Abu Hamza extradition halted .. again

Abu Hamza extradition halted .. again

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CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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We all need our bogeyman

Gecko1978

9,603 posts

156 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
Lock him up, sure, but look at all the (probably one handed) posting above about skinning him and so on. Some people need to go for a walk in the fresh air, perhaps. Don't worry, Hamza can't.
I am really lost how you see a problem with this. No one suggested skinning him rather lowering of lotion reminded me an others of the chracter in silince of the lambs.

he is given food water medical care access too legal representation and has had many hours in court. An yet you think myself an others need to have a breath of fresh air.....really. Abu H is treated fine. He is held in maximum security as befits his threat to society though radicalisation of others. He might not like it but most right thinking people don't like being stabbed blown up or run over by people who were influenced by this man an others like him.

I tried to make the above staid and unemotional because the facts really do speak for themsleves he is not being mistreated.

His current situation is entierly down to his own actions.

Goaty Bill 2

3,393 posts

118 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
I think that the guy is a scumbag and that his ideas are detestable, but isn't this stuff overkill? Deprive him of his liberty, keep him off the internet, and don't let him publish stuff. Anything more than that is merely vindictive and demeaning to a society which is objectively better than the one Hamza wishes for.
I almost hate to say it, but I can't help agreeing with you.
Accepting the descriptions from the article that people have posted, this is far too reminiscent of the stories of incarceration in the Lubyanka and other early Soviet prisons as recounted by Solzhenitsyn. It sickened and infuriated me to read of his experiences and those of others. I feel no better reading this.

That he should be, as you say, deprived of his liberty, refused access to the internet, prevented from publishing (or indeed making notes that could be published later), and denied contact with other prisoners or visitors is cruel but seemingly necessary and justified.
He is a dreadful, hate filled excuse for a human being who thrived on attempting to create others as hate filled and vile as himself.
Evil does exist and he is one example of the personification of it.

Keep him permanently isolated from all of society, but do not lower ourselves to his level.
If we can justify doing it once, someone will find away to justify doing it again, more frequently, and for lesser reasons. That is our history.


anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Gecko1978 said:
... No one suggested skinning him ...
Gecko1978 said:
reminds me of buffalo bill in silence of the lambs....are they going to skin Abu H. Oh well how sad never mind......
Short term memory issues?




Henners

12,230 posts

193 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Maybe the situation old Abu finds himself in actually does work.

It seems the whole running jihad from my cushy UK cell has changed to I actually don't like this US stuff, please send me back.

Might put some off.

julian64

14,317 posts

253 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Henners said:
Maybe the situation old Abu finds himself in actually does work.

It seems the whole running jihad from my cushy UK cell has changed to I actually don't like this US stuff, please send me back.

Might put some off.
I'm afraid I agree with this. No remorse means no prospect of rehabilitation. Best the chap can do for society is to be an advert for the consequences.

If he showed remorse or at least tried to modify his view he could probably be more help to society as a voice piece than languishing in prison, at which point I would probably change my mind.

Thorodin

2,459 posts

132 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Well if he is so badly off in solitary, and missing some company, let him go 'onto the wing'. With the full and friendly company of the typical guests in that particular neighbourhood he should feel right at home.

Gecko1978

9,603 posts

156 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
Gecko1978 said:
... No one suggested skinning him ...
Gecko1978 said:
reminds me of buffalo bill in silence of the lambs....are they going to skin Abu H. Oh well how sad never mind......
Short term memory issues?
no I did not suggest they should....I made a comical reference to a film with a similar scene. I do not think ,an i suspect others agree, he should be tortured etc rather his strict regime is down to the risk he poses by being allowed to have contact with others. The man is an evil poisonous and he has ended up there becuase of that.


Edited by Gecko1978 on Monday 18th December 16:54

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

98 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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julian64 said:
Henners said:
Maybe the situation old Abu finds himself in actually does work.

It seems the whole running jihad from my cushy UK cell has changed to I actually don't like this US stuff, please send me back.

Might put some off.
I'm afraid I agree with this. No remorse means no prospect of rehabilitation. Best the chap can do for society is to be an advert for the consequences.

If he showed remorse or at least tried to modify his view he could probably be more help to society as a voice piece than languishing in prison, at which point I would probably change my mind.
I agree too - he is the perfect person to be made an example of. He can't have contact with anyone else as his crime was basically persuasion. He can't do that if he can't communicate to others.

