Beta on the US Government shutting down? I think yes.
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The political climate in the US is the most toxic I have seen in modern times.
Hard as it is to believe these maniacs are heading for a complete shutdown. Its a bit too late for the Senate to do much now, and Monday night,, stuff begins to close up. Impact will be quite large as the public sector begins to furlough. Right now nobody seems to know how to resolve it but it will get even uglier by Monday.....
Hard as it is to believe these maniacs are heading for a complete shutdown. Its a bit too late for the Senate to do much now, and Monday night,, stuff begins to close up. Impact will be quite large as the public sector begins to furlough. Right now nobody seems to know how to resolve it but it will get even uglier by Monday.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/28/governmen...
Basically the Repubicans are determined to try to repeal the health care act in the US as well as force deep cuts in spending. As minority party they cannot repeal the law, so they have instead blocked the passing of expenditure authorities for everything meaning that the US could be in default of its debt obligations. It is very nasty in DC right now.
Basically the Repubicans are determined to try to repeal the health care act in the US as well as force deep cuts in spending. As minority party they cannot repeal the law, so they have instead blocked the passing of expenditure authorities for everything meaning that the US could be in default of its debt obligations. It is very nasty in DC right now.
Wasn't a winner a couple of years ago, don't think the public view has changed much since?
As much as half of the population of the U.S. probably do want to see Republicans get some leverage over healthcare giving the plums of ordinary Americans a bit of a squeeze probably isn't going to be a token the public find endearing.
As much as half of the population of the U.S. probably do want to see Republicans get some leverage over healthcare giving the plums of ordinary Americans a bit of a squeeze probably isn't going to be a token the public find endearing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/28/frank-kea...
Its not just a carbon copy...its a fair bit worse this time due to the extreme nature of US politics. should be a strange week next week.......
Its not just a carbon copy...its a fair bit worse this time due to the extreme nature of US politics. should be a strange week next week.......
Reminds me of a nutty burglar who was chased into a car park. We blocked off all the stairs and he ran onto the roof to be confronted by three PCs. He ran into one of the corners, climbed onto the balustrade and threatened to jump if the PCs came one step closer.
If only the burglar knew about the republicans. They don't threaten to kill themselves, just ruin the economy.
If only the burglar knew about the republicans. They don't threaten to kill themselves, just ruin the economy.
Problem with the US is they are run by a even bigger group of numpties than we are. They spend $25 billion + per annum fighting a phoney war on drugs that even a few of the states are now starting to question. This money is frittered away arresting casual users rather than concentrating on the big players as their budget depends purely on a numbers game.
Coupled with the fact the country has become so diverse and ungovernable it's a turned in to a savage plain so corrupted by excessive govf spending it has no where too turn.
I wish them a slow demise and plan on freshening up my Russian.
Coupled with the fact the country has become so diverse and ungovernable it's a turned in to a savage plain so corrupted by excessive govf spending it has no where too turn.
I wish them a slow demise and plan on freshening up my Russian.
jogon said:
Problem with the US is they are run by a even bigger group of numpties than we are.
By some measures the UK is actually in pretty deep and sinking fast. People in glass houses...I think Republicans will flinch although I suspect there are Democrats who would be happy to further antagonize the situation if they thought Republicans might actually scuttle their own ship.
So let me get this straight..... because they have run out of legitimate ways to block the Obamacare bill, the Republican party are now stamping their feet and deliberately blocking absolutely everything, sending the country into meltdown, until the Democrats agree to get rid of it for good?
Jesus tittyf
king Christ, its like the Lib Dems on steroids!
Jesus tittyf
king Christ, its like the Lib Dems on steroids!RDMcG said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/28/governmen...
Basically the Repubicans are determined to try to repeal the health care act in the US as well as force deep cuts in spending. As minority party they cannot repeal the law, so they have instead blocked the passing of expenditure authorities for everything meaning that the US could be in default of its debt obligations. It is very nasty in DC right now.
