Ofgem warns of blackouts within 3 years
Discussion
superlightr said:
So home generators - Any sugegstions as to what to get? Combination of things? - Serious question.
first i believe it would be a good idea to calculate/measure the peak load you will ever put onto the system.once that is established, a nice genny of the appropriate rating will do nicely
if you have a forest backing onto the rear of your house, a steam engine would be awesome
Blib said:
We already have the generating stations ready. The coal stations currently under thread of closure, could be adapted to use gas and we'd be home free.
The coal stations are throwing money at converting to run on 100% biomass in order to stay open. Though at a meeting last month, I was informed that a certain power station would need to burn a forest the size of Yorkshire and Lancashire combined every year to meet its biomass requirements.I doubt it is economically viable to convert a coal station to run on gas.
Easy solution to this one.
Commence planning and preparation for new nuclear powerstations.
Invite objections from joe public.
Anyone lodging an objection has their household power supply regulated to ensure that those who aren't blinkered hippy tts don't suffer brown/blackouts.
Everyone's a winner!
Commence planning and preparation for new nuclear powerstations.
Invite objections from joe public.
Anyone lodging an objection has their household power supply regulated to ensure that those who aren't blinkered hippy tts don't suffer brown/blackouts.
Everyone's a winner!
BigMacDaddy said:
Easy solution to this one.
Commence planning and preparation for new nuclear powerstations.
Invite objections from joe public.
Anyone lodging an objection has their household power supply regulated to ensure that those who aren't blinkered hippy tts don't suffer brown/blackouts.
Everyone's a winner!
With all the green energy options around I'd be interested to know how many times the electricity from the wind mills/solar panels etc is soldCommence planning and preparation for new nuclear powerstations.
Invite objections from joe public.
Anyone lodging an objection has their household power supply regulated to ensure that those who aren't blinkered hippy tts don't suffer brown/blackouts.
Everyone's a winner!
Blib said:
I have no idea how long it takes to build and commission a nuclear power station. However, I would assume that a gas fired station is easier, cheaper and quicker to get to electricity production.
Somewhere between 8-12 years for nuclear compared to 4-6 for coal/gas.We need to build something (ideally, half a dozen somethings) and we need to have started last year.
There are (I think) 6 sites already pre-approved for new nuclear power stations (Sellafield certainly) and essentially just need the funding approved.
dont worry, ITER will be up and running sometime in 2019
lets hope they solve the puzzle
http://www.iter.org/faq
lets hope they solve the puzzle
http://www.iter.org/faq
superlightr said:
So home generators - Any sugegstions as to what to get? Combination of things? - Serious question.
Serious answerStart a thread down in the homes and garden section
it really depends what you want it to do
We have a pokey wee honda thing that gets rolled out of the garage when we have our yearly powercut. Its a wee air cooled job which has enough juice to run the fridges, the central heating/cooker (aga type oil fired), the well pump and lights.
Mojocvh said:
Couple of points.
1.Could you be so kind as to detail the levels of subsidy that the nuclear industry has had since it's inception?
2. What has the nuclear industry done for the last 20 years ? [ apart from sit on it's subsidised profits and watch it's infrastructure crumble around itself].
thankx.
but no thanxs.
Whilst I'm not actually in the pay of the nuclear lobby, nor the military-industrial complex, I do hold a candle for nuclear power. But if either group wants to slip me a bung please PM first...1.Could you be so kind as to detail the levels of subsidy that the nuclear industry has had since it's inception?
2. What has the nuclear industry done for the last 20 years ? [ apart from sit on it's subsidised profits and watch it's infrastructure crumble around itself].
thankx.
but no thanxs.
A lot of very big numbers are routinely touted for the cost of nuclear, particularly the de-commissioning. Currently taking place at Dounreay I believe. But who is doing it and where is the money going? If a private company or PLC were working on a contract paying x billion for the next 25 years would we not have heard of it? Or, if totally in-house then the numbers would be published by the relevant department.
I'm not saying it is not happening, but try finding where all this money is going and it is not immediately obvious. They wouldn't lie to us, would they?
m8rky said:
Now I remember sitting in Geography in the late 70's and watching a film that promised the Nuclear power plants would provide abundant free power for all.
I guess I was lied to?
