Abu Hamza extradition halted .. again
Discussion
Somewhatfoolish said:
From my understanding they'll need someone to take them on pro bono otherwise they'll be represented by the bottom 20% of recent graduates out of law school. American system is seriously unjust.
wow. i mean fair enough its a case of not letting the lawyers milk it out but damn. i can see why others aside from the obvious dont want to be sent to the usa. ok if he was to hire a top lawyer - what kinda fee's would the lawyer command?
i dont want my experience of watching law and order only to be the only source of US law
Tony 1234 said:
turbobloke said:
Digga said:
thinfourth2 said:
He will still be here for christmas
Struggling to pull crackers. My heart bleeds for him.
REALIST123 said:
Breadvan72 said:
Joking apart, the death penalty is not an option.
By the way, critics of UK-US extradition policy may be interested to learn that the US has not refused a single UK extradition request, but the UK has refused seven US requests, since the latest treaty was made.
So what? There have still been almost twice as many sent to the USA than to the UK in that time. By the way, critics of UK-US extradition policy may be interested to learn that the US has not refused a single UK extradition request, but the UK has refused seven US requests, since the latest treaty was made.
Somewhatfoolish said:
Having said that I read the actual appeal document today and I want to change my position on Hamaza, he really is a b
d with stloads of evidence against him.
So, imagine how much more his solicitor knows, the one who has fought for him every step of the way, defending anything he did or said, even against the majority of local muslims when they wanted his 'takeover' of the Finsbury Park Mosque stopped.d with stloads of evidence against him. Despite knowing, in all probability, just how nasty, rabid and dangerous a rabble rouser he is. More than money involved here, not withstanding the millions of pounds these actions have cost the UK taxpayer. Setting aside for a moment the stuff about civil societies and everyone having access to representation and fair trails I suspect this person has gone beyond the desire to protect these basic rights for 'other' reasons. Idealogical b
d. Anti police too by the looks of stuff bragged about on the website:http://www.aranisolicitors.com/about.html
"We also represented Sheikh Abu Hamza in the Finsbury Park mosque and when he was arrested under the Terrorism Act, we are still representing Sheikh Abu Hamza in respect of the novel provisions under the Immigration and Nationality Asylum Act 2002 whereby he is the first person to be deprived of his British Nationality. We are also representing Sheikh Abu Hamza in respect of his Extradition case which is the first case of its kind under the new Extradition Act 2003.."
Somewhatfoolish said:
Puggit said:
Membership of the EU is conditional to membership of the ECHR
You can't join the EU if you don't join the ECHR.But you can certainly be a member of the ECHR if you don't join the EU.
I do agree with you in a certain sense that ideally the UK should have its highest court, and that's it. In fact I'd love that. I'd love the UK out of the EU and fully soverign about everything. But that is at least partly predicated on the UK being fully civilised.
But if it is to do that it needs proper respect for human rights. Further than the ECHR goes, actually. The ECHR is a bugger in principle but it seems our current best hope to apply universal human rights to everyone, no matter what the consequences.
It would be even better if that were implemented in a UK court and all the other b
ks were stripped out. But the UK has over half of people in favour of capital punishment, ffs. Yet even more amusingly about half of those won't allow medically assisted painless suicide! In other words the ECHR is s
t but until people civilise it is at least doing something. And my god I hope the UK exits the EU as soon as possibly, but it'll surely remain a member of the ECHR...The ECHR was largely drafted by David Maxwell Fyfe, later Viscount Kilmuir, a British Conservative lawyer who cross examined Goering at Nuremberg, served as Home Secretary and Lord Chancellor in postwar Tory Governments, and signed the death warrants of Derek Bentley and others. The ECHR reflects 1000 years of English/Scottish Common law, and is not an alien code.
The Strasbourg Court is political and weak in quality nowadays. I would favour having our Supreme Court deciding with finality on all ECHR cases. I would favour an entrenched UK Bill of Rights.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 6th October 09:47
essexplumber said:
So, have any bleeding heart lefties come out in support of him yet?
There has been an injustice done in the case of Babar Ahmed. The government may want to wrap all of these cases as the same but they clearly are not.
What has taken place with Babar Ahmed is absolutely shameful and in time his case will be studied by law students as an example of how our State behaved deplorably in the carrying out of justice.
RedTrident said:
There has been an injustice done in the case of Babar Ahmed.
The government may want to wrap all of these cases as the same but they clearly are not.
What has taken place with Babar Ahmed is absolutely shameful and in time his case will be studied by law students as an example of how our State behaved deplorably in the carrying out of justice.
Can you explain why ?The government may want to wrap all of these cases as the same but they clearly are not.
What has taken place with Babar Ahmed is absolutely shameful and in time his case will be studied by law students as an example of how our State behaved deplorably in the carrying out of justice.
Mr_B said:
Can you explain why ?
I don't doubt that there was just evidence to charge him with the crimes he's alleged to have commited. The simple fact is that he didn't commit any of these crimes in the USA. The webpage that he set up from his London home was hosted in the States. That is the only link to why he's being extradited.
Hamza meanwhile is accused of setting up terrorist camps whilst he was in the USA. Completely different and justifiable reason why he should be extradited.
RedTrident said:
Mr_B said:
Can you explain why ?
I don't doubt that there was just evidence to charge him with the crimes he's alleged to have commited. The simple fact is that he didn't commit any of these crimes in the USA. The webpage that he set up from his London home was hosted in the States. That is the only link to why he's being extradited.
Hamza meanwhile is accused of setting up terrorist camps whilst he was in the USA. Completely different and justifiable reason why he should be extradited.
RedTrident said:
I don't doubt that there was just evidence to charge him with the crimes he's alleged to have commited. The simple fact is that he didn't commit any of these crimes in the USA.
The webpage that he set up from his London home was hosted in the States. That is the only link to why he's being extradited.
Seems fair enough then. And as he appears to have been plotting to destroy US Navy vessels, their interest is clearly greater than ours.The webpage that he set up from his London home was hosted in the States. That is the only link to why he's being extradited.
You obviously have an agenda of some sort if you think that the removal of people like this from this country is anything other than A Good Thing.
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