Big bang near a mosque in Tipton.

[Transmat]

MX7 said:

No you're not. You're interested in one view and defending your faith, regardless of how absurd it makes you look.

What, defending Catholics?

[Shaw Tarse]

So, the Walsall & Wolvo "devices" actually go off & nobody noticed?
Or am I mishearing the news reports?

[MX7]

Transmat said:

MX7 said:

No you're not. You're interested in one view and defending your faith, regardless of how absurd it makes you look.

What, defending Catholics?

You're a Catholic? I can only hope that you're paid to go around picking fights to defend Muslims then. It seems to be quite a hobby of yours.

[Bill]

Shaw Tarse said:

So, the Walsall & Wolvo "devices" actually go off & nobody noticed?
Or am I mishearing the news reports?

That's my take on it. We should be grateful they're not as good at their chosen profession as the Poles seem to be

[heppers75]

I have been away from this for a while...

You have to love the exceptional head in the sand crap from some folks you really do.

It comes to something when no matter what, no matter how small a probability or possibility might be to simply air it is to give yourself a prejudicial label.

And I say that with a wry smile sat outdoors listening to a nearby call to prayer!

Edited by heppers75 on Friday 19th July 15:24

[Transmat]

MX7 said:

You're a Catholic? I can only hope that you're paid to go around picking fights to defend Muslims then. It seems to be quite a hobby of yours.

I'd defend any group of people if others were coming up with stupid stereotypical comments, I don't care if they are Muslims or pagans tbh. It just so happens that this forum has a lot of people who are anti Muslim, as apparently they all blow us up.

[heppers75]

Transmat said:

I'd defend any group of people if others were coming up with stupid stereotypical comments, I don't care if they are Muslims or pagans tbh. It just so happens that this forum has a lot of people who are anti Muslim, as apparently they all blow us up.

It does appear, on a swift glance I grant you... That your defence given and seeming offence taken does seem to be somewhat more animated when it comes to the Muslim community at large.

Personally I am a catholic (and a crap one at that!) and I could surmount many an argument to defend the many good works Catholicism has brought about, I would not be even a tenth as animated as you seem to be however when it comes to this topic and the Muslim faith were we discussing child abuse and there were the usual "fiddling fathers" platitudes trotted out.

[TheEnd]

heppers75 said:

Transmat said:

I'd defend any group of people if others were coming up with stupid stereotypical comments, I don't care if they are Muslims or pagans tbh. It just so happens that this forum has a lot of people who are anti Muslim, as apparently they all blow us up.

It does appear, on a swift glance I grant you... That your defence given and seeming offence taken does seem to be somewhat more animated when it comes to the Muslim community at large.

Personally I am a catholic (and a crap one at that!) and I could surmount many an argument to defend the many good works Catholicism has brought about, I would not be even a tenth as animated as you seem to be however when it comes to this topic and the Muslim faith were we discussing child abuse and there were the usual "fiddling fathers" platitudes trotted out.

Is there something that says he has to be the defender of all faiths?

If he want to defend muslim viewpoints, that's his lookout, and he's certainly got his work cut out on pistonheads.

[heppers75]

TheEnd said:

heppers75 said:

Transmat said:

I'd defend any group of people if others were coming up with stupid stereotypical comments, I don't care if they are Muslims or pagans tbh. It just so happens that this forum has a lot of people who are anti Muslim, as apparently they all blow us up.

It does appear, on a swift glance I grant you... That your defence given and seeming offence taken does seem to be somewhat more animated when it comes to the Muslim community at large.

Personally I am a catholic (and a crap one at that!) and I could surmount many an argument to defend the many good works Catholicism has brought about, I would not be even a tenth as animated as you seem to be however when it comes to this topic and the Muslim faith were we discussing child abuse and there were the usual "fiddling fathers" platitudes trotted out.

Is there something that says he has to be the defender of all faiths?

If he want to defend muslim viewpoints, that's his lookout, and he's certainly got his work cut out on pistonheads.

Not at all, I was simply drawing attention to the hypocrisy of the post that seemed to indicate a level playing field.

If folks have an agenda and "a side" then I think it is far more honest of them to state it and indeed I would have far more respect for someone willing to acknowledge they will defend their viewpoint to the bitter end then undertaking that. Than someone professing to be willing and open to all viewpoints, possibilities and probabilities no matter how contrary they are to their core beliefs then bleating on about prejudice etc.

