Meanwhile in Turkey
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p1stonhead said:
Rich_W said:
MrBrightSi said:
jjlynn27 said:
So why post a reply?
It's always easier to manipulate less educated. In all three cases, you had urban dwellers voting one way and 'rurals' another. It corelates with level of education too.
Knowing that there are very many sensitive people, no this doesn't mean that all brexit voters are stupid/ill-educated.
I live in a city and am better than you - the post.It's always easier to manipulate less educated. In all three cases, you had urban dwellers voting one way and 'rurals' another. It corelates with level of education too.
Knowing that there are very many sensitive people, no this doesn't mean that all brexit voters are stupid/ill-educated.
"I voted Remain and therefore am better than you"
They (the extremist Remoaners) STILL DON'T GET IT!
Looking down your nose at people who voted for Leave doesn't make you smart. It marks you out as a
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Edited by p1stonhead on Tuesday 18th April 07:41
Older people voted leave.
Less people with a degree voted leave.
Weren't the older generation less reliant upon going to university in order to enter the workforce at the same level? When I attended Uni, the first thing said at the freshers/first year big meeting thing, was that Uni degrees are required more now because of the ease of access to Uni now.
Just my 2p, probably just uneducated.
avinalarf said:
jjlynn27 said:
avinalarf said:
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I struggle to agree with your analogy.The reasons for the Brexit ,Trump vote have been fully discussed on several forums.
You have your POV,that's ok ,no wish to have that debate yet again.
It's always easier to manipulate less educated. In all three cases, you had urban dwellers voting one way and 'rurals' another. It corelates with level of education too.
Knowing that there are very many sensitive people, no this doesn't mean that all brexit voters are stupid/ill-educated.
MrBrightSi said:
jjlynn27 said:
So why post a reply?
It's always easier to manipulate less educated. In all three cases, you had urban dwellers voting one way and 'rurals' another. It corelates with level of education too.
Knowing that there are very many sensitive people, no this doesn't mean that all brexit voters are stupid/ill-educated.
I live in a city and am better than you - the post.It's always easier to manipulate less educated. In all three cases, you had urban dwellers voting one way and 'rurals' another. It corelates with level of education too.
Knowing that there are very many sensitive people, no this doesn't mean that all brexit voters are stupid/ill-educated.
Rich_W said:
More accurately,
"I voted Remain and therefore am better than you"
They (the extremist Remoaners) STILL DON'T GET IT!
Looking down your nose at people who voted for Leave doesn't make you smart. It marks you out as a
Not at all. You shouldn't try to 'translate' what other people say. I don't know anyone who is looking down on people who voted leave. I know people who look down on simpletons who parrot 'still don't get it', or think that Melania Trump is very educated. "I voted Remain and therefore am better than you"
They (the extremist Remoaners) STILL DON'T GET IT!
Looking down your nose at people who voted for Leave doesn't make you smart. It marks you out as a
To be fair, compared to you she most certainly is.
MrBrightSi said:
p1stonhead said:
Rich_W said:
MrBrightSi said:
jjlynn27 said:
So why post a reply?
It's always easier to manipulate less educated. In all three cases, you had urban dwellers voting one way and 'rurals' another. It corelates with level of education too.
Knowing that there are very many sensitive people, no this doesn't mean that all brexit voters are stupid/ill-educated.
I live in a city and am better than you - the post.It's always easier to manipulate less educated. In all three cases, you had urban dwellers voting one way and 'rurals' another. It corelates with level of education too.
Knowing that there are very many sensitive people, no this doesn't mean that all brexit voters are stupid/ill-educated.
"I voted Remain and therefore am better than you"
They (the extremist Remoaners) STILL DON'T GET IT!
Looking down your nose at people who voted for Leave doesn't make you smart. It marks you out as a
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Edited by p1stonhead on Tuesday 18th April 07:41
Older people voted leave.
Less people with a degree voted leave.
Weren't the older generation less reliant upon going to university in order to enter the workforce at the same level? When I attended Uni, the first thing said at the freshers/first year big meeting thing, was that Uni degrees are required more now because of the ease of access to Uni now.
Just my 2p, probably just uneducated.
The majority of kids went straight from school at 16 into work. End of school at 16 really did mean end of your formal education outside the workplace for most people. Your education then continued at work with apprenticeships or day release to technical college. There was a lot of pressure for the average kid to get into work as quickly as possible.
