Floating voter - UKIP why not?

[otolith]

Breadvan72 said:

UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos.

The BNP is ideologically closer to Labour than it is to UKIP.

[anonymous-user]

Fittster said:

Breadvan72 said:

See also:-


http://cep.rhul.ac.uk/cep-blog/2012/6/20/ukip-in-a...

Do you think the Conservative party is anti-semitic?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservat...

I have met individual Tories who are anti Semitic, and think that Cameron made a serious error of judgment in the matter linked to, but I don't think that the Party overall is anti-semitic. One function of UKIP may, perhaps, be to draw some of the real nasties out of the Tory Party, and maybe that is a good thing.

[eharding]

thinfourth2 said:

Breadvan72 said:

UKIP propagates a lot of misinformation about the EU, and plays on xenophobic feelings amongst voters. This analysis of its voter profile is quite interesting:-


http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/06/25/euros...

Okay you have made me realise i am a racist xenophobe

Who should i vote for

red labour, yellow labour or blue labour?

How about the SNP? - if you're that keen on swivel-eyed Nationalists, why not try something equally parochial as UKIP, but with a more regional flavour?

[VoziKaoFangio]

otolith said:

The BNP is ideologically closer to Labour than it is to UKIP.

How on Earth can the Greens be considered the most Libertarian party in the UK? Am I reading this diagram wrong?

[otolith]

VoziKaoFangio said:

How on Earth can the Greens be considered the most Libertarian party in the UK? Am I reading this diagram wrong?

Simply because the questions on which the assessment is made do not include the aspects in which the Greens are authoritarian.

[Fittster]

Breadvan72 said:

Fittster said:

Breadvan72 said:

See also:-


http://cep.rhul.ac.uk/cep-blog/2012/6/20/ukip-in-a...

Do you think the Conservative party is anti-semitic?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservat...

I have met individual Tories who are anti Semitic, and think that Cameron made a serious error of judgment in the matter linked to, but I don't think that the Party overall is anti-semitic. One function of UKIP may, perhaps, be to draw some of the real nasties out of the Tory Party, and maybe that is a good thing.

Do you the 'nasty elements' in the Conservative / UKIP are larger proportionally than exist within the wider UK society?

I can't help feeling that you use the term nasty in an attempt to demonize views you disagree with.

[anonymous-user]

I disagree with disliking foreigners on principle, homophobia, and other typically far right positions. I think that they can fairly he described as nasty.

[AJS-]

Breadvan72 said:

UKIP propagates a lot of misinformation about the EU, and plays on xenophobic feelings amongst voters. This analysis of its voter profile is quite interesting:-


http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/06/25/euros...

And Gordon Brown's "British jobs for British workers" doesn't?

Or the Tory's various posturing and flag waving over Europe.

[eharding]

VoziKaoFangio said:

otolith said:

The BNP is ideologically closer to Labour than it is to UKIP.

How on Earth can the Greens be considered the most Libertarian party in the UK? Am I reading this diagram wrong?

You might as well sprinkle Smarties on a slice of Battenburg and try to pass it off as a piece of political insight.

[VoziKaoFangio]

otolith said:

VoziKaoFangio said:

How on Earth can the Greens be considered the most Libertarian party in the UK? Am I reading this diagram wrong?

Simply because the questions on which the assessment is made do not include the aspects in which the Greens are authoritarian.

Oh. Well that invalidates the whole diagram, doesn't it? I mean, if it doesn't cover the scope of each party's policies completely.

[anonymous-user]

There are always votes in xenophobia, and each party tries to wrap itself in the flag from time to time. Stealing each other's thunder is part of the game. Milliband currently thinks that he is Disraeli.

[thinfourth2]

eharding said:

thinfourth2 said:

Breadvan72 said:

UKIP propagates a lot of misinformation about the EU, and plays on xenophobic feelings amongst voters. This analysis of its voter profile is quite interesting:-


http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/06/25/euros...

Okay you have made me realise i am a racist xenophobe

Who should i vote for

red labour, yellow labour or blue labour?

How about the SNP? - if you're that keen on swivel-eyed Nationalists, why not try something equally parochial as UKIP, but with a more regional flavour?

but that would make me a racist xenophobe little scotlander so voting SNP would be virtually pointless


Also You will discover the SNP are very keen on the EU


As normal you can't pick apart anything UKIP sayes so you resort to insults

[otolith]

VoziKaoFangio said:

otolith said:

VoziKaoFangio said:

How on Earth can the Greens be considered the most Libertarian party in the UK? Am I reading this diagram wrong?

