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anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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freakybacon said:
Is there any background on the likely perpetrators? There wasn't anything in the Guardian article

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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wsurfa said:
Is there any background on the likely perpetrators? There wasn't anything in the Guardian article
Mirror is a bit more descriptive: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-wor...

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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freakybacon said:
Total scum bags who will hopefully serve a very long and hard time in prison.

grumbledoak

31,504 posts

232 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Hundreds of rapists, thousands of victims, and all swept under the carpet for decades.
I really do think it is time we saw some prosecutions of the public sector workers who were complicit in all this.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

223 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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I was having a chat about this on facebook with a mate of mine, who is Muslim.

He started off by saying, don't know why they have to mention Muslim never mention religion when it is white people, to which I said because it is an issue with Muslim Pakistani men and how they view girls, especially white girls, and even during the Rotherham trial they still didn't seem to get they had done any wrong as 'they were up for it' and 13 is an age where it is allowed in their culture and they dressed showing flesh etc.
And then I pointed out that, to put things in perspective, when they hijacked the "Playground" forum on the dark web those sickos who traded pictures, videos and "How to..." on there were mainly white, and often female, and there was nearly a million of them.

The point was not saying things for fear of being branded racist, or 'because we are tolerant' is the reason these girls were so let down.

To which he replied, balanced answer and puts things into perspective.

It was a good conversion with a good outcome, a civilised discussion.


Facebook has deleted all my references and replies mentioning Muslims!!!!

Edited by gizlaroc on Monday 12th March 18:47

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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grumbledoak said:
Hundreds of rapists, thousands of victims, and all swept under the carpet for decades.
I really do think it is time we saw some prosecutions of the public sector workers who were complicit in all this.
Yep.

The victims must have felt there was nowhere to turn. Very sad.

freakybacon

549 posts

162 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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You have to dig deep, but an hour ago the BBC finally reported on the Telford case.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-43...

del mar

2,838 posts

198 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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I would be most impressed in the MP Lucy Allan, if she manages to say;
Pakistani
Or
Muslim
In the house of commons

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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del mar said:
I would be most impressed in the MP Lucy Allan, if she manages to say;
Pakistani
Or
Muslim
In the house of commons
The only way you will get to hear anything twice is if she is giving a speech and its transmitted simultaneously on BBC News and BBC Parliament.
One has a 30 second time lag so if your quick enough to flip channels.

del mar

2,838 posts

198 months

Tuesday 13th March 2018
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Discussed this latest case with my one muslim friend.

Her response was;
"It is a cultural / community problem which needs to be named and shamed"

She moved here from Pakistan about 11/12 years ago, I would give more weight to her opinion on the matter rather than those who twist and turn and try to divert attention away from the issue.






gizlaroc

17,251 posts

223 months

Tuesday 13th March 2018
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del mar said:
Discussed this latest case with my one muslim friend.

Her response was;
"It is a cultural / community problem which needs to be named and shamed"

She moved here from Pakistan about 11/12 years ago, I would give more weight to her opinion on the matter rather than those who twist and turn and try to divert attention away from the issue.
Exactly.

Hence why the guys in Rotherham kept saying there was nothing wrong with what they were doing.

deltaevo16

755 posts

170 months

Tuesday 13th March 2018
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Just watched a piece on the local BBC news at six, about the Telford gangs. The entire piece lasted several minutes and not once was any reference made to the type of men these were, no wonder we are in such a mess, if this had been a group of white pedo's they would have them plastered all over. The fact that we cannot mention ethnicity, speaks volumes for the people who are in charge of our councils, police and social services.

As in the case of Rotherham. Oldham and Rochdale, turning a blind eye for fear of the race card, is disturbing and will only allow the perpetrators to prolong the crimes.

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Tuesday 13th March 2018
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deltaevo16 said:
Just watched a piece on the local BBC news at six, about the Telford gangs. The entire piece lasted several minutes and not once was any reference made to the type of men these were, no wonder we are in such a mess, if this had been a group of white pedo's they would have them plastered all over. The fact that we cannot mention ethnicity, speaks volumes for the people who are in charge of our councils, police and social services.

As in the case of Rotherham. Oldham and Rochdale, turning a blind eye for fear of the race card, is disturbing and will only allow the perpetrators to prolong the crimes.
I think we have to face the fact that the self hating white liberals have won. Things in the UK are going to get a lot worse before they get better, and they won't get better in my or even my children's lifetime, I can no longer pretend otherwise.

9xxNick

927 posts

213 months

Tuesday 13th March 2018
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I don't think we should give in so easily. Opinions can change very quickly depending on circumstances.

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

98 months

Tuesday 13th March 2018
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9xxNick said:
I don't think we should give in so easily. Opinions can change very quickly depending on circumstances.
Like what - There's plenty of times I think lines have been crossed and surely something must be done, but nothing seems to.