[Transmat]

heppers75 said:

It does appear, on a swift glance I grant you... That your defence given and seeming offence taken does seem to be somewhat more animated when it comes to the Muslim community at large.

Personally I am a catholic (and a crap one at that!) and I could surmount many an argument to defend the many good works Catholicism has brought about, I would not be even a tenth as animated as you seem to be however when it comes to this topic and the Muslim faith were we discussing child abuse and there were the usual "fiddling fathers" platitudes trotted out.

I don't think faith really has anything to do with any crime, it's just people who commit crimes who happen to belong to faith groups.

In the 'another abuse gang thread' I was saying that there are a load of catholic priest kid fiddlers, because thre are! And thre are Muslims who plant bombs. But I just don't think they would blow up their own mosque. Then people in here post up news articles for Iraq mosque bombs as if that is some kind of 'evidence'!

The level of hatred towards Muslims in here is way out of context, it's beyond just normal criticisms.

[MX7]

Transmat said:

I don't think faith really has anything to do with any crime

Ok.


Edit:

You seem to be very inconsistant. Firstly you say that....

Transmat said:

Then people in here post up news articles for Iraq mosque bombs as if that is some kind of 'evidence'!

...and then I look at the abuse thread and you're doing exactly the same fking thing that you're criticising people for.

Transmat in the abuse thread said:

Another gang outed. Historic abuse, but still bad none the less.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348790/To...

So it's ok to search out white abuse gangs to demonstrate that it isn't only Muslims, but it's not ok to cite examples where Muslims do in fact blow up Muslims?

Edited by MX7 on Friday 19th July 16:25

[Transmat]

MX7 said:

So it's ok to search out white abuse gangs to demonstrate that it isn't only Muslims, but it's not ok to cite examples where Muslims do in fact blow up Muslims?

Edited by MX7 on Friday 19th July 16:25

It is right, but when it's done in sensible context not some stupid context to try and win and e-war.

Comparing Muslim abuse gangs and catholic abuse gangs in this country is completely reasonable.

Comparing 2 Eastern Europeans planting a nail bomb in a uk mosque with Shia Muslims in Iraq blowing up another mosque in a sectarian battle is a bit far fetched. If there were 2 different mosques locally in the k blowing each other up, fair enough. But this hasn't happened has it?

[MX7]

Transmat said:

It is right, but when it's done in sensible context not some stupid context to try and win and e-war.

And you get to decide what's 'sensible' do you?

Transmat said:

Comparing Muslim abuse gangs and catholic abuse gangs in this country is completely reasonable.

There was no mention of country.

"I do think the suggestion that a Muslim would blow up their own mosque is stupid though."

I have no idea how many mosques have been attacked in the Middle East over the past few years, but given that we hear abut it so regularly, I suspect it's dozens, or possibly hundreds.


I don't think it adds much to the debate by finding a mosque that has been blown up by Muslims, but nor do I think it adds anything to find a white abuse gang in an attempt to distract from what is a fairly obvious trend.

[heppers75]

Transmat said:

heppers75 said:

It does appear, on a swift glance I grant you... That your defence given and seeming offence taken does seem to be somewhat more animated when it comes to the Muslim community at large.

Personally I am a catholic (and a crap one at that!) and I could surmount many an argument to defend the many good works Catholicism has brought about, I would not be even a tenth as animated as you seem to be however when it comes to this topic and the Muslim faith were we discussing child abuse and there were the usual "fiddling fathers" platitudes trotted out.

I don't think faith really has anything to do with any crime, it's just people who commit crimes who happen to belong to faith groups.

In the 'another abuse gang thread' I was saying that there are a load of catholic priest kid fiddlers, because thre are! And thre are Muslims who plant bombs. But I just don't think they would blow up their own mosque. Then people in here post up news articles for Iraq mosque bombs as if that is some kind of 'evidence'!

The level of hatred towards Muslims in here is way out of context, it's beyond just normal criticisms.

There very well maybe those on here with an equally polar opposite view to yours and I suspect they would be equally unable to acknowledge their shortfalls in that polar opposite as you seem to be in yours.

