North Korea - how serious should we take them?
Discussion
Cobnapint said:
scherzkeks said:
Cobnapint said:
Nothing will happen until Fatty tests another nuke.
Nothing should happen unless he actually attacks someone. I realize that in neo-con fantasy land, this is not a requirement.
Apart from the annual military manoeuvres with the South (which are conducted to try and counter fatty's belligerence), NOBODY is threatening the North. Yet he, his diplomats, NK's state TV and schools display a constant obsession about war, and the death and destruction of the west.
Heed the warning signs. Many didn't (apart from Churchill) in the late 30's.
Where have I heard this before? Another tin-pot dictator, surrounded on all sides by enemies with superior weaponry and endless coffers is the current preeminent threat to the West.
Seems legit.
Another missile plops into the Sea of Japan as NK continues to perfect it's ballistic missile technology against the will of the international community.
....Well, most of the international community. See the video half way down, taken at NK's border with our friendly CIA operative killing international 'partners' China. They are still piling stuff into NK, keeping Fatty on his feet.
Like I said before, they're playing this game with two decks of cards.
http://news.sky.com/story/north-korea-fires-uniden...
....Well, most of the international community. See the video half way down, taken at NK's border with our friendly CIA operative killing international 'partners' China. They are still piling stuff into NK, keeping Fatty on his feet.
Like I said before, they're playing this game with two decks of cards.
http://news.sky.com/story/north-korea-fires-uniden...
Cobnapint said:
Another missile plops into the Sea of Japan as NK continues to perfect it's ballistic missile technology against the will of the international community.
....Well, most of the international community. See the video half way down, taken at NK's border with our friendly CIA operative killing international 'partners' China. They are still piling stuff into NK, keeping Fatty on his feet.
Like I said before, they're playing this game with two decks of cards.
http://news.sky.com/story/north-korea-fires-uniden...
North Korea has been a proxy war between the US and China and Russia since the 1950s.....Well, most of the international community. See the video half way down, taken at NK's border with our friendly CIA operative killing international 'partners' China. They are still piling stuff into NK, keeping Fatty on his feet.
Like I said before, they're playing this game with two decks of cards.
http://news.sky.com/story/north-korea-fires-uniden...
Yipper said:
North Korea has been a proxy war between the US and China and Russia since the 1950s.
You're missing the point. China is supposed to be increasingly unhappy with NK and allegedly stopped buying coal from them in a show of displeasure.But all that really happened was, NK had already reached its previously agreed quota for selling coal to China. This was a sanctions requirement layed out in a UNSC resolution in 2016.
Also, according to a professor of Asian security at the Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies says this: "No doubt, China is tightening the noose around Kim Jong-un’s neck, but it is nowhere near choking him. China’s trade with North Korea is significantly up from last year. And more importantly, the transfer of dual-use components from Chinese companies for use in North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs continues unabated."
So if true, there you have it. They are singing one tune to the west, and another to Pyongyang.
It landed in the sea.
"North Korea has fired an "unidentified projectile", believed to be a ballistic missile, towards Japan, South Korean officials have said."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north...
"North Korea has fired an "unidentified projectile", believed to be a ballistic missile, towards Japan, South Korean officials have said."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north...
Courtesy of the BBC website:-
North Korea has fired a short-range ballistic missile, the third apparently successful test in as many weeks.
The Scud flew about 450km (280 miles) before landing in Japanese waters, prompting Japan to lodge a protest.
Observers say the tests indicate the North is making progress towards missiles capable of carrying warheads.
The North has repeatedly defied a UN resolution banning all nuclear and missile activity, and has ramped up its tests in recent months.
The US Pacific Command said the missile was launched from Wonsan in North Korea and flew for about six minutes before landing.
Japan's chief cabinet secretary Yoshihide Suga told reporters that the missile landed in an area between Japan's Sado and Oki islands, in their exclusive economic zone.
A spokesman for South Korea's military said the missile reached an altitude of 120km, and "an analysis is under way on the specific number" of missiles fired, indicating that more than one could have been launched.
The launch comes a day after North Korea's state media reported the test of a new anti-aircraft weapon system, and released pictures of leader Kim Jong-un watching the test.
North Korea has a large stockpile of short-range Scud missiles developed by the Soviet Union. Modified versions of the Scud missiles can have a range of 1,000km.
The previous two launches were of medium to long range missiles, both of which the North claimed as "successful" tests.
