Cocktail of liquid nitrogen - Girl has stomach removed
Discussion
otolith said:
jmorgan said:
People have a genral idea that boiling water and fire are bad. They may not be so knowledgable about other things.
That is a reason for ensuring that anyone handling cryogenic substances for the preparation of food or drinks is properly trained, not a reason for not doing it.
RealSquirrels said:
people make drinks with boiling water and set fire to alcoholic drinks too - and nobody would drink those drinks in that state. how is the situation here conceptually different?
I'll say it again. "You may recall the famous McDonalds coffee scalding case in 1994. Mrs Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchisees to serve coffee at 82–88 °C. At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds. The jury awarded Liebeck nearly $3 million in punitive damages."Ozzie Osmond said:
I'll say it again. "You may recall the famous McDonalds coffee scalding case in 1994. Mrs Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchisees to serve coffee at 82–88 °C. At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds. The jury awarded Liebeck nearly $3 million in punitive damages."
I will say it again; "And what conclusions do you draw from that US civil case (which is often paraded as an example of US liability culture gone feral) about what should be available in a bar in Lancaster, UK?"
That case is utterly irrelevant.
Ozzie Osmond said:
RealSquirrels said:
people make drinks with boiling water and set fire to alcoholic drinks too - and nobody would drink those drinks in that state. how is the situation here conceptually different?
I'll say it again. "You may recall the famous McDonalds coffee scalding case in 1994. Mrs Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchisees to serve coffee at 82–88 °C. At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds. The jury awarded Liebeck nearly $3 million in punitive damages."
RealSquirrels said:
people make drinks with boiling water and set fire to alcoholic drinks too - and nobody would drink those drinks in that state. how is the situation here conceptually different?
See my post earlier.We use lots of potentially hazzardous and dangerous substances every day. And because we are used to handling them, we (generally) know what we to do and what not to do with them.
Liquid Nitrogen is not a substance the vast bulk of us ever have to handle in our day to day lives. If we are to be exposed to such substances in unusual circumstances - such as in a bar - we should expect that those who are in charge of the bar will be completely up to speed on the does and don'ts - and advise us accordingly.
Eric Mc said:
If we are to be exposed to such substances in unusual circumstances - such as in a bar - we should expect that those who are in charge of the bar will be completely up to speed on the does and don'ts - and advise us accordingly.
If you buy a drink in a bar which the bar staff have used liquid nitrogen to prepare, you should be able to be confident that when they give it to you it will be in a safe state to drink.
Liquid nitrogen has no place in a bar, if it wasn't obvious already that bar staff are in no position to guarantee anything due to their limited understanding and competence level then the people around with no stomach or only part of one, who recovered from collapsed lung(s) and spent time in hospital with life threatening injuries, then it ought to be obvious now. If any situation was 'guaranteed' then in this case the guarantee is an easy ride for Darwin.
I suppose anti freeze in wine was OK until they discovered it.......
I really do not know what they were doing but I would not go near a cocktail with something I had no knowledge about. Done the fire drinks (the trick is to blow it out.....), I drink tea, hot and even put ice in some drinks (oooooooh dangerous...). But I do know liquid gases are in the category whereby they are treated with caution. I would want to see some evidence of competence that it is used in a safe way, and cheap gimmicks in a bar is not one of them unless they can prove it.
I really do not know what they were doing but I would not go near a cocktail with something I had no knowledge about. Done the fire drinks (the trick is to blow it out.....), I drink tea, hot and even put ice in some drinks (oooooooh dangerous...). But I do know liquid gases are in the category whereby they are treated with caution. I would want to see some evidence of competence that it is used in a safe way, and cheap gimmicks in a bar is not one of them unless they can prove it.
Symbolica said:
hollydog said:
RealSquirrels said:
people make drinks with boiling water and set fire to alcoholic drinks too - and nobody would drink those drinks in that state. how is the situation here conceptually different?
interesting point. How many would neck a just boiled drink.
k will she live without a stomach? How will she digest food?Digestion doesn't just take place in the stomach - so she will be able to digest food. Her system will just not be as efficient as it was - and she will probably have to use the loo a lot more often.
I know someone who has lost part of her stomach and part of her large intestine (through illness - not a silly drinking accident).
It is not a good situation and it will indeed, be a life changing incident.
I know someone who has lost part of her stomach and part of her large intestine (through illness - not a silly drinking accident).
It is not a good situation and it will indeed, be a life changing incident.
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