North Korea - how serious should we take them?

[Globs]

The land of the free has banned it's citizens from travelling to NK from late august:

https://www.rt.com/usa/397131-north-korea-trump-ba...

Presumably the false flag that will get us into a chronic nuke war with NK is scheduled for september, maybe the US will choose sept 11 to match their other false flag that got us into the chronic M.E. wars. I'd expect the USS Reagan to be involved as that needs sinking to get rid of the contamination from Fukushima, just off NK would be so convenient.

In the meantime Hawaii (a once paradise starring in Magnum PI but now a combination of slums with the odd Oprah figure owning large chunks of it and a Fukushima washout problem) have obviously been informed at some level of the date of the new hostilities.
https://www.rt.com/usa/397132-hawaii-north-korea-m...

And of course the media are spreading The Fear so their simpleton populace can demand 'something be done'.
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/396440-us-north-korea-m...

Before the Saudi's shut down Qatar's media I found this article interesting, which explains why NK GDP is growing at around 9% a year despite the terrible burden of free education, housing and medicine it endures (which I guess here in the UK we all pay for anyway, just in a different way).
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/04/n...
I suppose lack of GMO, fracking waste and obesity reduce medical expenses.

One thing I'm still not seeing however is any possible threat from NK, who unlike various other countries including Syria has managed to hold off the US dogs of war successfully for all time.

Perhaps there's a danger the world will see a functioning society away from western central banking and corporate hegemony and that's the main reason for wanting to attack NK. It was certainly a driver for Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria and the first Korean war when the US stamped out the socialism in the part they'd annexed below the 38th parallel.

Here's an interesting article written by naughty socialists that discussed the way korea has been carved up and used by two super powers after WWII. After the Japanese left they were just replaced by the two victors, it's interesting to wonder how Korea would have turned out having been left alone.
For all talk of 'Russian aggression' it does appear that Russia has left NK alone for some time now, time for the US to leave too.

http://isj.org.uk/north-koreas-hidden-history/

[AreOut]

evilmunkey said:

i personally think anyone who wants to travel to North Korea should need a mental evaluation. with so many other wonderful places in the world why would anyone in there right mind want to go there ? maybe ex cons who are institutionalized who like a harsh regime but no one else. well except the chinese it would seem.

some people like adventure, I'd rather go to NK than climb M. Everest..still better chance to survive

[Dan_1981]

Hmm so in theory tonight's test could reach Chicago or thereabouts....

[Cobnapint]

Hmm indeed.

Each launch is an advancement over the last, and there have been plenty of launches, with more to come.

This one flew over 1800 miles upwards, and for 45 minutes. That's quite a bit of kit.

What we can't see is the ongoing work to miniaturise the banger that goes on the end.

Will Trump lash out, he's not in a great place at the mo.

[Welshbeef]

Dan_1981 said:

Hmm so in theory tonight's test could reach Chicago or thereabouts....

USA are getting to the point of actually we are not playing now and they could actually fk a massive part of our Western coast incl so many cities and people.

Enough is enough.
Maybe a very hard strike

[200bhp]

How long until the US starts trying to shoot the test rockets down? Maybe they're already trying?

[Welshbeef]

200bhp said:

How long until the US starts trying to shoot the test rockets down? Maybe they're already trying?

Surely they have been trying to shoot their own down first over the last x decades.

[garagewidow]

not until they are potent with a fixed warhead.

don't give away your military capability prematurely.

[Sylvaforever]

AreOut said:

some people like adventure, I'd rather go to NK than climb M. Everest..still better chance to survive

guess what's coming next...

[Robertj21a]

Cobnapint said:

Hmm indeed.

Each launch is an advancement over the last, and there have been plenty of launches, with more to come.

This one flew over 1800 miles upwards, and for 45 minutes. That's quite a bit of kit.

What we can't see is the ongoing work to miniaturise the banger that goes on the end.

Will Trump lash out, he's not in a great place at the mo.

This is where the problem is likely to be - Trump. His general attitude of Act Now, Think Later is not going to help in a situation like this.

[anonymous-user]

Robertj21a said:

This is where the problem is likely to be - Trump. His general attitude of Act Now, Think Later is not going to help in a situation like this.

Im no fan of Trump but NK was a hospital pass. What would Hillary have done?

[gadgetmac]

This latest missile launch was from a previously unknown (until now) launch site. It took a while for the US to actually figure out where it was exactly. It was also launched at night which is a first.

Knowing when the spy satellites would be overhead they deliberately deployed launch vehicles towards known launch sites at those times leading the US to be aware of an upcomming launch and think it would be done from a certain location - it wasn't.

Does anybody seriously still believe a first strike on NK could take out all of their capability?

Now more than at anytime before it is clear that a first strike will lead to the sacrificial death of tens of thousands of innocent South Koreans civilians and US personell in SE Asia.

Only a madman would attack them now.

