another abuse gang

[Zoon]

s1962a said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I know it's probably not polite to mention it but when looking for suitable terminology for these gangs Asian, South Asian etc leave a lot to be desired. It seems worth noting that about 1/4 of those charged are called Mohammed. Is that a clue?

Most of the perpetrators of these grooming gangs are of Pakistani origin. There is a clue right there.

Careful you'll be in front of the Commons Select Committee with talk like that.

[2Btoo]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Looking at their ages and the fact that the offences go back as far as 1995 it seems possible (or even likely?) they were victims themselves to start with.

Good observation.

Looking at the ages of the male accused it's quite possible that the women were their victims initially.

[s1962a]

Zoon said:

s1962a said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I know it's probably not polite to mention it but when looking for suitable terminology for these gangs Asian, South Asian etc leave a lot to be desired. It seems worth noting that about 1/4 of those charged are called Mohammed. Is that a clue?

Most of the perpetrators of these grooming gangs are of Pakistani origin. There is a clue right there.

Careful you'll be in front of the Commons Select Committee with talk like that.

Really? Why?

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Pothole said:

If they were originallly victims I can't see the value in prosecuting them. We don't have many facts, though.

I don't know how the law works exactly there but if they were facilitating this for 25 years after they were abused themselves then there's certainly the possibility they were both victim and criminal.

[Digga]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Pothole said:

If they were originallly victims I can't see the value in prosecuting them. We don't have many facts, though.

I don't know how the law works exactly there but if they were facilitating this for 25 years after they were abused themselves then there's certainly the possibility they were both victim and criminal.

From an exploitation angle, I guess this tack is pretty similar to those convicted of dealing or running drugs having been abused and coerced into the act by the criminal gangs.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Digga said:

From an exploitation angle, I guess this tack is pretty similar to those convicted of dealing or running drugs having been abused and coerced into the act by the criminal gangs.

Maybe the thinking is that 25 years was long enough for them to realise that this was abuse and report it to the authorities. Who of course would have told them it was their own fault and sent them on a diversity awareness course.

[Biggy Stardust]

s1962a said:

Zoon said:

s1962a said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I know it's probably not polite to mention it but when looking for suitable terminology for these gangs Asian, South Asian etc leave a lot to be desired. It seems worth noting that about 1/4 of those charged are called Mohammed. Is that a clue?

Most of the perpetrators of these grooming gangs are of Pakistani origin. There is a clue right there.

Careful you'll be in front of the Commons Select Committee with talk like that.

Really? Why?

Because people should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity, apparently.

[andymc]

Biggy Stardust said:

s1962a said:

Zoon said:

s1962a said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I know it's probably not polite to mention it but when looking for suitable terminology for these gangs Asian, South Asian etc leave a lot to be desired. It seems worth noting that about 1/4 of those charged are called Mohammed. Is that a clue?

Most of the perpetrators of these grooming gangs are of Pakistani origin. There is a clue right there.

Careful you'll be in front of the Commons Select Committee with talk like that.

Really? Why?

Because people should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity, apparently.

unless it's cricket

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Quite astonishing (and pretty disgusting IMO) that it seems a lot of people appear to find any slight possible hint of racism worse than actual decades of systematic sexual abuse of children.

[GLS]

How many kids did Jimmy Saville fiddle with, for reference?

[freakybacon]

BBC link (hidden away in local news). Eldest accused is 83 years old.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-594632...

[eccles]

GLS said:

How many kids did Jimmy Saville fiddle with, for reference?

How is that relevant at all?

[andyA700]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Pothole said:

Interestingly the three women charged with procuring/running a brothel etc. have names which suggest they may be of white British origin Simply exploiting a gap in the market?.

Looking at their ages and the fact that the offences go back as far as 1995 it seems possible (or even likely?) they were victims themselves to start with.


I know it's probably not polite to mention it but when looking for suitable terminology for these gangs Asian, South Asian etc leave a lot to be desired. It seems worth noting that about 1/4 of those charged are called Mohammed. Is that a clue?

I think we all know that the elephant in the room, is the cultural background of the male abusers. Their home country, where they or their ancestors originate from and their religion are key to this.
To ignore these obvious facts, to me, seems like an attempt to brush everything under the carpet.
Maggie Oliver has said as much herself, as did Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, who was sacked from her shadow cabinet role for telling the truth.
Politics and votes taking precedence over child abuse.

[andyA700]

GLS said:

How many kids did Jimmy Saville fiddle with, for reference?

