Cocktail of liquid nitrogen - Girl has stomach removed
Discussion
turbobloke said:
At a guess the bar monkeys doing this have forgetten about the insulating properties of nitrogen gas and never heard of latent heat of vapourisation, not to mention the expansion by volume that occurs on vapourisation.
To be fair, if they knew about all that then they probably wouldn't be working in a bar.mrmr96 said:
turbobloke said:
Faced at her age with an offer of a drink with liquid nitrogen freshly poured into it, I might have died but only from laughing at the fkwit expecting me to drink from it.
Not everyone knows the dangerous of a substance like this - so if the barman/her mates told her it was safe then her error was only in being too trusting.If anybody said it was safe, they need locking up. Ignorance is no defence.
turbobloke said:
When somebody's brain is missing something or in neutral or judgement is impaired by alcohol, they do stupid things including potentially fatal things and this is one of them. Reading the article I had some sympathy but the overriding feeling had more to do with Darwin. Faced at her age with an offer of a drink with liquid nitrogen freshly poured into it, I might have died but only from laughing at the fkwit expecting me to drink from it. Maybe our edookashun differs a lot. At a guess the bar monkeys doing this have forgetten about the insulating properties of nitrogen gas and never heard of latent heat of vapourisation, not to mention the expansion by volume that occurs on vapourisation. I reckon the whole lot are still mysteries, given that knowing anything is uncool, so the risk remains and there will probably be a repeat incident somewhere before long.
I ate at the Fat Duck last year (Heston's restaurant). The waitress had full on protection, and open a big shiny cylinder, very carefully, and poured it into a bowl. She then squirted foam onto a spoon, dunked it in the bowl and immediately handed it to me to take off the spoon (with my hands) and eat straight away.Now, I was hesitant, but "knew" they wouldn't do anything to kill me, and had seen many have it before.
My point is that people have used nitrogen in cooking and so it's not a million miles away. Yes she drank it, and a lot of it though.
Symbolica said:
turbobloke said:
At a guess the bar monkeys doing this have forgetten about the insulating properties of nitrogen gas and never heard of latent heat of vapourisation, not to mention the expansion by volume that occurs on vapourisation.
To be fair, if they knew about all that then they probably wouldn't be working in a bar.turbobloke said:
mrmr96 said:
turbobloke said:
Faced at her age with an offer of a drink with liquid nitrogen freshly poured into it, I might have died but only from laughing at the fkwit expecting me to drink from it.
Not everyone knows the dangerous of a substance like this - so if the barman/her mates told her it was safe then her error was only in being too trusting.If anybody said it was safe, they need locking up. Ignorance is no defence.
I'm surprised nobody has noticed that something isn't right.
see for the LN to get INTO her stomach, it needs to pass through the lips, mouth, and down the tube to her stomach.
Now. If it froze her stomach, why no mention of anything between lips and stomach.
I reckon it's more likely that the stomach rupture was completely unrelated...
Standard alcoholic abuse maybe, or just because.
see for the LN to get INTO her stomach, it needs to pass through the lips, mouth, and down the tube to her stomach.
Now. If it froze her stomach, why no mention of anything between lips and stomach.
I reckon it's more likely that the stomach rupture was completely unrelated...
Standard alcoholic abuse maybe, or just because.
TonyHetherington said:
turbobloke said:
When somebody's brain is missing something or in neutral or judgement is impaired by alcohol, they do stupid things including potentially fatal things and this is one of them. Reading the article I had some sympathy but the overriding feeling had more to do with Darwin. Faced at her age with an offer of a drink with liquid nitrogen freshly poured into it, I might have died but only from laughing at the fkwit expecting me to drink from it. Maybe our edookashun differs a lot. At a guess the bar monkeys doing this have forgetten about the insulating properties of nitrogen gas and never heard of latent heat of vapourisation, not to mention the expansion by volume that occurs on vapourisation. I reckon the whole lot are still mysteries, given that knowing anything is uncool, so the risk remains and there will probably be a repeat incident somewhere before long.
I ate at the Fat Duck last year (Heston's restaurant). The waitress had full on protection, and open a big shiny cylinder, very carefully, and poured it into a bowl. She then squirted foam onto a spoon, dunked it in the bowl and immediately handed it to me to take off the spoon (with my hands) and eat straight away.techguyone said:
I'm surprised nobody has noticed that something isn't right.
see for the LN to get INTO her stomach, it needs to pass through the lips, mouth, and down the tube to her stomach.
Now. If it froze her stomach, why no mention of anything between lips and stomach.
I reckon it's more likely that the stomach rupture was completely unrelated...
Standard alcoholic abuse maybe, or just because.
On contact with something warm, a blob of liquid nitrogen will acquire a surface layer of nitrogen gas around it or at least near the surface in contact with something warmer, and although the gas is still cold, the key point is that this gas layer will assist passage along somebody's tubes to any nearby resting place which is sealed off in some way e.g. a stomach. see for the LN to get INTO her stomach, it needs to pass through the lips, mouth, and down the tube to her stomach.
