North Korea - how serious should we take them?
Discussion
superkartracer said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Latest story doing the rounds is his weapons are fake.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/north-korea-missile-icbm-parade-duitsman-2017-4?r=US&IR=TWith regards to some of these specialised materials, where are they sourcing them from? From what I understand they are not simple plastics that I imagine NK are capable of producing, am I correct? If so, so much for embargoes and sanctions....
superkartracer said:
Nothing would surprise me.superkartracer said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Latest story doing the rounds is his weapons are fake.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/north-korea-missile-icbm-parade-duitsman-2017-4?r=US&IR=T
smifffymoto said:
North Korea has been left alone for too long and have developed with help from China and others.
How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/17/the-problem-is-washington-not-north-korea/How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
An interesting read. The truth lies somewhere in between, IMO. No question Kim is potentially dangerous to the South, but he is also literally surrounded (and China also has interests in the South) and there would be no rational reason for him to strike. The idea that he would do it simply because he is crazy comes across more as a propaganda scare tactic than anything based in reality.
scherzkeks said:
smifffymoto said:
North Korea has been left alone for too long and have developed with help from China and others.
How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/17/the-problem-is-washington-not-north-korea/How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
An interesting read. The truth lies somewhere in between, IMO. No question Kim is potentially dangerous to the South, but he is also literally surrounded (and China also has interests in the South) and there would be no rational reason for him to strike. The idea that he would do it simply because he is crazy comes across more as a propaganda scare tactic than anything based in reality.
Likes Fast Cars said:
scherzkeks said:
smifffymoto said:
North Korea has been left alone for too long and have developed with help from China and others.
How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/17/the-problem-is-washington-not-north-korea/How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
An interesting read. The truth lies somewhere in between, IMO. No question Kim is potentially dangerous to the South, but he is also literally surrounded (and China also has interests in the South) and there would be no rational reason for him to strike. The idea that he would do it simply because he is crazy comes across more as a propaganda scare tactic than anything based in reality.
scherzkeks said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
scherzkeks said:
smifffymoto said:
North Korea has been left alone for too long and have developed with help from China and others.
How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/17/the-problem-is-washington-not-north-korea/How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
An interesting read. The truth lies somewhere in between, IMO. No question Kim is potentially dangerous to the South, but he is also literally surrounded (and China also has interests in the South) and there would be no rational reason for him to strike. The idea that he would do it simply because he is crazy comes across more as a propaganda scare tactic than anything based in reality.
scherzkeks said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
scherzkeks said:
smifffymoto said:
North Korea has been left alone for too long and have developed with help from China and others.
How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/17/the-problem-is-washington-not-north-korea/How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
An interesting read. The truth lies somewhere in between, IMO. No question Kim is potentially dangerous to the South, but he is also literally surrounded (and China also has interests in the South) and there would be no rational reason for him to strike. The idea that he would do it simply because he is crazy comes across more as a propaganda scare tactic than anything based in reality.
MartG said:
scherzkeks said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
scherzkeks said:
smifffymoto said:
North Korea has been left alone for too long and have developed with help from China and others.
How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/17/the-problem-is-washington-not-north-korea/How can it be that the world despises it as a state but turns a blind eye to them exporting government "employed" slaves to the likes of Dubai and Saudi Arabia for cheap labour on construction sites etc.
While governments and business make money from them on the one hand they want to limit them with the other.Politics now is full of to many people with a big ego and something to prove.
An interesting read. The truth lies somewhere in between, IMO. No question Kim is potentially dangerous to the South, but he is also literally surrounded (and China also has interests in the South) and there would be no rational reason for him to strike. The idea that he would do it simply because he is crazy comes across more as a propaganda scare tactic than anything based in reality.
The idea that Kim is going to nuke the South without being provoked is not logical.
scherzkeks said:
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The idea that Kim is going to nuke the South without being provoked is not logical.
This is one of the challenges in trying to work out how to handle the situation isn't it? No-one is really sure what he will do, but from what I see he seems capable of just going in guns / weapons blazing because he seems to have a need to show his people and the rest of the world he's the boss /the big man.The idea that Kim is going to nuke the South without being provoked is not logical.
Likes Fast Cars said:
scherzkeks said:
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The idea that Kim is going to nuke the South without being provoked is not logical.
(...) he seems capable of just going in guns / weapons blazing because he seems to have a need to show his people and the rest of the world he's the boss /the big man.The idea that Kim is going to nuke the South without being provoked is not logical.
IMO, we are being manipulated yet again.
scherzkeks said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
scherzkeks said:
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The idea that Kim is going to nuke the South without being provoked is not logical.
(...) he seems capable of just going in guns / weapons blazing because he seems to have a need to show his people and the rest of the world he's the boss /the big man.The idea that Kim is going to nuke the South without being provoked is not logical.
IMO, we are being manipulated yet again.
So.....
once THAAD is installed, is the US, south Korea and Japan ready to accept the risk and effectiveness of counter attack and collateral damage if NK is targeted?
I think the US may be forced in to the attack without consent from Japan and S.Korea, if need be. (Using THAAD as a level of assurance).
It makes no sense in waiting for N.Korea to develop their nuclear weapons and then watching them successfully test delivery platforms for its use.
Because by that time its too late.
The final key is China.
The US needs to compromise on relationships with China in order it will not get involved when N.Korea is attacked.
But hard to do if Trump set his targets on China as a route to improving the US economy. Maybe he needs to redefine his economic plan in how he plays China to retain jobs in the US?
once THAAD is installed, is the US, south Korea and Japan ready to accept the risk and effectiveness of counter attack and collateral damage if NK is targeted?
I think the US may be forced in to the attack without consent from Japan and S.Korea, if need be. (Using THAAD as a level of assurance).
It makes no sense in waiting for N.Korea to develop their nuclear weapons and then watching them successfully test delivery platforms for its use.
Because by that time its too late.
The final key is China.
The US needs to compromise on relationships with China in order it will not get involved when N.Korea is attacked.
But hard to do if Trump set his targets on China as a route to improving the US economy. Maybe he needs to redefine his economic plan in how he plays China to retain jobs in the US?
Interesting opinion from a semi official blog quoting the Chinese Global times, stating that China would not be averse to US air strikes against North Korea but would not permit South Korean or US troops over the demarcation line.
http://m.huanqiu.com/r/MV8wXzEwNTIwNzYxXzI4Ml8xNDk...
This is the closest thing we gave seen yet to an official Chinese acknowledgement of direct action against North Korea
http://m.huanqiu.com/r/MV8wXzEwNTIwNzYxXzI4Ml8xNDk...
This is the closest thing we gave seen yet to an official Chinese acknowledgement of direct action against North Korea
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