The first of those launches was hailed by Pyongyang as a new type of rocket capable of carrying a nuclear warhead - it was a demonstration of the North's longest-range nuclear-capable weapon yet.
Pyongyang has been testing its missiles at an unprecedented pace and experts believe it is steadily edging towards the test of an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting the mainland United States.
North Korea says its weapons programme is necessary to counter US aggression.
North Korea has fired a short-range ballistic missile, the third apparently successful test in as many weeks.
The Scud flew about 450km (280 miles) before landing in Japanese waters, prompting Japan to lodge a protest.
Observers say the tests indicate the North is making progress towards missiles capable of carrying warheads.
The North has repeatedly defied a UN resolution banning all nuclear and missile activity, and has ramped up its tests in recent months.
The US Pacific Command said the missile was launched from Wonsan in North Korea and flew for about six minutes before landing.
Japan's chief cabinet secretary Yoshihide Suga told reporters that the missile landed in an area between Japan's Sado and Oki islands, in their exclusive economic zone.
A spokesman for South Korea's military said the missile reached an altitude of 120km, and "an analysis is under way on the specific number" of missiles fired, indicating that more than one could have been launched.
The launch comes a day after North Korea's state media reported the test of a new anti-aircraft weapon system, and released pictures of leader Kim Jong-un watching the test.
North Korea has a large stockpile of short-range Scud missiles developed by the Soviet Union. Modified versions of the Scud missiles can have a range of 1,000km.
The previous two launches were of medium to long range missiles, both of which the North claimed as "successful" tests.
The first of those launches was hailed by Pyongyang as a new type of rocket capable of carrying a nuclear warhead - it was a demonstration of the North's longest-range nuclear-capable weapon yet.
Pyongyang has been testing its missiles at an unprecedented pace and experts believe it is steadily edging towards the test of an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting the mainland United States.
North Korea says its weapons programme is necessary to counter US aggression.
This prick is preparing for war. The more missile tests, artillery barrages, live fire tank exercises and naval bombardments he watches, the more invincible he and his brainwashed nation think they are.
Here he is watching his new'ish KN-06 SAM system being tested the other day (I think that's all he does). The KN-06, which is a close relative of the Chinese HQ-9, which is itself a close relative of Russia's S-300.
https://youtu.be/sVgSeAWJtlo
Here he is watching his new'ish KN-06 SAM system being tested the other day (I think that's all he does). The KN-06, which is a close relative of the Chinese HQ-9, which is itself a close relative of Russia's S-300.
https://youtu.be/sVgSeAWJtlo
I some small way I kind of admire NK. They bring a little humility to the big world powers. They've been a thorn in the USA's side for decades, somewhere they can't just stomp into and remove the prevailing regime just because, well, "USA, USA, USA".
They've attacked nobody, nuked nobody and having been invaded by foreign powers have decided they need the ultimate deterent as their enemies have it.
Kim knows that if he attacks first it'll be end of his dynasty so why would he do it?
I'd leave him alone and let them get on with it. Quite why it irks the USA so much I don't know, the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi yet President after President lines up to sell them arms.
Of course the real reason for the current raising of tension towards NK is that they are on the brink of having a deterrent that can actually reach the US thus forever negating any threats Trump et all might ever want to make against them in the future.
It's a terrible regime but, just like the cold war, in a strange way it brings a little balance and check to things. If it's as terrible as we are told then eventually it'll fall from within. If the Chinese, who live next door, can cope with it I don't see our overriding right to change it.
They've attacked nobody, nuked nobody and having been invaded by foreign powers have decided they need the ultimate deterent as their enemies have it.
Kim knows that if he attacks first it'll be end of his dynasty so why would he do it?
I'd leave him alone and let them get on with it. Quite why it irks the USA so much I don't know, the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi yet President after President lines up to sell them arms.
Of course the real reason for the current raising of tension towards NK is that they are on the brink of having a deterrent that can actually reach the US thus forever negating any threats Trump et all might ever want to make against them in the future.
It's a terrible regime but, just like the cold war, in a strange way it brings a little balance and check to things. If it's as terrible as we are told then eventually it'll fall from within. If the Chinese, who live next door, can cope with it I don't see our overriding right to change it.
gadgetmac said:
I some small way I kind of admire NK...
They've attacked nobody, nuked nobody and having been invaded by foreign powers have decided they need the ultimate deterent as their enemies have it.
