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Lemming Train said:
chrispmartha said:
I amended it with an extra question, but still id like to see your evidence for such a ridiculous and divisive claim.
My evidence is the observations with my own eyes along with a variety of local and national news media channels/websites.Lemming Train said:
chrispmartha said:
I amended it with an extra question, but still id like to see your evidence for such a ridiculous and divisive claim.
My evidence is the observations with my own eyes along with a variety of local and national news media channels/websites.You'll be disappointed I feel. Whilst there are proportionally more Asian folk in prisons and convicted of certain crimes than 'White' or 'Other' the criminals are by no means a majority of the demographic.
br d said:
If the police are happy to turn up and arrest somebody for saying something snarky on twitter why aren't they prosecuting the people who wished rape on the prosecution team? If they are family members of the accused its not going to be hard to find them.
Because brown face = victim in the eyes of those in charge.dudleybloke said:
br d said:
If the police are happy to turn up and arrest somebody for saying something snarky on twitter why aren't they prosecuting the people who wished rape on the prosecution team? If they are family members of the accused its not going to be hard to find them.
Because brown face = victim in the eyes of those in charge.br d said:
If the police are happy to turn up and arrest somebody for saying something snarky on twitter why aren't they prosecuting the people who wished rape on the prosecution team? If they are family members of the accused its not going to be hard to find them.
You know the answer to that, br d, just like the rest of us.edit : dudleybloke above ^^
OpulentBob said:
Still, lots of information and detail in this thread to offer some support to that view.
To say there is NOT a problem is unhelpful, as there clearly is.
Yes, I know Catholic priests are at it too, among others. Whataboutism helps nobody.
Where has anyone said there is not a problem?To say there is NOT a problem is unhelpful, as there clearly is.
Yes, I know Catholic priests are at it too, among others. Whataboutism helps nobody.
dudleybloke said:
br d said:
If the police are happy to turn up and arrest somebody for saying something snarky on twitter why aren't they prosecuting the people who wished rape on the prosecution team? If they are family members of the accused its not going to be hard to find them.
Because brown face = victim in the eyes of those in charge.Neither help tackle the matter
OpulentBob said:
Still, lots of information and detail in this thread to offer some support to that view.
To say there is NOT a problem is unhelpful, as there clearly is.
Yes, I know Catholic priests are at it too, among others. Whataboutism helps nobody.
On the subject of Catholic Priests I just posted this. Feel it applies here too. To say there is NOT a problem is unhelpful, as there clearly is.
Yes, I know Catholic priests are at it too, among others. Whataboutism helps nobody.
Tannedbaldhead said:
I heard an interesting interview on Radio 4 a while back. It was given by an expert used by the NSPCC.
What he said was by taking statistics such as surveys where a sample of the general population were asked if they suffered sex abuse it seems that around 4% of people said they had.
When they checked. It turned out 4% of priests and deacons from the Catholic Church have been accused of abusing children between the 1950s and 2002.
To see if this was statistically high further investigations were undertaken which revealed there is a constant level of offence that occurs throughout society.
Thus if you look at other Christian religious clergy, non Christian religious clergy, organisations such as The Scouts, Boys Brigade, Bernardos Care Homes, The Army, The Police, Muslim taxi drivers etc etc you will find a similar rate of abuse levels.
This sets a trap in society and sadly we PHers are falling into it in a big way. No-one is examining or challenging child abuse close to home.
It's always others. It's easy for us, a group of secular rational atheistic types to kick off and feel good about ourselves as we label these God bothering sky-fairy worshipping types as a crowd of child raping scumbags.
Are you a sad, not very bright or particularly successful, left-behind, Tommy Robison type with a Facebook profile a mass of poppies, Union Jacks, George Crosses and Britain First shares? It's them fecking Muslim innit taxi drivers that are doing it.
Don't like the establishment then it's the BBC (Jimmy Saville Gary Glitter etc).
Politicians? Of course.
Police? Yup.
Are you a foaming at the mouth right wing hater of do-gooders? Turns out all the charadees have a proportion banging away at the kids all over the world they are supposed to be helping out.
Are you a lefty libtard looking for someone to point a finger at? Well the army are at it too. Cadets and junior soldiers are easy targets for those in authority who fancy a bit of abusing.
Teachers? At it.
Social workers? At it.
Prison officers in young offenders institutions? At it.
Have you a big extended family? Lot of divorce and step parents amongst your brothers, sisters and cousins? More likely you have it going on in your family than any of the other groups I've just mentioned.
Things are bad. That's as in 4% of us are abusing bad. They weren't any better in the old days. Think of Victorian times or any other time and it'll have been going on.
Things are actually better now because we are aware and just starting to address it......
But to really address it we have to accept it is "us" that are the problem rather than "them" and deal with the situation accordingly.
There is very much a problem and that is that in the UK 4% of the general population and subsequently 4% of any organisation or group of people abuse.What he said was by taking statistics such as surveys where a sample of the general population were asked if they suffered sex abuse it seems that around 4% of people said they had.
When they checked. It turned out 4% of priests and deacons from the Catholic Church have been accused of abusing children between the 1950s and 2002.
To see if this was statistically high further investigations were undertaken which revealed there is a constant level of offence that occurs throughout society.
Thus if you look at other Christian religious clergy, non Christian religious clergy, organisations such as The Scouts, Boys Brigade, Bernardos Care Homes, The Army, The Police, Muslim taxi drivers etc etc you will find a similar rate of abuse levels.
This sets a trap in society and sadly we PHers are falling into it in a big way. No-one is examining or challenging child abuse close to home.
It's always others. It's easy for us, a group of secular rational atheistic types to kick off and feel good about ourselves as we label these God bothering sky-fairy worshipping types as a crowd of child raping scumbags.
Are you a sad, not very bright or particularly successful, left-behind, Tommy Robison type with a Facebook profile a mass of poppies, Union Jacks, George Crosses and Britain First shares? It's them fecking Muslim innit taxi drivers that are doing it.
Don't like the establishment then it's the BBC (Jimmy Saville Gary Glitter etc).
Politicians? Of course.
Police? Yup.
Are you a foaming at the mouth right wing hater of do-gooders? Turns out all the charadees have a proportion banging away at the kids all over the world they are supposed to be helping out.
Are you a lefty libtard looking for someone to point a finger at? Well the army are at it too. Cadets and junior soldiers are easy targets for those in authority who fancy a bit of abusing.
Teachers? At it.
Social workers? At it.
Prison officers in young offenders institutions? At it.
Have you a big extended family? Lot of divorce and step parents amongst your brothers, sisters and cousins? More likely you have it going on in your family than any of the other groups I've just mentioned.
Things are bad. That's as in 4% of us are abusing bad. They weren't any better in the old days. Think of Victorian times or any other time and it'll have been going on.
Things are actually better now because we are aware and just starting to address it......
But to really address it we have to accept it is "us" that are the problem rather than "them" and deal with the situation accordingly.
Tannedbaldhead said:
There is very much a problem and that is that in the UK 4% of the general population and subsequently 4% of any organisation or group of people abuse.
CEOP estimates that anywhere between 50-75% of sexual assaults on vulnerable young people are perpetrated by Asian men. The motivation doesn't seem to be paeophilia though, more vulnerability. Actual paedophiles, as in people who deliberately target children because they are children, regardless of how vulnerable they are, are overwhelmingly white.Granularity is necessary here because the approaches to targeting the two groups of criminals will necessarily be different.
Lemming Train said:
The regularilty with which it goes on now is reaching the point where it's not even newsworthy anymore. Another 9 Muslim names in the list though to further debunk the claims from certain quarters that they are just "isolated cases" and "the majority of Muslims are law-abiding" 
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Add up all those convicted of these heinous crimes and then divide it by the number of Muslims in the world (1.5 billion), or Britain (2.75million0, or even just Bradford (75000) if you’d like. Then multiply it by 100. That will give you the percentage of those criminals versus the wider community. If the answer is above 50, then I’ll agree with you, if it’s below then I’ll call you someone who just dislikes people because they have a different skin colour to you. .j_4m said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
There is very much a problem and that is that in the UK 4% of the general population and subsequently 4% of any organisation or group of people abuse.
CEOP estimates that anywhere between 50-75% of sexual assaults on vulnerable young people are perpetrated by Asian men. The motivation doesn't seem to be paeophilia though, more vulnerability. Actual paedophiles, as in people who deliberately target children because they are children, regardless of how vulnerable they are, are overwhelmingly white.Granularity is necessary here because the approaches to targeting the two groups of criminals will necessarily be different.
rscott said:
Where does that CEOP estimate come from? seems somewhat at odds with the CEOP figures mentioned here - https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-e... .
