another abuse gang

[markcoznottz]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

andymc said:

So has anyone figured out the root problem? Is it deep seated misogyny

There's no point in asking you'll get no reply. Raise this topic with most people and their facial expression will be pretty vacant.

Presumably because for a lot of years they thought that they would get away with it scott free.

[Alpinestars]

markcoznottz said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

andymc said:

So has anyone figured out the root problem? Is it deep seated misogyny

There's no point in asking you'll get no reply. Raise this topic with most people and their facial expression will be pretty vacant.

Presumably because for a lot of years they thought that they would get away with it scott free.

Why do you expect people to be able to answer this?

[andymc]

Alpinestars said:

markcoznottz said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

andymc said:

So has anyone figured out the root problem? Is it deep seated misogyny

There's no point in asking you'll get no reply. Raise this topic with most people and their facial expression will be pretty vacant.

Presumably because for a lot of years they thought that they would get away with it scott free.

Why do you expect people to be able to answer this?

if it's aimed at me I would expect sociologists to have an inkling

[PorkRind]

andymadmak said:

mat777 said:

Are they of a similar heritage to the other recent gang?

If yes, then look at the average age of (forced) brides in their home countries, and couple this with their attitude to white girls being worthless trash

I was trying to avoid any reference to ethnicity, back ground or religious beliefs. I don't know the make up of the 8 accused.
You read about individual abusers of all types and colours. I suppose I look upon those people as loners acting out their sick fantasies. What I don't get at all is the idea of a gang, a group, getting together in this way. Does none of them ever say "hang on a moment guys, we shouldn't be doing this to a 12 year old kid" ?

Apparently not the types that are of a certain section of a certain 'religion', anythings game.

[Alpinestars]

andymc said:

Alpinestars said:

markcoznottz said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

andymc said:

So has anyone figured out the root problem? Is it deep seated misogyny

There's no point in asking you'll get no reply. Raise this topic with most people and their facial expression will be pretty vacant.

Presumably because for a lot of years they thought that they would get away with it scott free.

Why do you expect people to be able to answer this?

if it's aimed at me I would expect sociologists to have an inkling

Probably more at the pastor.

Why does anyone commit heinous crimes? A bit unhinged. A bit arrogant. Not worried about, or thinking there will never be reprisals. Maybe socially inept. Etc.

[Hilts]

andymc said:

I’m afraid it’s taken place in virtually every city where they are heavily represented, no idea why?

I live quite far away from these cities but every case I see on the BBC usually has a substantial number of offenders and I've seen a lot of these cases.

I'd assume that the successful prosecutions are only a small fraction of the actual offences that have taken place. Would that be a correct assumption?

Have the police got a grip on this or is it still going on?

[NoNeed]

andymc said:

I’m afraid it’s taken place in virtually every city where they are heavily represented, no idea why?
I’ve also no idea why whites are more into paedophilia
Normal people find the whole thing abhorrent

A lack of suitable education and no real deterent.

I am all for capital punishment for sex offences against children and pre meditated murders

[j_4m]

Alpinestars said:

Probably more at the pastor.

Why does anyone commit heinous crimes? A bit unhinged. A bit arrogant. Not worried about, or thinking there will never be reprisals. Maybe socially inept. Etc.

...a cultural background that doesn't value or respect women of any age.

[Alpinestars]

j_4m said:

Alpinestars said:

Probably more at the pastor.

Why does anyone commit heinous crimes? A bit unhinged. A bit arrogant. Not worried about, or thinking there will never be reprisals. Maybe socially inept. Etc.

...a cultural background that doesn't value or respect women of any age.

Which somehow never seems to involve 6 or 9 year olds, which is the theory behind your comment. There may be a theme here, but let’s stop the conflation.

What do you think drives the pre pubescent paedophiles? A lack of respect for children? Or an illness?

I’d say what drives these gangs is different. It’s opportunistic, controlling behaviour, and a lack of respect for some women.

[j_4m]

I agree that the motives and methods of these gangs are entirely different to the motives of your stereotypical lone nonce; the solitary paedo specifically gets gratification because they're young, the abuse gangs just want to subjugate and sexually abuse girls/women. To that end they choose the most vulnerable and easily manipulated targets which so happen to be children. Thus the cultural aspect where the former has a disorder/perversion/aberration, and the latter seeks gratification and has been conditioned to believe that they can just take it.

[dudleybloke]

One big difference between the groups of nonces is that usually the nonce gets shunned by society and doesn't have loads of support inside and outside of the courtroom.
But with these "Asian" nonces the families and friends act like they have done nothing wrong and are being picked on.
It shows the contempt that they have for anything and anyone non-islamic.