This all changed in the late 80's and through the 90's where the average kid was expected to go to 6th form, then onto the new universities (old polytechnics).
So trying to use a degree as a gauge for intelligence for the older generations in particular is a rather silly thing to do, it wasn't an option for a lot of people and wasn't a desired requirement for the country and its job market at the time.
jsf said:
When a degree was more valued by employers, it was not the common thing to go to university. My generation didn't as a matter of course go to Uni, The brighter kids usually went to 6th form or technical college with only the very academic carrying on studying to university level.
The majority of kids went straight from school at 16 into work. End of school at 16 really did mean end of your formal education outside the workplace for most people. Your education then continued at work with apprenticeships or day release to technical college. There was a lot of pressure for the average kid to get into work as quickly as possible.
This all changed in the late 80's and through the 90's where the average kid was expected to go to 6th form, then onto the new universities (old polytechnics).
So trying to use a degree as a gauge for intelligence for the older generations in particular is a rather silly thing to do, it wasn't an option for a lot of people and wasn't a desired requirement for the country and its job market at the time.
Or in short; 'My excuse for not going to Uni, but still call want to call myself an 'engineer''. The majority of kids went straight from school at 16 into work. End of school at 16 really did mean end of your formal education outside the workplace for most people. Your education then continued at work with apprenticeships or day release to technical college. There was a lot of pressure for the average kid to get into work as quickly as possible.
This all changed in the late 80's and through the 90's where the average kid was expected to go to 6th form, then onto the new universities (old polytechnics).
So trying to use a degree as a gauge for intelligence for the older generations in particular is a rather silly thing to do, it wasn't an option for a lot of people and wasn't a desired requirement for the country and its job market at the time.
jjlynn27 said:
Rich_W said:
More accurately,
"I voted Remain and therefore am better than you"
They (the extremist Remoaners) STILL DON'T GET IT!
Looking down your nose at people who voted for Leave doesn't make you smart. It marks you out as a
Not at all. You shouldn't try to 'translate' what other people say. I don't know anyone who is looking down on people who voted leave. I know people who look down on simpletons who parrot 'still don't get it', or think that Melania Trump is very educated. "I voted Remain and therefore am better than you"
They (the extremist Remoaners) STILL DON'T GET IT!
Looking down your nose at people who voted for Leave doesn't make you smart. It marks you out as a
To be fair, compared to you she most certainly is.
jjlynn27 said:
jsf said:
When a degree was more valued by employers, it was not the common thing to go to university. My generation didn't as a matter of course go to Uni, The brighter kids usually went to 6th form or technical college with only the very academic carrying on studying to university level.
The majority of kids went straight from school at 16 into work. End of school at 16 really did mean end of your formal education outside the workplace for most people. Your education then continued at work with apprenticeships or day release to technical college. There was a lot of pressure for the average kid to get into work as quickly as possible.
This all changed in the late 80's and through the 90's where the average kid was expected to go to 6th form, then onto the new universities (old polytechnics).
So trying to use a degree as a gauge for intelligence for the older generations in particular is a rather silly thing to do, it wasn't an option for a lot of people and wasn't a desired requirement for the country and its job market at the time.
Or in short; 'My excuse for not going to Uni, but still call want to call myself an 'engineer''.The majority of kids went straight from school at 16 into work. End of school at 16 really did mean end of your formal education outside the workplace for most people. Your education then continued at work with apprenticeships or day release to technical college. There was a lot of pressure for the average kid to get into work as quickly as possible.
This all changed in the late 80's and through the 90's where the average kid was expected to go to 6th form, then onto the new universities (old polytechnics).
So trying to use a degree as a gauge for intelligence for the older generations in particular is a rather silly thing to do, it wasn't an option for a lot of people and wasn't a desired requirement for the country and its job market at the time.
Got to be a jjlynn27 foot in mouth record.
Tryke3 said:
Why are uneducated people allowed to vote, for the benefit of the human race shouldn't one at least havr a high school qualification to be able to vote ?
Clearly we ain't all the same
Most people still vote on emotion, or have a position informed by propaganda. Clearly we ain't all the same
So it's not quite the problem you think it is. None of us plebes ever have the information that matters; those deepest in the hallucination tend to be the ones most certain about things.
MrBrightSi said:
The petty insults fly from you don't they?