I'll try and dig it up, it was a bit more of a broken down report categorising victims as Type 1/Type 2. One section were simply vulnerable young people, the other victims who were specifically targeted by paedophiles.They qualify all their reports with "these are just estimates, small sample sizes, incomplete data sets, etc..."
j_4m said:
rscott said:
Where does that CEOP estimate come from? seems somewhat at odds with the CEOP figures mentioned here - https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-e... .
I'll try and dig it up, it was a bit more of a broken down report categorising victims as Type 1/Type 2. One section were simply vulnerable young people, the other victims who were specifically targeted by paedophiles.They qualify all their reports with "these are just estimates, small sample sizes, incomplete data sets, etc..."
j_4m said:
rscott said:
Where does that CEOP estimate come from? seems somewhat at odds with the CEOP figures mentioned here - https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-e... .
I'll try and dig it up, it was a bit more of a broken down report categorising victims as Type 1/Type 2. One section were simply vulnerable young people, the other victims who were specifically targeted by paedophiles.They qualify all their reports with "these are just estimates, small sample sizes, incomplete data sets, etc..."
Interesting debate. I have a few asian (Pakistani) friends. Good honest hard working folk, some of their sons, daughters studying to be doctors, dentists and the like.
They are ashamed at these criminal Pakistanis. They also admit that these rape gangs especially up north that prey on vulnerable white females are overwhelmingly asian and mainly Pakistani. They reckon it’s down to where some of these rotten Pakistanis originate from in Pakistan; village and farm areas. The disrespecting women and do whatever the f you want attitude and mentality that is rife in these sort of areas in Pakistan has been brought into the UK unfortunately. Same goes for those who deal drugs and whatnot.
They are ashamed at these criminal Pakistanis. They also admit that these rape gangs especially up north that prey on vulnerable white females are overwhelmingly asian and mainly Pakistani. They reckon it’s down to where some of these rotten Pakistanis originate from in Pakistan; village and farm areas. The disrespecting women and do whatever the f you want attitude and mentality that is rife in these sort of areas in Pakistan has been brought into the UK unfortunately. Same goes for those who deal drugs and whatnot.
AI1694 said:
Interesting debate. I have a few asian (Pakistani) friends. Good honest hard working folk, some of their sons, daughters studying to be doctors, dentists and the like.
They are ashamed at these criminal Pakistanis. They also admit that these rape gangs especially up north that prey on vulnerable white females are overwhelmingly asian and mainly Pakistani. They reckon it’s down to where these some of these rotten Pakistanis originate from in Pakistan; village and farm areas. The disrespecting women and do whatever the f you want attitude and mentality that is rife in these sort of areas in Pakistan has been brought into the UK unfortunately. Same goes for those who deal drugs and whatnot.
So is it the older generations/ parents fault?They are ashamed at these criminal Pakistanis. They also admit that these rape gangs especially up north that prey on vulnerable white females are overwhelmingly asian and mainly Pakistani. They reckon it’s down to where these some of these rotten Pakistanis originate from in Pakistan; village and farm areas. The disrespecting women and do whatever the f you want attitude and mentality that is rife in these sort of areas in Pakistan has been brought into the UK unfortunately. Same goes for those who deal drugs and whatnot.
I’m happy these scumbags have been brought to justice. When we’re they active though? They’ve all been convicted of specific instances with the one with the highest number being charged with 5 instances and the other around 2 instances.
These started in 2008, so it seems they weren’t active recently.
I’m glad they’ve been brought to account and faced justice, but it doesn’t necessarily paint a picture of what the current situation is.
The other comment about Pakistani villages doesn’t make a lot of sense. Aren’t all those who’ve been convicted in all the gangs, ones who were born and raised here?
These started in 2008, so it seems they weren’t active recently.
I’m glad they’ve been brought to account and faced justice, but it doesn’t necessarily paint a picture of what the current situation is.
The other comment about Pakistani villages doesn’t make a lot of sense. Aren’t all those who’ve been convicted in all the gangs, ones who were born and raised here?
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