Floating voter - UKIP why not?
Discussion
fbrs said:
Pesty said:
martin84 said:
B) Vote UKIP = get Labour.
I really really really fking hate this argument.UKIP, like many other fringe parties, have a manifesto and policies written by people who know they have zero chance of ever being held accountable to deliver on it. Even if you agree with it all on paper, funding for all these policies is solely based on us leaving the EU with no financial consequences or repercussions.
You cant walk out of a Contract and not expect to have to pay compensation of some form and I doubt leaving the EU would be any different.
Furhter more, I personally think leaving the EU is fundamentally flawed.
Anyway, here's what they "stand for":
http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/wwsf.pdf
You cant walk out of a Contract and not expect to have to pay compensation of some form and I doubt leaving the EU would be any different.
Furhter more, I personally think leaving the EU is fundamentally flawed.
Anyway, here's what they "stand for":
http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/wwsf.pdf
It doesn't really matter if some of their policy ideas are a bit off the wall, they're not going to form a government anyway. Labour are. It's just whether you waste your vote giving it to a lame duck Conservative party with no real policies or ideas anyway, or to UKIP whose ideology and direction is quite clear and distinctly conservative. I will vote UKIP for the message it sends to the Tories, who at the constituency level would love to do a deal with UKIP, but at the leadership level will not because for all their posturing and flag waving they are totally committed to being in the EU at any cost.
Another UKIP voter here!
I get annoyed by people that say they're not going to vote for them because it would be a wasted vote - if all the people that say that did voted for them it wouldn't be a wasted vote.
I'm no expert but I've had a quick read of their energy policy and think it makes sense.
http://ukip.org/media/policies/energy.pdf
I get annoyed by people that say they're not going to vote for them because it would be a wasted vote - if all the people that say that did voted for them it wouldn't be a wasted vote.
I'm no expert but I've had a quick read of their energy policy and think it makes sense.
http://ukip.org/media/policies/energy.pdf
Serendipity72 said:
The problem with single issue parties is that away from the main event they have some really nutty stuff. For instance Farage is a smoker so it is official UKIP policy to bring back smoking in pubs. Even though he doesn't say how the bar staff who would be poisoned by this should be compensated.
I've got to hand it to NuLabour, they did their job well.It's a thing called "freedom of choice", people died for it, I guess they were "nutty" too.
The Black Flash said:
Serendipity72 said:
The problem with single issue parties is that away from the main event they have some really nutty stuff. For instance Farage is a smoker so it is official UKIP policy to bring back smoking in pubs. Even though he doesn't say how the bar staff who would be poisoned by this should be compensated.
I've got to hand it to NuLabour, they did their job well.It's a thing called "freedom of choice", people alot of whom smoked fag and pipes died for it, I guess they were "nutty" too.
I agree it's nutty how well newspeak works though.
offendi said:
Would anyone voting for the UK Imbecile Party please emigrate - you are an embarrassment to the rest of the British people.
Thanks
Why are you embarassed by it? Quite interesting attitude this, and I have my own ideas about why you might feel that way, but would be interested to hear your reasoning (if any?) first?Thanks
Breadvan72 said:
UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos.
And you base this on what?As hearing what they have to say on immigration is driven you anything but racism
They merely state why can we only limit those coming into the UK from outside the EU. They merely want to be able to choose who comes into the country no matter where they come from.
But carry on with the insults it merely shows you are losing the debate
skeggysteve said:
Another UKIP voter here!
I get annoyed by people that say they're not going to vote for them because it would be a wasted vote - if all the people that say that did voted for them it wouldn't be a wasted vote.
You are absolutely wasting your vote in a General Election, until we have a form of PR.I get annoyed by people that say they're not going to vote for them because it would be a wasted vote - if all the people that say that did voted for them it wouldn't be a wasted vote.
You are absolutely not wasting your vote in EU Parliamentary elections as we have a form of PR in that, and UKIP (and other minority parties) win the representation their vote deserves. Funny how PR is good enough for European elections, but not UK Parliamentary ones. It will always remain so due to the vested interest in the status quo which the Tory and Labour parties have. Turkeys, Christmas.
Minority parties can not become influential parties in the UK under FPTP. In a recent referendum, I'm afraid to say that the majority vote was in favour of the status quo, if I remember correctly, so if we lament the current situation in this regard, we have only ourselves to blame. We had the chance to initiate electoral reform, and blew it. Meanwhile, the Tories continue to block electoral/constitutional reform.
Well done, everyone. Not.
thinfourth2 said:
And you base this on what?
As hearing what they have to say on immigration is driven you anything but racism
They merely state why can we only limit those coming into the UK from outside the EU. They merely want to be able to choose who comes into the country no matter where they come from.
But carry on with the insults it merely shows you are losing the debate
I don't often do it, but I agree with what Thinforth2 says completelyAs hearing what they have to say on immigration is driven you anything but racism
They merely state why can we only limit those coming into the UK from outside the EU. They merely want to be able to choose who comes into the country no matter where they come from.
But carry on with the insults it merely shows you are losing the debate
thinfourth2 said:
Breadvan72 said:
UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos.
And you base this on what?As hearing what they have to say on immigration is driven you anything but racism
They merely state why can we only limit those coming into the UK from outside the EU. They merely want to be able to choose who comes into the country no matter where they come from.
But carry on with the insults it merely shows you are losing the debate
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