I've met engineers who weren't university educated who were very specialised in their fields, their ability to visualise and understand came from years on the job, your weird bias against those without a degree is pathetic.
Yes, I met one too. He came the other day to fix my dishwasher. His official title was 'white goods engineer', but he was specialising in dishwashers. I've met engineers who weren't university educated who were very specialised in their fields, their ability to visualise and understand came from years on the job, your weird bias against those without a degree is pathetic.
There were no insults, just statements of facts. I have no 'weird bias against those without a degree'. Some of my colleagues don't have one, and they are exceptionally good at their respective jobs. They also don't have a need to use made up titles to feel better about themselves.
Likes Fast Cars said:
Yes, you've touched on an interesting point here, even some of the religious fanatics were split on Reggie and his desire to be the Sultan and Caliph. In my view this was one of the contributing factors in the shift away from the AKP in general.
Considering the extent to which the "No" case was shut down, 51% (assuming it isn't a fix) is hardly a resounding endorsement. 
jjlynn27 said:
RBH58 said:
Considering the extent to which the "No" case was shut down, 51% (assuming it isn't a fix) is hardly a resounding endorsement.
It's got Trump's support so that must count for something surely?jjlynn27 said:
RBH58 said:
Considering the extent to which the "No" case was shut down, 51% (assuming it isn't a fix) is hardly a resounding endorsement.
It's got Trump's support so that must count for something surely?RBH58 said:
How could Trump not endorse it? Erdogan is basically replacing a Westminster style "democracy" with a US style "Presidential" one.....well....in principle anyway.
perhaps. But without any oversight / governance by an elected house. The devil is in the detail. The "parliament" which will be left after the constitutional changes can be dissolved / tampered with / ignored by the president. Judges appointed to the Supreme, Constitutional and other courts will not be subjected to any vetting process of parliament (presidential appointments). A State of Emergency can be called and kept in place indefinitely.
And no elected VP, but an appointed one.
The list goes on & on in his attempts to create the pious generation of Turks.
Likes Fast Cars said:
jjlynn27 said:
RBH58 said:
Considering the extent to which the "No" case was shut down, 51% (assuming it isn't a fix) is hardly a resounding endorsement.
It's got Trump's support so that must count for something surely?Very good post by nyxster on how Erdogan has manipulated the system perfectly to achieve his goals. Despite the election rigging, massive state funded yes campaign and even forming a coalition with one of the other parties the MHP, he still only managed to get 51% which just goes to show that not everyone in Turkey has been taken in by this charlatan.
The voting map does clearly show that the mostly educated city folk have seen through this sham but unfortunately Turkey still has a huge rural population who are ill educated and easily led, especially since Erdogan controls 95% of the mass media in the country.
There is also a very weird social condition which seems prevalent in Turkey in that people with influence and power are put on a massive pedestal, more so than many Western countries which means that Erdogan is almost worshipped and has VERY fanatical support. This could be a huge problem if their is a concerted effort at opposition to his plans as they won't go quietly so it will invariably lead to civil war and possibly trouble for the EU.
Ataturk's whole philosophy was to try to separate politics from religion but Erdogan has realised that religion is a very powerful tool and has done exactly the opposite, used religion to gain political power.
I really don't know what Erdogan's end game is though. Surely he has enough money to be able to retire and live 100 peaceful lifetimes now, I really don't know why he seems determined to make so many enemies, just to hold onto political power for a few more years.
The voting map does clearly show that the mostly educated city folk have seen through this sham but unfortunately Turkey still has a huge rural population who are ill educated and easily led, especially since Erdogan controls 95% of the mass media in the country.
There is also a very weird social condition which seems prevalent in Turkey in that people with influence and power are put on a massive pedestal, more so than many Western countries which means that Erdogan is almost worshipped and has VERY fanatical support. This could be a huge problem if their is a concerted effort at opposition to his plans as they won't go quietly so it will invariably lead to civil war and possibly trouble for the EU.
Ataturk's whole philosophy was to try to separate politics from religion but Erdogan has realised that religion is a very powerful tool and has done exactly the opposite, used religion to gain political power.
I really don't know what Erdogan's end game is though. Surely he has enough money to be able to retire and live 100 peaceful lifetimes now, I really don't know why he seems determined to make so many enemies, just to hold onto political power for a few more years.
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