Simply because the questions on which the assessment is made do not include the aspects in which the Greens are authoritarian.

Oh. Well that invalidates the whole diagram, doesn't it? I mean, if it doesn't cover the scope of each party's policies completely.

It looks at the concerns of mainstream politics - so the libertarian-authoritarian axis concerns social issues like sexuality, abortion, freedom of expression, etc, on which the Greens are generally very liberal. The Green hobby-horses in which it is particularly illiberal are not well represented in this analysis. I don't think it invalidates the analysis, you just need to understand what it represents.

[AJS-]

Breadvan72 said:

There are always votes in xenophobia, and each party tries to wrap itself in the flag from time to time. Stealing each other's thunder is part of the game. Milliband currently thinks that he is Disraeli.

So why pin the label on UKIP then?

Lazy assumption that not liking the EU equates to not liking foreigners, perhaps?

[anonymous-user]

Nope, far from it. I would like the UK to leave the EU and join EFTA. Take a realistic look at the policies and voter profiles of UKIP. Its supporters get very fraught and shouty whenever it is suggested that the party is an extremist party, but its platform and associations support this criticism.

[thinfourth2]

Okay a question to the right on crowd who hate the UKIP and are desperate to show how much they aren't racist


Lets step away from the europe issue


I really really don't belive in global warming

Who should i vote for?

As i can't vote UKIP as that would make me racist

[otolith]

eharding said:

You might as well sprinkle Smarties on a slice of Battenburg and try to pass it off as a piece of political insight.

The BNP is economically left wing. UKIP is economically right wing. The BNP is much more socially authoritarian than UKIP. What of that do you disagree with?

[AshVX220]

I'll be voting UKIP, in fact I am considering whether to actually join them and even stand.

From small seeds, big trees grow. All the time that people are voting tactically instead of what they believe, the big 3 won't learn and our form of democracy won't work. In order for democracy to work, those that wish to represent us must properly undertsand what we want and by tactically voting you deny them the ability to see what the nation wants. So, they only have the media to guide them and we all know where the majority of our media stand.

Yes, UKIP are a minority party at present, but if they start to gain votes and gain ground then in a few years their influence may be greater and the media will be unable to ignore them. At this point they'll gain more ground and may become one of the big four, eventually fighting for seats on a par with the current big three or doing better.

Cameron has said he'll hold a referendum on the EU after the next GE, that is a very cheap attempt at clawing back the UKIP voters and it won't work, we all know underneath, he's more green'ish red, than blue.

A tactical vote is a wasted vote, because it denies the chance for politicians to accurately read the nations feeling, you cannot rely on the media in this country to do that for you. You should always vote for the party who's policies you most agree with, that is what democracy is and when we all fail to do this (for our wonderful tactical reasons), we have only ourselves to blame when democracy doesn't work and the government gets in.

[VoziKaoFangio]

otolith said:

VoziKaoFangio said:

otolith said:

VoziKaoFangio said:

How on Earth can the Greens be considered the most Libertarian party in the UK? Am I reading this diagram wrong?

Simply because the questions on which the assessment is made do not include the aspects in which the Greens are authoritarian.

Oh. Well that invalidates the whole diagram, doesn't it? I mean, if it doesn't cover the scope of each party's policies completely.

It looks at the concerns of mainstream politics - so the libertarian-authoritarian axis concerns social issues like sexuality, abortion, freedom of expression, etc, on which the Greens are generally very liberal. The Green hobby-horses in which it is particularly illiberal are not well represented in this analysis. I don't think it invalidates the analysis, you just need to understand what it represents.

Oh, OK. Your original post doesn't explain this, just presents the diagram, which I took to be a diagrammatic representation of each party's entire policy. If the Green's illiberal hobby-horses aren't accounted for, then it's not much use as a general guide to where a party sites on the axis, and I presume that's also the case for all the other parties.

Thanks for the clarification.

[otolith]

VoziKaoFangio said:

Oh, OK. Your original post doesn't explain this, just presents the diagram, which I took to be a diagrammatic representation of each party's entire policy. If the Green's illiberal hobby-horses aren't accounted for, then it's not much use as a general guide to where a party sites on the axis, and I presume that's also the case for all the other parties.

Thanks for the clarification.

I assumed most people had come across it before, sorry about that. If you haven't, you may find it interesting to go through the questionaire it is based on and see where the results place you;

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test