Now. If it froze her stomach, why no mention of anything between lips and stomach.
I reckon it's more likely that the stomach rupture was completely unrelated...
Standard alcoholic abuse maybe, or just because.
As such, if a slug of liquid nitrogen remained in the drink, most of it will have found its way into her stomach, at which point she was about to be potentially fatally injured.
mrmr96 said:
SystemParanoia said:
"liquid nitrogen is a toxic chemicalsubstance. It destroys human tissue."
FPMSL! eeerm no its not.. we breath it all day every day lmao!
Nitrogen is fine. Liquid Nitrogen is not - it WILL destroy human tissue. Not because it's Nitrogen, but because it's cold. Slightly sloppy journalism though, yes.FPMSL! eeerm no its not.. we breath it all day every day lmao!
I expect the Fat Duck also uses gas flames to process food - doesn't make it any less dim to try to drink a cocktail which was recently on fire and then think someone else is to blame when you burn your mouth on the rim of the glass.
UF said:
linky
"A teenager has had emergency surgery to remove her stomach after drinking a cocktail containing liquid nitrogen
The 18-year-old is reported to have become breathless and developed severe stomach pain before being taken to Royal Lancaster Infirmary.
Officers say she would have died if doctors had not performed the operation."
"A teenager has had emergency surgery to remove her stomach after drinking a cocktail containing liquid nitrogen
The 18-year-old is reported to have become breathless and developed severe stomach pain before being taken to Royal Lancaster Infirmary.
Officers say she would have died if doctors had not performed the operation."
turbobloke said:
You put frozen foam in your mouth at your own risk, not liquid nitrogen.
Oh I realise - it was frozen foam rather than nitrogen (I assume that long burnt away the moment it was in atmostphere), but even so - I blindly followed someone telling me to put it in my mouth (please don't misquote this).Breathless - either the pressure from production of gas in her abdomen will have prevented inhalation due to her diaphragm being forced up and held in the exhale position, or a lung collapsed very quickly due to the pressure change, or both lungs, or all three things. Large volumes of gas produced in a short space of time will have very quickly perforated bits of her stomach that were still squishy. Medics ought to be able to advise on the detail here.
Somebody asked if I blame her - people are free to inflict harm on themselves in full knowledge of the facts, or in complete ignorance, and in both situations they are also free to pay the price. When it's down to ignorance then my view is exactly as I posted originally, some sympathy but also respect for the tireless efforts of Darwin.
Somebody asked if I blame her - people are free to inflict harm on themselves in full knowledge of the facts, or in complete ignorance, and in both situations they are also free to pay the price. When it's down to ignorance then my view is exactly as I posted originally, some sympathy but also respect for the tireless efforts of Darwin.
TonyHetherington said:
turbobloke said:
You put frozen foam in your mouth at your own risk, not liquid nitrogen.
Oh I realise - it was frozen foam rather than nitrogen (I assume that long burnt away the moment it was in atmostphere), but even so - I blindly followed someone telling me to put it in my mouth (please don't misquote this).Humour in adversity etc.
SystemParanoia said:
TonyHetherington said:
One time at band camp... - I blindly followed someone telling me to put it in my mouth (please don't misquote this).
Everything is relative
ShampooEfficient said:
I may be misremembering, but I'm sure I've made icecream with liquid nitrogen. At school, under the supervision of a Bill Oddie lookalike.
Possibly so, my guess is that you ate the ice cream but did not drink the liquid nitrogen?I think it's very unfair to blame her for this. If you were at a bar on your 18th birthday, having a fun night out, and ordered a drink - no matter how gimmicky it was - you'd expect it to be safe. You wouldn't expect to be waking up in a hospital bed a few hours later without a stomach and having to live with the consequences for the rest of your life.
turbobloke said:
ShampooEfficient said:
I may be misremembering, but I'm sure I've made icecream with liquid nitrogen. At school, under the supervision of a Bill Oddie lookalike.
Possibly so, my guess is that you ate the ice cream but did not drink the liquid nitrogen?turbobloke said:
techguyone said:
I'm surprised nobody has noticed that something isn't right.
see for the LN to get INTO her stomach, it needs to pass through the lips, mouth, and down the tube to her stomach.
Now. If it froze her stomach, why no mention of anything between lips and stomach.
I reckon it's more likely that the stomach rupture was completely unrelated...
Standard alcoholic abuse maybe, or just because.
On contact with something warm, a blob of liquid nitrogen will acquire a surface layer of nitrogen gas around it or at least near the surface in contact with something warmer, and although the gas is still cold, the key point is that this gas layer will assist passage along somebody's tubes to any nearby resting place which is sealed off in some way e.g. a stomach. see for the LN to get INTO her stomach, it needs to pass through the lips, mouth, and down the tube to her stomach.
Now. If it froze her stomach, why no mention of anything between lips and stomach.
I reckon it's more likely that the stomach rupture was completely unrelated...
Standard alcoholic abuse maybe, or just because.
As such, if a slug of liquid nitrogen remained in the drink, most of it will have found its way into her stomach, at which point she was about to be potentially fatally injured.
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