Well, apart from a few artillery shells, DMZ gunfights, mine planting in the south, a SK ship sinking, provocative drone flights, tunnelling, capturing a US naval vessel in the SoJ, dozens of border incursions, the list is long....They've attacked nobody, nuked nobody and having been invaded by foreign powers have decided they need the ultimate deterent as their enemies have it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_inc...
Cobnapint said:
gadgetmac said:
I some small way I kind of admire NK...
They've attacked nobody, nuked nobody and having been invaded by foreign powers have decided they need the ultimate deterent as their enemies have it.
Well, apart from a few artillery shells, DMZ gunfights, mine planting in the south, a SK ship sinking, provocative drone flights, tunnelling, capturing a US naval vessel in the SoJ, dozens of border incursions, the list is long....They've attacked nobody, nuked nobody and having been invaded by foreign powers have decided they need the ultimate deterent as their enemies have it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_inc...
. Or the nuking of 2 cities. Or, well the list is endless
The point I'm trying to make is this. He could just sit there, stfu, and live his little life being in charge of his own parish, killing and locking up who he likes, doing a bit of trade with China, shagging who he likes and having 24/7 access to unlimited stocks of black forest gateau.
But he isn't. He's drawing attention to himself.
But he isn't. He's drawing attention to himself.
gadgetmac said:
I some small way I kind of admire NK. They bring a little humility to the big world powers. They've been a thorn in the USA's side for decades, somewhere they can't just stomp into and remove the prevailing regime just because, well, "USA, USA, USA".
They've attacked nobody, nuked nobody and having been invaded by foreign powers have decided they need the ultimate deterent as their enemies have it.
Kim knows that if he attacks first it'll be end of his dynasty so why would he do it?
I'd leave him alone and let them get on with it. Quite why it irks the USA so much I don't know, the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi yet President after President lines up to sell them arms.
Of course the real reason for the current raising of tension towards NK is that they are on the brink of having a deterrent that can actually reach the US thus forever negating any threats Trump et all might ever want to make against them in the future.
It's a terrible regime but, just like the cold war, in a strange way it brings a little balance and check to things. If it's as terrible as we are told then eventually it'll fall from within. If the Chinese, who live next door, can cope with it I don't see our overriding right to change it.
And as each year passes they are slowly improving their missile technology, reliability, range and ultimately the ability to carry nuclear warheads. If we sit back and do nothing within 10 years when they have nuclear missiles (if we believe the experts) then North Korea will be almost untouchable like China/Russia/USA. The difference is they have a leader crazy enough to use themThey've attacked nobody, nuked nobody and having been invaded by foreign powers have decided they need the ultimate deterent as their enemies have it.
Kim knows that if he attacks first it'll be end of his dynasty so why would he do it?
I'd leave him alone and let them get on with it. Quite why it irks the USA so much I don't know, the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi yet President after President lines up to sell them arms.
Of course the real reason for the current raising of tension towards NK is that they are on the brink of having a deterrent that can actually reach the US thus forever negating any threats Trump et all might ever want to make against them in the future.
It's a terrible regime but, just like the cold war, in a strange way it brings a little balance and check to things. If it's as terrible as we are told then eventually it'll fall from within. If the Chinese, who live next door, can cope with it I don't see our overriding right to change it.
Cobnapint said:
The point I'm trying to make is this. He could just sit there, stfu, and live his little life being in charge of his own parish, killing and locking up who he likes, doing a bit of trade with China, shagging who he likes and having 24/7 access to unlimited stocks of black forest gateau.
But he isn't. He's drawing attention to himself.
I disagree.But he isn't. He's drawing attention to himself.
He feels under threat constantly and so makes a lot of noise to try and scare off his protagonists. Like a cat cornered by a dog he tries to puff himself up to appear very ferocious.
Why would he deliberately rattle the cage of the "big beast" otherwise? It makes no sense as he could easily do what you say and live a comfortable life away from the glare. It's like me constantly slapping Mike Tyson around the ear, I know it can only end one way if I continue so why would I instigate it?
I would rather equate China, they have the strongest economy and formidable military but lack oil and other resources, just like pre-WWII Germany.
Many other parallels could be made as well e.g. temporary good relations with Russia (Ribentrop-Molotov pact), conquering of territory before the war (they are building artificial islands in SCS just like Germany annexed part of Czech Republic) etc.
Many other parallels could be made as well e.g. temporary good relations with Russia (Ribentrop-Molotov pact), conquering of territory before the war (they are building artificial islands in SCS just like Germany annexed part of Czech Republic) etc.
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