Actually the GOP has a majority in the house, around 230 seats.Basically the Repubicans are determined to try to repeal the health care act in the US as well as force deep cuts in spending. As minority party they cannot repeal the law, so they have instead blocked the passing of expenditure authorities for everything meaning that the US could be in default of its debt obligations. It is very nasty in DC right now.
It's really quite difficult to find an article that lays it out without heavy political bias.
NY Times had a piece that wasn't too bad. (sorry no link)
To put it into lay terms.
You are in a bad marriage, with divorce on the horizon, but you still have joint plastic. Your soon to be ex is still spending and you need to find a way to stop her.
Try to get her blacklisted at the shoe shop.
jeff m2 said:
Actually the GOP has a majority in the house, around 230 seats.
It's really quite difficult to find an article that lays it out without heavy political bias.
NY Times had a piece that wasn't too bad. (sorry no link)
To put it into lay terms.
You are in a bad marriage, with divorce on the horizon, but you still have joint plastic. Your soon to be ex is still spending and you need to find a way to stop her.
Try to get her blacklisted at the shoe shop.
Sorry..I misspoke and you are of course correct. Republicans control the house, Dems control the Senate, but both houses have to vote for the final bill, (whenever that occurs). There are two flashpoints...the budget right now and the debt limits around October 17. The most inneffective congress I can remember on both sides of this sorry mess.It's really quite difficult to find an article that lays it out without heavy political bias.
NY Times had a piece that wasn't too bad. (sorry no link)
To put it into lay terms.
You are in a bad marriage, with divorce on the horizon, but you still have joint plastic. Your soon to be ex is still spending and you need to find a way to stop her.
Try to get her blacklisted at the shoe shop.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-repub...
Looks like we are going in with no plan to get out.
RDMcG said:
Sorry..I misspoke and you are of course correct. Republicans control the house, Dems control the Senate, but both houses have to vote for the final bill, (whenever that occurs). There are two flashpoints...the budget right now and the debt limits around October 17. The most inneffective congress I can remember on both sides of this sorry mess.
Well the Senate has shut up shop and tossed the key
A little history may assist our across the pond dwellers. Obama had a majority in both houses prior to the healthcare bill.
To get it through Pelosi and the foul mouthed Rahm Emanuel threatened all the Dems in the house to toe the line or prepare to be fooked , "we will not fund your next election". So they all voted aye to a man.
The Dem housemembers need funding from central funds because unions cannot give to individuals which means they are far more likely to vote as a block than the GOP house members.
The public was pretty disgusted at the way the bill was pushed thru because it was delivered too late for members of either house to read it. (it was a tad verbose too)
Many of the Dems lost their seats during that election and that is where we sit today.
A healthcare bill that got into law, but the people that enabled it are gone.
On a more ironic note...Obama will be gone due to term limits so when it eventually gets fully implemented..... some other poor bas'd has to run it.
airbrakes said:
So let me get this straight..... because they have run out of legitimate ways to block the Obamacare bill, the Republican party are now stamping their feet and deliberately blocking absolutely everything, sending the country into meltdown, until the Democrats agree to get rid of it for good?
Jesus tittyfking Christ, its like the Lib Dems on steroids!
Pretty much, they're taking their ball home with them.Jesus tittyf
king Christ, its like the Lib Dems on steroids!I mean, the other day a Republican Senator 'Filibustered' - basically talking for hours on end to jam up the senate, this is usually done to block a bill - talk for hours and hours and the senate closes and "oops there wasn't enough time to pass a bill a majority voted for" - Yay democracy blocked by bureaucracy - only this plum had already voted in favour of the bill and it had already passed - he just ranted for 21+ hours about Obamacare, quoted some Dr. Seuss, a bit of Star Wars and Duck Dynasty.
It's the worst kind of political brinkmanship, they're risk it all in a stupid game of chicken to try to derail a bill - they could of course put their point to the electorate, if they agree they'll vote them into power and they can dismantle it, but I think they probably know the public want it.
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