual power. No matter how much we like to spin against them, the public tend to like and trust the police more than us. We have to change this because we don’t like it.
Stepping back and looking at the bigger picture sometimes helps. Mitchell's rant and pleb comment, if he said it, simply vocalises the way they are thinking.The scoundrels are the ones more likely to be sitting on green leather.
Elroy Blue said:
Oh! Grave allegation. Do I need to watch out for Tory hit squads in black cars silencing those inferiors who dare to speak out. I'll lose sleep over that.
Every paper yesterday had a story on it. Her's one as you don't seem bothered to look.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
He visited the regime eight times. The same regime that has caused warnings to be issued to Rwandans in the UK that they are under threat and are being targeted.
£19000 of taxpayers money for his decorating. That's fact so nothing to worry about there.
His inability to remember what he said. Well it's convinient if nothing else.
His inability to move four feet to the right to go throughg an open gate. Well, that's fact as well.
You're faith in Politicians is touching GT3. But your previous posts tends to suggest that you hold the same views as Mitchell. Now I am past caring. Mitchell is typical of the current Government. They are every cliche of a Tory boy you can think of. They are using UKPLC as free money to line their own (and their close associates/family) bank accounts before the tap is turned off.
The 'aid' budget is now bigger than the Police budget. If that doesn't cause you to raise an eyebrow, then that's your prerogative.
I don't give a toss what you or Mitchell think of the Police. The majority just go and do a difficult job, with decimated resources to the best of their ability. They are far more trustworthy and dedicated than any Politician. That is also a fact.
Oh my, where to begin with this one?!Every paper yesterday had a story on it. Her's one as you don't seem bothered to look.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
He visited the regime eight times. The same regime that has caused warnings to be issued to Rwandans in the UK that they are under threat and are being targeted.
£19000 of taxpayers money for his decorating. That's fact so nothing to worry about there.
His inability to remember what he said. Well it's convinient if nothing else.
His inability to move four feet to the right to go throughg an open gate. Well, that's fact as well.
You're faith in Politicians is touching GT3. But your previous posts tends to suggest that you hold the same views as Mitchell. Now I am past caring. Mitchell is typical of the current Government. They are every cliche of a Tory boy you can think of. They are using UKPLC as free money to line their own (and their close associates/family) bank accounts before the tap is turned off.
The 'aid' budget is now bigger than the Police budget. If that doesn't cause you to raise an eyebrow, then that's your prerogative.
I don't give a toss what you or Mitchell think of the Police. The majority just go and do a difficult job, with decimated resources to the best of their ability. They are far more trustworthy and dedicated than any Politician. That is also a fact.
The Rwanda issue is scrutiny of a contentious call on funding overseas aid by a minister - it happens all the time. Only a story because Mitchell's in the news anyway and Malcolm Bruce fancies a little mischief. I know Malcolm well, I was at school with his nephews and, charming old boy though he is, he does tilt at windmills rather.
As for the rest of your stream of rather bitter drivel, I'll only say that, if you really are past caring, why don't you leave this thread to those who want a constructive debate?
Elroy Blue said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
As for the rest of your stream of rather bitter drivel, I'll only say that, if you really are past caring, why don't you leave this thread to those who agree with everything I say
Fixed that for you.The main point is IMO an emotional one: that Mitchell is a nasty little
who typifies why tens of millions of people can never and will never vote Conservative. Rude and egregious people like him have no place in public office. He can go fk himself.Elroy Blue said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
As for the rest of your stream of rather bitter drivel, I'll only say that, if you really are past caring, why don't you leave this thread to those who agree with everything I say
Fixed that for you.He went to school with posh people.
Know your place.
Andy Zarse said:
There is some logic in both your points, but from my POV, logic has a limited impact.
The main point is IMO an emotional one: that Mitchell is a nasty little who typifies why tens of millions of people can never and will never vote Conservative. Rude and egregious people like him have no place in public office. He can go fk himself.
And such people don't exist in the labour party?The main point is IMO an emotional one: that Mitchell is a nasty little
who typifies why tens of millions of people can never and will never vote Conservative. Rude and egregious people like him have no place in public office. He can go fk himself.Snout-in-the-trough socialists are every bit as odious as Alan B'stard tories
Andy Zarse said:
Elroy Blue said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
As for the rest of your stream of rather bitter drivel, I'll only say that, if you really are past caring, why don't you leave this thread to those who agree with everything I say
Fixed that for you.The main point is IMO an emotional one: that Mitchell is a nasty little
who typifies why tens of millions of people can never and will never vote Conservative. Rude and egregious people like him have no place in public office. He can go fk himself.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff