another abuse gang
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mrporsche said:
28 in Calderdale.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14935746/men-charged...
Seven years FFS. These people don't deserve the luxury of prison.https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14935746/men-charged...
Edited by mrporsche on Wednesday 12th May 20:48
LimSlip said:
mrporsche said:
28 in Calderdale.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14935746/men-charged...
Seven years FFS. These people don't deserve the luxury of https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14935746/men-charged...
Edited by mrporsche on Wednesday 12th May 20:48
LimSlip said:
12 years old, what is wrong with these sick bds? The apologists seem to be staying quiet, thankfully.
Religion and culture seems to play a massive part of the perps. The victims are poor and forgotten about by the system, easy pickings for these nonces really, just surprised me after all that has happened last 30 years still happening.Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 19th July 00:10
CaptainSlow said:
No I haven't, the "men" that a committing these acts aren't staunch Muslims, these are the guys that will also be drinking behind closed doors.
I honestly can’t get my head around your thought process here. They are Muslim, their friends and family believe them to be Muslim, they themselves claim to be Muslim, but you, a non-Muslim, are happy to assert that they, their family and their friends are all wrong, because you think that you know better.Are you familiar with the “No true Scotsman” fallacy, and why it’s a fallacy?
Schermerhorn said:
No, instead it's turned into a "I'm not a racist but......" commentary.
It has. I’m not racist but that doesn’t mean that I haven’t noticed that pretty much every child rape gang turns out to be Pakistani Muslim.I’ve also noticed that a lot of left-leaning men try their damnedest to try to paint anyone who notices this as the villain of the piece, rather than the Pakistani Muslim child rapists.
Presumably though you feel that you’re occupying the moral high ground, for some obscure reason.
Northernboy said:
I honestly can’t get my head around your thought process here. They are Muslim, their friends and family believe them to be Muslim, they themselves claim to be Muslim, but you, a non-Muslim, are happy to assert that they, their family and their friends are all wrong, because you think that you know better.
Are you familiar with the “No true Scotsman” fallacy, and why it’s a fallacy?
Always reminds me of Dr Taj Hargey, imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation said in 2013 about the oxford case,Are you familiar with the “No true Scotsman” fallacy, and why it’s a fallacy?
''The activities of the Oxford sex ring are “bound up with religion and race” because all the men - though of different nationalities - were Muslim and they “deliberately targeted vulnerable white girls, whom they appeared to regard as 'easy meat', to use one of their revealing, racist phrases”, Dr Hargey said.
That attitude has been promoted by religious leaders, he believes. “On one level, most imams in the UK are simply using their puritanical sermons to promote the wearing of the hijab and even the burka among their female adherents. But the dire result can be the brutish misogyny we see in the Oxford sex ring.”
Yet these grooming gangs keep happening?
Northernboy said:
CaptainSlow said:
No I haven't, the "men" that a committing these acts aren't staunch Muslims, these are the guys that will also be drinking behind closed doors.
I honestly can’t get my head around your thought process here. They are Muslim, their friends and family believe them to be Muslim, they themselves claim to be Muslim, but you, a non-Muslim, are happy to assert that they, their family and their friends are all wrong, because you think that you know better.Are you familiar with the “No true Scotsman” fallacy, and why it’s a fallacy?
I said they weren't staunch Muslims, in that, I mean devout. I didnt say they weren't muslims. In the same way many Roman Catholics will be having sex before marriage and using contraception.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Hi, I've changed my username.
I said they weren't staunch Muslims, in that, I mean devout. I didnt say they weren't muslims. In the same way many Roman Catholics will be having sex before marriage and using contraception.
Then what point were you making, and what evidence do you have for the assertion? It was yet another gang with the same ethnicity and religion as all the previous ones that have been discussed here.I said they weren't staunch Muslims, in that, I mean devout. I didnt say they weren't muslims. In the same way many Roman Catholics will be having sex before marriage and using contraception.
This type of crime, this grooming by a large number of men, targeting only non-Muslim girls, it appears to be perpetrated disproportionately by one demographic. Why try to downplay that rather than understand why it’s the case?
Northernboy said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Hi, I've changed my username.
I said they weren't staunch Muslims, in that, I mean devout. I didnt say they weren't muslims. In the same way many Roman Catholics will be having sex before marriage and using contraception.
Then what point were you making, and what evidence do you have for the assertion? It was yet another gang with the same ethnicity and religion as all the previous ones that have been discussed here.I said they weren't staunch Muslims, in that, I mean devout. I didnt say they weren't muslims. In the same way many Roman Catholics will be having sex before marriage and using contraception.
This type of crime, this grooming by a large number of men, targeting only non-Muslim girls, it appears to be perpetrated disproportionately by one demographic. Why try to downplay that rather than understand why it’s the case?
I certainly wasn't downplaying the problem and fully agree that these scum tend to come from one background.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
I can't remember my point, I think I posted that a while ago.
I certainly wasn't downplaying the problem and fully agree that these scum tend to come from one background.
Leaving aside any question if morality and criminality, there surely needs to be some research carried out to understand what’s going on, and what leads to such a large group of (apparently unrelated) men being comfortable organizing and carrying out these crimes.I certainly wasn't downplaying the problem and fully agree that these scum tend to come from one background.
If I was the sort of person who felt like abusing teens I’d never be able to find others who wanted to go along with it. The first person I asked would be bound to go to the police.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Northernboy said:
CaptainSlow said:
No I haven't, the "men" that a committing these acts aren't staunch Muslims, these are the guys that will also be drinking behind closed doors.
I honestly can’t get my head around your thought process here. They are Muslim, their friends and family believe them to be Muslim, they themselves claim to be Muslim, but you, a non-Muslim, are happy to assert that they, their family and their friends are all wrong, because you think that you know better.Are you familiar with the “No true Scotsman” fallacy, and why it’s a fallacy?
I said they weren't staunch Muslims, in that, I mean devout. I didnt say they weren't muslims. In the same way many Roman Catholics will be having sex before marriage and using contraception.
Hint: they are devout and are only doing what they are religiously mandated to do. Who would have thought that any religion, let alone one so peaceful, would have such a thing as being encouraged to enslave the women of defeated enemies as concubines.
It's a funny old world.
_dobbo_ said:
Decades of cuts to the criminal justice system, the NHS, the social care system, and the police, and here we are.
And yet these abuses were also going on during the Blair/Brown years, when the public purse was forever open for all those services you mention. It's deeply distressing that you're trying to excuse the behaviour of these monsters by trying to make some sort of link to public sector finances, presumably for party political reasons? Shameful. The simple fact is that the Police, Social Services and others frequently turned a blind eye to these goings on, in the interests of 'community cohesion'. Try Googling a bit on the subject and you'll find interview after interview confirming this.
colin_p said:
Are we going to get into another round of discussion about sexual slavery of conquered enemies again?
Hint: they are devout and are only doing what they are religiously mandated to do. Who would have thought that any religion, let alone one so peaceful, would have such a thing as being encouraged to enslave the women of defeated enemies as concubines.
It's a funny old world.
They aren't devout, they are picking the bits they like and ignoring other bits...eg alcohol.Hint: they are devout and are only doing what they are religiously mandated to do. Who would have thought that any religion, let alone one so peaceful, would have such a thing as being encouraged to enslave the women of defeated enemies as concubines.
It's a funny old world.
colin_p said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Northernboy said:
CaptainSlow said:
No I haven't, the "men" that a committing these acts aren't staunch Muslims, these are the guys that will also be drinking behind closed doors.
I honestly can’t get my head around your thought process here. They are Muslim, their friends and family believe them to be Muslim, they themselves claim to be Muslim, but you, a non-Muslim, are happy to assert that they, their family and their friends are all wrong, because you think that you know better.Are you familiar with the “No true Scotsman” fallacy, and why it’s a fallacy?
I said they weren't staunch Muslims, in that, I mean devout. I didnt say they weren't muslims. In the same way many Roman Catholics will be having sex before marriage and using contraception.
Hint: they are devout and are only doing what they are religiously mandated to do. Who would have thought that any religion, let alone one so peaceful, would have such a thing as being encouraged to enslave the women of defeated enemies as concubines.
It's a funny old world.
I understand the age of consent, according to Islamic teaching (and therefore according to their god), is at the point a girl is deemed sexually ready. Not when they are emotionally mature enough, but when they physically able to. Fortunately, in more modern times, there is now an age of consent in many countries, but that certainly did not come from Islam or their god, otherwise why was it not there from the start?
I think we ought to point out that Islam is not the only religion they permitted abuse of children, Catholics clearly did the same and the bible talks a lot about killing children. Given that religion is man made (specifically man and not woman) is it suprising that all religions appear to have issues with children and sexuality, be that marrying them off to old men, abusing them in church or cutting bits of them off.
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