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Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

159 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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Countdown said:
Troubleatmill said:
Don't take my word for the 84%. Quilliam Foundation - British Asians - came up with it. Read their report.

This is a grooming gang thread.
What you need is start some threads on Catholic Priests, Scoutmasters, Care Home Workers and Radio 1 DJ's and I will happily contribute.

Sound fair?
I didn't doubt what you said about the 84% figure. i was asking if you knew what the stats were for the other types of CSE.

Does what was done by catholic priests or scoutmasters not relate to grooming? I'm happy to contribute to any threads about them but they don't seem to gain as much traction on PH, or certainly their ethnic background doesn't. Possibly because people don't see it as relevant.
The threat has the word "gang".
Can't recall a thread on Scoutmasters on here. But there have been a few about the Catholic Church and Priests. I have been quite vocal on those.
But - start some threads - and get the ball rolling.

Countdown

39,821 posts

196 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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Troubleatmill said:
The threat has the word "gang". .
AIUI the vast majority of them weren't in any "gang" as such. they simply shared the same occupation (taxi drivers seemed quite common) so they're as much a gang as Catholic priests or scoutmasters or DJs/celebrities.

Pedantry aside, it doesn't really matter what the occupation was, or even what the ethnicity was. As I'm sure we all agree, they deserve locking up for a long time.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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Troubleatmill said:
Alpinestars said:
Troubleatmill said:
Alpinestars said:
Troubleatmill said:
Yes I do. I cannot make it clearer - Scum is scum.

Just because you make insinuations that I don't - doesn't make it true.

Now go forth white knight- and deflect criticism against the 84% of Grooming Gangs that are drugging and raping the good children of the UK.
What’s the demographic for the other abusers I highlighted? I’m sure you have the percentage at your fingertips as you’re such a white knight for victims of sexual abuse.
Read the Quillian report smile

And if you remember - when you callout the the Welsh? Brother, sister and friend child abusers - I called them scum.

The difference between you and me - is you are in denial that there is an issue in your communities own back yard.
You try to deflect every single piece of criticism.

At least the Quillian authors had to courage to state there is an issue.

And so it is really clear. SCUM IS SCUM.
The difference between us is that I condemn sexual abuse no matter who commits it. You only pipe up when it's a certain demographic. You're more concerned by who commits the abuse, than the abuse itself. I don't see you being so vociferous about all the other abuse that has been heavily reported recently. Or have I got that wrong?
You got it wrong.

It is just 84% are carried out by a certain demographic - you get to see that more.

Abuse is abuse - and whoever carries it out is scum.

Am I clear?
It's clear that you "care" wink

Now, stats, do you have those other stats at you let fingertips? Being a white knight and all that. Or do those stats not bother you?

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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Troubleatmill said:
The threat has the word "gang".
Can't recall a thread on Scoutmasters on here. But there have been a few about the Catholic Church and Priests. I have been quite vocal on those.
But - start some threads - and get the ball rolling.
Oh dear. Maybe not such a white knight after all.

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

159 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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Alpinestars said:
Oh dear. Maybe not such a white knight after all.
I'm not trying to protect any member of society fella.
You are smile

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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Troubleatmill said:
Alpinestars said:
Oh dear. Maybe not such a white knight after all.
I'm not trying to protect any member of society fella.
You are smile
Where are the stats? Because surely it must bother you just as much that boys are being abused, and pre pubescent girls (babies in some cases). Who's mainly responsible for that sort of stuff? And women, by men in power?

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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Regardless of any other individuals or groups offending, there are clearly serious, disportionate offending patterns within some Asian communities that need dealing with. Not being direct and clear with that fact was one of the things that resulted in the large-scale, unchallenged offending in Rotherham and other areas.



Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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La Liga said:
Regardless of any other individuals or groups offending, there are clearly serious, disportionate offending patterns within some Asian communities that need dealing with. Not being direct and clear with that fact was one of the things that resulted in the large-scale, unchallenged offending in Rotherham and other areas.
I can't see why you preface if with regardless. We should have regard to all pardophilia and sexual abuse.

MrNoisy

530 posts

141 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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Wow, 84% of all gang grooming offences in the UK as a whole? The Asian community as only a fraction of yhe UK population carrying out 84% of them? What is that extrapolated over the UK adult population? - A helluva lot percent I’d imagine?

Absolute Kudos to the author of that report, took real bravery. Let’s hope this educational piece gets widely briefed to the target communities and this helps to prevent these atrocities any more.


anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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Alpinestars said:
La Liga said:
Regardless of any other individuals or groups offending, there are clearly serious, disportionate offending patterns within some Asian communities that need dealing with. Not being direct and clear with that fact was one of the things that resulted in the large-scale, unchallenged offending in Rotherham and other areas.
I can't see why you preface if with regardless. We should have regard to all pardophilia and sexual abuse.
We should, be we didn’t and don’t which is partly why these ‘grooming gangs’ were able to flourish.