Not really, if they hadn't closed down the old ones instead of replacing them we'd be enjoying it now....unfortunately the fking Greens seem to be influential in Parliament.I guess I was lied to?
"Ofgem warns of blackouts within 3 years" I think PH was warning about it 5 years ago
The Don of Croy said:
Whilst I'm not actually in the pay of the nuclear lobby, nor the military-industrial complex, I do hold a candle for nuclear power. But if either group wants to slip me a bung please PM first...
A lot of very big numbers are routinely touted for the cost of nuclear, particularly the de-commissioning. Currently taking place at Dounreay I believe. But who is doing it and where is the money going? If a private company or PLC were working on a contract paying x billion for the next 25 years would we not have heard of it? Or, if totally in-house then the numbers would be published by the relevant department.
I'm not saying it is not happening, but try finding where all this money is going and it is not immediately obvious. They wouldn't lie to us, would they?
Amec, Doosan Babcock, Jacobs, Atkins, WYG, Carillion & Mott (tee hee) MacDonald to name but a few. There are a lot of companies involved in the nuclear sector, all taking reasonable chunks of work and all employing a lot of staff so the money is going back into the economy.A lot of very big numbers are routinely touted for the cost of nuclear, particularly the de-commissioning. Currently taking place at Dounreay I believe. But who is doing it and where is the money going? If a private company or PLC were working on a contract paying x billion for the next 25 years would we not have heard of it? Or, if totally in-house then the numbers would be published by the relevant department.
I'm not saying it is not happening, but try finding where all this money is going and it is not immediately obvious. They wouldn't lie to us, would they?
Blib said:
Thanks for that bit of information. How long would it take to build and commission a new gas power station?
Containerised GT sets can be on your doorstep in hours, planning and delivery times not withstanding something like a GE H series producing 500MW could be installed inside six months.hidetheelephants said:
Blib said:
Thanks for that bit of information. How long would it take to build and commission a new gas power station?
Containerised GT sets can be on your doorstep in hours, planning and delivery times not withstanding something like a GE H series producing 500MW could be installed inside six months.However, due to undemocratic pressure groups and their "chicken little" hyperbole, that solution is not available to the nation.
If I had a cat, I'd kick it.
Blib said:
Blimey. So, we have a simple solution to this most pressing of problems. New gas fired stations powered by our own supply of shale gas.
However, due to undemocratic pressure groups and their "chicken little" hyperbole, that solution is not available to the nation.
If I had a cat, I'd kick it.
Wouldn't be the cat's fault; give a Greenie a good shoeing!However, due to undemocratic pressure groups and their "chicken little" hyperbole, that solution is not available to the nation.
If I had a cat, I'd kick it.
Blib said:
hidetheelephants said:
Blib said:
Thanks for that bit of information. How long would it take to build and commission a new gas power station?
Containerised GT sets can be on your doorstep in hours, planning and delivery times not withstanding something like a GE H series producing 500MW could be installed inside six months.However, due to undemocratic pressure groups and their "chicken little" hyperbole, that solution is not available to the nation.
If I had a cat, I'd kick it.
Apache said:
Blib said:
hidetheelephants said:
Blib said:
Thanks for that bit of information. How long would it take to build and commission a new gas power station?
Containerised GT sets can be on your doorstep in hours, planning and delivery times not withstanding something like a GE H series producing 500MW could be installed inside six months.However, due to undemocratic pressure groups and their "chicken little" hyperbole, that solution is not available to the nation.
If I had a cat, I'd kick it.
thinfourth2 said:
superlightr said:
So home generators - Any sugegstions as to what to get? Combination of things? - Serious question.
Serious answerStart a thread down in the homes and garden section
it really depends what you want it to do
We have a pokey wee honda thing that gets rolled out of the garage when we have our yearly powercut. Its a wee air cooled job which has enough juice to run the fridges, the central heating/cooker (aga type oil fired), the well pump and lights.
More than enough to run my house on a reduced basis and I get 12 hours from a small tank of fuel.
Cost a couple of grand three or more years ago and only been used twice in anger but I thought it may be used at home at some stage so had the house wired with a switch to move form mains to generator as need be. It does help I have LED lights throughout the rooms with down lighters and low energy throughout the rest of the house so the draw is four 5's of f-all.
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