Why don't you start your own thread about that, instead of trying to divert this one from pointing out the many thousands of Pakistani Muslims who have been perpetrators of sexual abuse against young white girls in the UK.

[Digga]

andyA700 said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Pothole said:

Interestingly the three women charged with procuring/running a brothel etc. have names which suggest they may be of white British origin Simply exploiting a gap in the market?.

Looking at their ages and the fact that the offences go back as far as 1995 it seems possible (or even likely?) they were victims themselves to start with.


I know it's probably not polite to mention it but when looking for suitable terminology for these gangs Asian, South Asian etc leave a lot to be desired. It seems worth noting that about 1/4 of those charged are called Mohammed. Is that a clue?

I think we all know that the elephant in the room, is the cultural background of the male abusers. Their home country, where they or their ancestors originate from and their religion are key to this.
To ignore these obvious facts, to me, seems like an attempt to brush everything under the carpet.
Maggie Oliver has said as much herself, as did Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, who was sacked from her shadow cabinet role for telling the truth.
Politics and votes taking precedence over child abuse.

There were a lot of MP's, mostly Labour it seems, although I guess it comes within their territories, who commendably pioneered the cause for this issue being treated seriously.

The obstacles and opposition encountered by those who pushed for a wider investigation are a blight on our political and justice system.

That the issue is still not being spoken about directly is an utter farce, not least because IMHO is unfairly casts a shadow of suspicion over a very large sector of the population - nominally 'Asian, Muslim' - who are, statistically it would seem, completely innocent, but for a very small sub-set.

[oddman]

Digga said:

here were a lot of MP's, mostly Labour it seems, although I guess it comes within their territories, who commendably pioneered the cause for this issue being treated seriously.

Ann Cryer being a notable pioneer. She suffered from abuse from her own party. This article by her summarising her experiences and the issues.

Labour have betrayed their values by counting the postal votes, which arrive by the wheelbarrow, over the needs of the truly vulnerable. If the media were curious enough, the links between labour politicians, local licensing arrangements and rape gangs might be exposed. I suspect it will take someone from the community to succeed.

[andyA700]

Digga said:

here were a lot of MP's, mostly Labour it seems, although I guess it comes within their territories, who commendably pioneered the cause for this issue being treated seriously.

The obstacles and opposition encountered by those who pushed for a wider investigation are a blight on our political and justice system.

That the issue is still not being spoken about directly is an utter farce, not least because IMHO is unfairly casts a shadow of suspicion over a very large sector of the population - nominally 'Asian, Muslim' - who are, statistically it would seem, completely innocent, but for a very small sub-set.

As far as I am aware, it was only Ann Cryer and Sarah Champion who spoke up about the abuse, and they in turn received abuse from the Labour party. What an absolute disgrace. Sajid Javid spoke out about the abusers.

[andyA700]

oddman said:

Digga said:

here were a lot of MP's, mostly Labour it seems, although I guess it comes within their territories, who commendably pioneered the cause for this issue being treated seriously.

Ann Cryer being a notable pioneer. She suffered from abuse from her own party. This article by her summarising her experiences and the issues.

Labour have betrayed their values by counting the postal votes, which arrive by the wheelbarrow, over the needs of the truly vulnerable. If the media were curious enough, the links between labour politicians, local licensing arrangements and rape gangs might be exposed. I suspect it will take someone from the community to succeed.

Goo dpost, entirely accurate IMHO.

[LukeBrown66]

I am also fascinated by the fact that this abuse only seems to come to the surface in Northern towns or at least Midlands towns, there are notable populations of similar race Asian men all over the country, many hundreds of thousands in the South east places like Luton, Slough and anywhere else, yet there seems to be little of it being reported?

Is it going on there?

Or is this possibly a tribal thing, we do know that certain backgrounds of Asian men are more prone to some things than others, could this be why these rape gangs seem to be concentrated up North?

[s1962a]

LukeBrown66 said:

I am also fascinated by the fact that this abuse only seems to come to the surface in Northern towns or at least Midlands towns, there are notable populations of similar race Asian men all over the country, many hundreds of thousands in the South east places like Luton, Slough and anywhere else, yet there seems to be little of it being reported?

Is it going on there?

Or is this possibly a tribal thing, we do know that certain backgrounds of Asian men are more prone to some things than others, could this be why these rape gangs seem to be concentrated up North?

Most from Pakistani origins, Mostly taxi drivers or working in take aways.