Highlighting that others commit sexual offences doesn’t help address the unequal approach to addressing ‘Asian’ sexual offending we’ve seen over recent years.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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La Liga said:
Alpinestars said:
La Liga said:
Regardless of any other individuals or groups offending, there are clearly serious, disportionate offending patterns within some Asian communities that need dealing with. Not being direct and clear with that fact was one of the things that resulted in the large-scale, unchallenged offending in Rotherham and other areas.
I can't see why you preface if with regardless. We should have regard to all pardophilia and sexual abuse.
We should, be we didn’t and don’t which is partly why these ‘grooming gangs’ were able to flourish.

Highlighting that others commit sexual offences doesn’t help address the unequal approach to addressing ‘Asian’ sexual offending we’ve seen over recent years.
You're missing the point. It's not an excuse. I'm pointing out to certain posters on this thread that there's a problem with some men in society who sexually abuse others. The MO might vary by demographic, but the end result is sexual abuse. So please don't disregard that.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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Alpinestars said:
La Liga said:
Alpinestars said:
La Liga said:
Regardless of any other individuals or groups offending, there are clearly serious, disportionate offending patterns within some Asian communities that need dealing with. Not being direct and clear with that fact was one of the things that resulted in the large-scale, unchallenged offending in Rotherham and other areas.
I can't see why you preface if with regardless. We should have regard to all pardophilia and sexual abuse.
We should, be we didn’t and don’t which is partly why these ‘grooming gangs’ were able to flourish.

Highlighting that others commit sexual offences doesn’t help address the unequal approach to addressing ‘Asian’ sexual offending we’ve seen over recent years.
You're missing the point. It's not an excuse. I'm pointing out to certain posters on this thread that there's a problem with some men in society who sexually abuse others. The MO might vary by demographic, but the end result is sexual abuse. So please don't disregard that.
We're possibly making different points.




TTwiggy

11,536 posts

204 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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Any resident statistians got the percentage figure for sexual abuse carried out by men versus that by women?

PorkInsider

5,886 posts

141 months

Saturday 24th February 2018
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TTwiggy said:
Any resident statistians got the percentage figure for sexual abuse carried out by men versus that by women?
I would expect it’s 95-99% men.

But that’s not surprising, is it?

TTwiggy

11,536 posts

204 months

Sunday 25th February 2018
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PorkInsider said:
I would expect it’s 95-99% men.

But that’s not surprising, is it?
Probably not, sadly. But if 84% is enough of a reason to ask certain questions of a certain community, what sort of questions should 95-99% raise?

ReallyReallyGood

1,622 posts

130 months

Sunday 25th February 2018
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TTwiggy said:
Probably not, sadly. But if 84% is enough of a reason to ask certain questions of a certain community, what sort of questions should 95-99% raise?
100% are human, what’s your point?

TTwiggy

11,536 posts

204 months

Sunday 25th February 2018
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ReallyReallyGood said:
100% are human, what’s your point?
Irrelevant. 100% of dangerous dogs are dogs...

My 'point' is that anyone arguing that an 84% representation of a certain demographic in cases of abuse is significant - which it clearly is - must also consider why men are so over represented too. And if these same people want 'something to be done' about the 84% group they must also want something to be done about the 95-99% one.

WinkleHoff

736 posts

235 months

Sunday 25th February 2018
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The fact that men are over represented in terms of sex crime does not mean that this "phenomonen" doesn't warrant specific and independent attention. I think it dangerous to think along those lines.

Firstly, these crimes are being perpetrated by large gangs of specific origin, against girls who are not of their own culture. That in itself adds a new dimension.

Secondly, the burying of what was going on in Rotherham makes this different. As a whole I would argue that sexual crimes are investigated as the law allows, yet here we have avoidance by the authorities along cultural lines.

And can we please stop using the term Asian. That are predominantly Pakistani Muslim. Simple fact.


Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Sunday 25th February 2018
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WinkleHoff said:
The fact that men are over represented in terms of sex crime does not mean that this "phenomonen" doesn't warrant specific and independent attention. I think it dangerous to think along those lines.

Firstly, these crimes are being perpetrated by large gangs of specific origin, against girls who are not of their own culture. That in itself adds a new dimension.

Secondly, the burying of what was going on in Rotherham makes this different. As a whole I would argue that sexual crimes are investigated as the law allows, yet here we have avoidance by the authorities along cultural lines.

And can we please stop using the term Asian. That are predominantly Pakistani Muslim. Simple fact.
You're right with your first statement.

But it shouldn't detract from all the other pariahs.

Can you add British to your last statement as well. That would be factually more accurate.

richie99

1,116 posts

186 months

Sunday 25th February 2018
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ReallyReallyGood said:
100% are human, what’s your point?
Only loosely speaking. They are not members of the same species as most of us.