[Robertj21a]

gadgetmac said:

This latest missile launch was from a previously unknown (until now) launch site. It took a while for the US to actually figure out where it was exactly. It was also launched at night which is a first.

Knowing when the spy satellites would be overhead they deliberately deployed launch vehicles towards known launch sites at those times leading the US to be aware of an upcomming launch and think it would be done from a certain location - it wasn't.

Does anybody seriously still believe a first strike on NK could take out all of their capability?

Now more than at anytime before it is clear that a first strike will lead to the sacrificial death of tens of thousands of innocent South Koreans civilians and US personell in SE Asia.

Only a madman would attack them now.

So we all leave him to do whatever he wants ? Are we all assuming he only wants it as a deterrent ?

[AreOut]

gadgetmac said:

This latest missile launch was from a previously unknown (until now) launch site. It took a while for the US to actually figure out where it was exactly. It was also launched at night which is a first.

Knowing when the spy satellites would be overhead they deliberately deployed launch vehicles towards known launch sites at those times leading the US to be aware of an upcomming launch and think it would be done from a certain location - it wasn't.

Does anybody seriously still believe a first strike on NK could take out all of their capability?

Now more than at anytime before it is clear that a first strike will lead to the sacrificial death of tens of thousands of innocent South Koreans civilians and US personell in SE Asia.

Only a madman would attack them now.

well US and SK would I hope depopulate the north of the country and move them to the south before striking, leaving only well fortified military

yes NK has the capability to strike further to the south but the damage would be significantly smaller as their artillery would be unusable in that case and they'd be left with ballistic missiles which they don't possess in large numbers

[jmorgan]

Robertj21a said:

So we all leave him to do whatever he wants ? Are we all assuming he only wants it as a deterrent ?

Bit of me thinks he is deliberately poking away in the hope someone clouts him so he can claim he was wronged.

[gadgetmac]

Robertj21a said:

gadgetmac said:

This latest missile launch was from a previously unknown (until now) launch site. It took a while for the US to actually figure out where it was exactly. It was also launched at night which is a first.

Knowing when the spy satellites would be overhead they deliberately deployed launch vehicles towards known launch sites at those times leading the US to be aware of an upcomming launch and think it would be done from a certain location - it wasn't.

Does anybody seriously still believe a first strike on NK could take out all of their capability?

Now more than at anytime before it is clear that a first strike will lead to the sacrificial death of tens of thousands of innocent South Koreans civilians and US personell in SE Asia.

Only a madman would attack them now.

So we all leave him to do whatever he wants ? Are we all assuming he only wants it as a deterrent ?

Of course we leave him to do what he wants. Other than as a deterrent why else would he want nukes? We leave China, Russia etc to do what they want and they are annexing other countries and islands.

We leave Pakistan alone as well.

We'll just have to learn to live with an it. Like we've done many times before.

[Robertj21a]

gadgetmac said:

Of course we leave him to do what he wants. Other than as a deterrent why else would he want nukes? We leave China, Russia etc to do what they want and they are annexing other countries and islands.

We leave Pakistan alone as well.

We'll just have to learn to live with an it. Like we've done many times before.

I take it you are assuming that he is totally sane, not likely to do anything 'silly' etc ?

[gadgetmac]

Robertj21a said:

gadgetmac said:

Of course we leave him to do what he wants. Other than as a deterrent why else would he want nukes? We leave China, Russia etc to do what they want and they are annexing other countries and islands.

We leave Pakistan alone as well.

We'll just have to learn to live with an it. Like we've done many times before.

I take it you are assuming that he is totally sane, not likely to do anything 'silly' etc ?

I'm no psychiatrist but he acts like a man who knows where his enemy is and doesn't hold back from calling it.

Why would he do something silly pre-emptively? It's self-evident that It would lead to the end of his rule.

[cqueen]

'Leave them to it while they are weak' is the same tactic we (the allies so to speak) used with the Nazis. Had we dealt with Hitler sooner the world would have suffered a mere fraction of the 50,000,000 that died. Instead we resisted going to war (understandably, because war is horrible) and ended up on the wrong end of a hiding.

Fat boy is weak, but clearly gaining strength and deliberately goading his enemies. This could be history repeating itself.

So, do you want 25 thousand dead? or 25 million?

Act now I say.

[Efbe]

cqueen said:

'Leave them to it while they are weak' is the same tactic we (the allies so to speak) used with the Nazis. Had we dealt with Hitler sooner the world would have suffered a mere fraction of the 50,000,000 that died. Instead we resisted going to war (understandably, because war is horrible) and ended up on the wrong end of a hiding.

Fat boy is weak, but clearly gaining strength and deliberately goading his enemies. This could be history repeating itself.

So, do you want 25 thousand dead? or 25 million?

Act now I say.

10 million in seoul.
last war killed 3 million people and wiped out 20% of the NK population.

that is what is at stake.

so rather than just attack, why not try the ridiculously obvious tactic that works in 99% of situations and the US is trying it's hardest to stop. Actually talking to Tubs.