Other than his isolation, he should be adequately looked after in every way. In fact, I want him to stay healthy for a very long time. I hope he lives to 100.

Henners

12,230 posts

193 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Thorodin said:
Well if he is so badly off in solitary, and missing some company, let him go 'onto the wing'. With the full and friendly company of the typical guests in that particular neighbourhood he should feel right at home.
Like the heads of this organisation, who are also there.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Chill out Abu, you could be in Liverpool -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42310501

dandarez

13,246 posts

282 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Mothersruin said:
julian64 said:
Henners said:
Maybe the situation old Abu finds himself in actually does work.

It seems the whole running jihad from my cushy UK cell has changed to I actually don't like this US stuff, please send me back.

Might put some off.
I'm afraid I agree with this. No remorse means no prospect of rehabilitation. Best the chap can do for society is to be an advert for the consequences.

If he showed remorse or at least tried to modify his view he could probably be more help to society as a voice piece than languishing in prison, at which point I would probably change my mind.
I agree too - he is the perfect person to be made an example of. He can't have contact with anyone else as his crime was basically persuasion. He can't do that if he can't communicate to others.

Other than his isolation, he should be adequately looked after in every way. In fact, I want him to stay healthy for a very long time. I hope he lives to 100.
^^^^My sentiments.

scratchchin Funny how he now wants to return back to a place he apparently loathes?

Just one conclusion can be drawn from this - we are soft.
Second thoughts, make that far too soft.

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

158 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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There really are no words to describe how vile this person is.

He made his bed. Let him lie in it.

As per a poster above. I do hope he lives to be 100.

I would just love to see his face when he gets a congratulations card by the reigning monarch.

Starfighter

4,908 posts

177 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Troubleatmill said:
There really are no words to describe how vile this person is.

He made his bed. Let him lie in it.

As per a poster above. I do hope he lives to be 100.

I would just love to see his face when he gets a congratulations card by the reigning monarch.
Oh, yes please.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
Chill out Abu, you could be in Liverpool -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42310501
That's disgusting. Feel sorry for the people who have to work there.

98elise

26,376 posts

160 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Mothersruin said:
julian64 said:
Henners said:
Maybe the situation old Abu finds himself in actually does work.

It seems the whole running jihad from my cushy UK cell has changed to I actually don't like this US stuff, please send me back.

Might put some off.
I'm afraid I agree with this. No remorse means no prospect of rehabilitation. Best the chap can do for society is to be an advert for the consequences.

If he showed remorse or at least tried to modify his view he could probably be more help to society as a voice piece than languishing in prison, at which point I would probably change my mind.
I agree too - he is the perfect person to be made an example of. He can't have contact with anyone else as his crime was basically persuasion. He can't do that if he can't communicate to others.

Other than his isolation, he should be adequately looked after in every way. In fact, I want him to stay healthy for a very long time. I hope he lives to 100.
In the majority of cases ending up in prison is a consequence of your choices in life. You can't moan that you don't like the outcome when it's was completely within your power to avoid it.

Huff

3,141 posts

190 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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..he's on the hook, so's to speak.

Good.

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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The uk dealt with this st for over a decade. Kit gloves. Cost 3m quid. The US got him and the trial started 14 April 14. It took 5 weeks to lock him up for life. His kids are mostly locked up in the Middle East for terror issues. He’s a dangerous scumbag and I do hope he is miserable and lives a long and st life smile

Ph lawyers need not worry about his rights or treatment.

PRTVR

7,073 posts

220 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Burwood said:
The uk dealt with this st for over a decade. Kit gloves. Cost 3m quid. The US got him and the trial started 14 April 14. It took 5 weeks to lock him up for life. His kids are mostly locked up in the Middle East for terror issues. He’s a dangerous scumbag and I do hope he is miserable and lives a long and st life smile

Ph lawyers need not worry about his rights or treatment.
You don't realise we have the best legal system in the world and far cheaper than the US, I know these things because I was told by someone with inside information (BV) although honestly speaking I struggle to see how they could spend more than 3m in 5 weeks but what would I know.

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Monday 18th December 2017
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Most highly paid lawyers are nothing more than advocates for criminal enterprise. I make no judgement on our resident BV, who walks the line smile