There are many things where "in the eye of the beholder" rings true, beauty is one and the hatred you perceive as well as the fundamentalism your opposites likely perceive is indeed another.

For reference here I am on neither side and in neither camp, merely being a neutral observer both willing and able to take on board and process without prejudice both sides of the debate.

But where would we be without polar opposites, so perhaps ultimately the prejudice is even healthy and indeed necessary it is interesting nonetheless to see it in play.

[Transmat]

MX7 said:

There was no mention of country.

"I do think the suggestion that a Muslim would blow up their own mosque is stupid though."

I have no idea how many mosques have been attacked in the Middle East over the past few years, but given that we hear abut it so regularly, I suspect it's dozens, or possibly hundreds.


I don't think it adds much to the debate by finding a mosque that has been blown up by Muslims, but nor do I think it adds anything to find a white abuse gang in an attempt to distract from what is a fairly obvious trend.

The reason I quoted uk examples is because this thread was about bombs that happened in mosques in tipton and Wolverhampton, and the abuse gangs thread was (based upon what I read) about gangs in the uk abusing young girls.

If I got the wrong end of the stick about this thread and these are discussions about mosques being blown up in Iraq I'm happy to discuss those, but I just didn't want take it off topic.

As for the abuse gangs thread, if that topic means so much to you, you still didn't answer the point I raised to you about the stereotypes of abusers where you asked me to point you to other groups that commit similar crimes as you said there weren't any, and I pointed you to British sex tourists? You can reply in that thread if you like

[MX7]

You said that Muslims don't attack mosques. Someone, partly in jest I'd guess, cited an example of them doing just that. You should have said within the UK.

Transmat said:

As for the abuse gangs thread, if that topic means so much to you, you still didn't answer the point I raised to you about the stereotypes of abusers where you asked me to point you to other groups that commit similar crimes as you said there weren't any, and I pointed you to British sex tourists? You can reply in that thread if you like

It doesn't mean much to me. I know what I believe, and you'll defend anything that's criticism of Muslims to the extent that some people here actually thought you were a Muslim. I thought the discussion was going nowhere, and much of what you said was fairly stupid, so I left it. You then raised the abuse thread again, and I had a quick look to remind myself what you had written, and realised that you're quite willing to cite examples to support your case, yet you deride others who do the same.

I don't see any value in resurrecting the thread, so I didn't, I was just curious why your rules don't apply to you.

[AnonSpoilSport]

Transmat said:

heppers75 said:

It does appear, on a swift glance I grant you... That your defence given and seeming offence taken does seem to be somewhat more animated when it comes to the Muslim community at large.

Personally I am a catholic (and a crap one at that!) and I could surmount many an argument to defend the many good works Catholicism has brought about, I would not be even a tenth as animated as you seem to be however when it comes to this topic and the Muslim faith were we discussing child abuse and there were the usual "fiddling fathers" platitudes trotted out.

I don't think faith really has anything to do with any crime, it's just people who commit crimes who happen to belong to faith groups.

In the 'another abuse gang thread' I was saying that there are a load of catholic priest kid fiddlers, because thre are! And thre are Muslims who plant bombs. But I just don't think they would blow up their own mosque. Then people in here post up news articles for Iraq mosque bombs as if that is some kind of 'evidence'!

The level of hatred towards Muslims in here is way out of context, it's beyond just normal criticisms.

I think it's spreading; half an hour ago my eight year old piped up (out of the blue) with "The most evil nation in the world is Islam."

Didn't get it from me - we'd actually been talking about volcanoes - wasn't watching news etc. just playing on his Tablet. Possibly heard at school? I suspect your religion has a pr job to attend to.

[Asterix]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk-news/2013/jul/19/susp...

Interesting - hard to pin this on the EDL, or whoever the media wish to target, when it appears to be Ukrainians.

[Asterix]

Guam said:

I will grant you there is a strong secular and athiest bias on here and disdain for all religons. But singular hatred towards islam, not much that I have seen!

Agreed - Islam gets no more or less comment then any other religion on here unless there has been any violence by members of such group.

Ah....

[rohrl]

AnonSpoilSport said:

I think it's spreading; half an hour ago my eight year old piped up (out of the blue) with "The most evil nation in the world is Islam."

If my son was parroting moronic and bigoted statements like that I'd probably try to educate him out of it rather than boasting on the internet, but there we go.