What does it take? How far do things have to go before there's a backlash to this cultural incompatability?

deltaevo16

755 posts

170 months

Tuesday 13th March 2018
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9xxNick said:
I don't think we should give in so easily. Opinions can change very quickly depending on circumstances.
I don’t think it’s a matter of giving in, the fact that people some of whom are elected cannot protect the vulnerable, is a national shame, there does not appear to be any will to stop the covering up of such abuse.

When Sir Cliff was accused it was all over the BBC, yet these scumbags are given anonymity due to ethnic correctness. We can’t mention anyone other than white people. When our major news organisation does the same, then we are too go far gone I’m afraid.

Political correctness is akin to communism, we must all think and speak the same.

lyonspride

2,978 posts

154 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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When there is no word that you can use to describe the person who commits a crime, that person will never have to account for their actions...... There really are no words left that have not been deemed racist or politically incorrect.

9xxNick

927 posts

213 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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I don't disagree that it's a national shame and that we are, collectively, fools of the first order to have allowed this situation to have happened and continued to happen for decades without effective counteraction. I do however think that once people have found their voice it is difficult to ignore it. There is a growing realisation that certain groups have been allowed to flout the laws, and the morals, which constrain others but the time when this is permitted seems to be coming to an end. Everyone needs to find their voice and use it.

jshell

11,006 posts

204 months

Saturday 17th March 2018
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Countdown said:
Alpinestars said:
There are too many disingenuous posters who are ostensibly worried about the abuse, but only ever appear on Asian, immigrant, Muslim threads. If they were honest about the problem of sexual abuse, I wouldn't have a lot to say on this thread, and we'd all be in agreement about the scum who perpetrate these crimes.
M2rMike said:
The thread was started about a specific issue perpetrated by Pakistanis,...
Why? Why does it matter particularly that it was “Pakistanis”? And just as people have correctly pointed out that it wasn’t “Asians’ should it also be pointed out that it wasn’t ALL “Pakistanis”? That it seemed to be related particularly to Pakistani taxi drivers? After all, if the theory is that we really need to look closely at this particular issue then it seems logical to focus on the exact background of the offenders and not just label them as “Pakistanis”....?

To me it’s little different to any of the multiple other sex abuse scandals. It’s a “group of men” who had access/control/power over a group of young women, and they used that power for their own gratification. You see the same issue replicated across different groups.
To me, the difference that you and Alpinestars have missed is the level of abuse carried out by these Pakistanis from a small area of that country. You both try to bring balance to the discussion by constantly mentioning other groups of abusers. Well, in my mind, there is a SIGNIFICANT difference here that pushes the Pakistani abusers above the others.

Having read the harrowing accounts of the Rotherham case, the level of organisation, the sheer numbers of victims, the level of physical and verbal abuse was beyond anything else I've heard of or read. The cigarette burns, the kickings, the beatings, the being pissed on, the forced drugging and dragging of young, vulnerable teenagers from house to house by taxi to be raped, raped again and then raped again together with the degradation of defacation. The witnessed queues outside houses for old men to repeatedly rape and scar these young girls. The not only failure to acknowledge the crimes, but to justify the abuse on race grounds. Calling them trash and prostitues because they happen to be white and vulnerable, so it's their faults. The howls of 'not fair, they're just kaffirs' in court by those that feel justified to treat those young girls as for use, abuse and disposal. Not to mention the collusion of the authorities to turn a blind eye due to the race issue.

THESE are the reasons that you and Alpine are felt to be deflecting the conversation all of the time. These are the reasons that people can't quite understand your endless deflections. These are the reasons for the outrage.


Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Saturday 17th March 2018
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jshell said:
To me, the difference that you and Alpinestars have missed is the level of abuse carried out by these Pakistanis from a small area of that country. You both try to bring balance to the discussion by constantly mentioning other groups of abusers. Well, in my mind, there is a SIGNIFICANT difference here that pushes the Pakistani abusers above the others.

Having read the harrowing accounts of the Rotherham case, the level of organisation, the sheer numbers of victims, the level of physical and verbal abuse was beyond anything else I've heard of or read. The cigarette burns, the kickings, the beatings, the being pissed on, the forced drugging and dragging of young, vulnerable teenagers from house to house by taxi to be raped, raped again and then raped again together with the degradation of defacation. The witnessed queues outside houses for old men to repeatedly rape and scar these young girls. The not only failure to acknowledge the crimes, but to justify the abuse on race grounds. Calling them trash and prostitues because they happen to be white and vulnerable, so it's their faults. The howls of 'not fair, they're just kaffirs' in court by those that feel justified to treat those young girls as for use, abuse and disposal. Not to mention the collusion of the authorities to turn a blind eye due to the race issue.

THESE are the reasons that you and Alpine are felt to be deflecting the conversation all of the time. These are the reasons that people can't quite understand your endless deflections. These are the reasons for the outrage.
Try reading what's been posted. No deflection, no excuses. It's harrowing.

But don't kid yourself it's the only sexual abuse that goes on. If you want concentration of numbers, sexual abuse of pre pubescent children is carried out pretty much exclusively by white males, and is far more prevalent, with far more victims. Hopefully you're just as empathetic and outraged about that.