[Alpinestars]

j_4m said:

I agree that the motives and methods of these gangs are entirely different to the motives of your stereotypical lone nonce; the solitary paedo specifically gets gratification because they're young, the abuse gangs just want to subjugate and sexually abuse girls/women. To that end they choose the most vulnerable and easily manipulated targets which so happen to be children. Thus the cultural aspect where the former has a disorder/perversion/aberration, and the latter seeks gratification and has been conditioned to believe that they can just take it.

I agree with most of that. But as far as your last point, had that been the case, we’d see the same across the Muslim world. Not the case. Maybe it’s cultural and opportunity based. As an example, afaik, these issues have not been reported (I’m not going to bet they don’t exist), in say Scotland. I don’t think it’s is as simple as you make out.

[jshell]

Alpinestars said:

j_4m said:

I agree that the motives and methods of these gangs are entirely different to the motives of your stereotypical lone nonce; the solitary paedo specifically gets gratification because they're young, the abuse gangs just want to subjugate and sexually abuse girls/women. To that end they choose the most vulnerable and easily manipulated targets which so happen to be children. Thus the cultural aspect where the former has a disorder/perversion/aberration, and the latter seeks gratification and has been conditioned to believe that they can just take it.

I agree with most of that. But as far as your last point, had that been the case, we’d see the same across the Muslim world. Not the case. Maybe it’s cultural and opportunity based. As an example, afaik, these issues have not been reported (I’m not going to bet they don’t exist), in say Scotland. I don’t think it’s is as simple as you make out.

Like this example of the behaviour during demos in Egypt?

This is really not for the squeamish! https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/29/business/media/...

Horrific and there are countless told and untold examples of the same.

Some of the videos are harrowing... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a...

Edited by jshell on Monday 24th June 16:48

[Alpinestars]

jshell said:

Like this example of the behaviour during demos in Egypt?

This is really not for the squeamish! https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/29/business/media/...

Horrific and there are countless told and untold examples of the same.

Some of the videos are harrowing... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a...

Edited by jshell on Monday 24th June 16:48

Do me a favour. There are x billion Muslims in the world. We can all find stories about any significant group in the world. There’s no homogeneity in the abuse of post pubescent girls in the Muslim world. So it’s a bit dim to say it’s a Muslim issue.

[jshell]

Alpinestars said:

jshell said:

Like this example of the behaviour during demos in Egypt?

This is really not for the squeamish! https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/29/business/media/...

Horrific and there are countless told and untold examples of the same.

Some of the videos are harrowing... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a...

Edited by jshell on Monday 24th June 16:48

Do me a favour. There are x billion Muslims in the world. We can all find stories about any significant group in the world. There’s no homogeneity in the abuse of post pubescent girls in the Muslim world. So it’s a bit dim to say it’s a Muslim issue.

I didn't mention Muslims, I tend not to... However, there are areas of the world that are particularly dangerous for women due to lack of education/wrong type of education/religiously taught intolerance etc.

[Alpinestars]

jshell said:

I didn't mention Muslims, I tend not to... However, there are areas of the world that are particularly dangerous for women due to lack of education/wrong type of education/religiously taught intolerance etc.

For sure. So more generally, it’s a male problem. Power, entitlement, gratification, opportunity etc.

[stitched]

Alpinestars said:

jshell said:

Like this example of the behaviour during demos in Egypt?

This is really not for the squeamish! https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/29/business/media/...

Horrific and there are countless told and untold examples of the same.

Some of the videos are harrowing... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a...

Edited by jshell on Monday 24th June 16:48

Do me a favour. There are x billion Muslims in the world. We can all find stories about any significant group in the world. There’s no homogeneity in the abuse of post pubescent girls in the Muslim world. So it’s a bit dim to say it’s a Muslim issue.

Not religion, culture.

[Ratski83]

The Netherlands has the exact same problems as we do they are just known as ‘Loverboys’ over there and it’s mainly Moroccan men targeting young girls but using the exact same methods of grooming and drugs before pimping them out.

[jshell]

Alpinestars said:

jshell said:

I didn't mention Muslims, I tend not to... However, there are areas of the world that are particularly dangerous for women due to lack of education/wrong type of education/religiously taught intolerance etc.

For sure. So more generally, it’s a male problem. Power, entitlement, gratification, opportunity etc.

I'm not really seeing it in South America, not in Africa when I lived there. Poor parts of Russia perhaps, no? Point us to it then...

[j_4m]

Alpinestars said:

I agree with most of that. But as far as your last point, had that been the case, we’d see the same across the Muslim world. Not the case. Maybe it’s cultural and opportunity based. As an example, afaik, these issues have not been reported (I’m not going to bet they don’t exist), in say Scotland. I don’t think it’s is as simple as you make out.

To borrow a term, it's intersectional. You need just the right amount of lack of education, low intelligence, stty cultural norms and religious enablement. Just being a muslim isn't enough. Rape as a summary punishment or even just as a bonding activity with the lads isn't happening among Pakistan's educated university set, but it is happening in other parts of society and creating attitudes that we are in turn importing.