Teacher Stabbed to Death

[madbadger]

Munter said:

boyse7en said:

Munter said:

Consider how you would act if you were demonised by society because of your age and dress sense, ignored by your parent(s), forced to spend 5 hours a day locked up with people you can't stand for numerous reasons, whittering on about stuff you can't understand, being punished because you're not interested, and told you have no future anyway because A)Your a boy and boys are scum, only girls are mature enough to make something of themselves B) There is no future for you even if you pay attention and get good grades.

Eventually some of them will snap.

What? Where did that lot come from?

Various Governments meddling with the education system, and laws generally. And a rose tinted set of specs for the people who did the meddling.

This is how we treat teenagers. Not a life I'd be happy with. But they have to put up with it.

They do have stupid fashion sense though.

[Zoon]

Munter said:

Consider how you would act if you were demonised by society because of your age and dress sense, ignored by your parent(s), forced to spend 5 hours a day locked up with people you can't stand for numerous reasons, whittering on about stuff you can't understand, being punished because you're not interested, and told you have no future anyway because A)You're a boy and boys are scum, only girls are mature enough to make something of themselves B) There is no future for you even if you pay attention and get good grades.

Eventually some of them will snap.

Edited by Munter on Monday 28th April 15:59

A very extreme example and certainly no excuse to go around stabbing someone regardless of how well you get on (or not) at school.

[Lost soul]

Munter said:

This is how we treat teenagers. Not a life I'd be happy with. But they have to put up with it.

Rubbish , kids are more molly coddled today than they have ever been

[Magog]

Lost soul said:

This country is really going down the stter

They were saying that 20 years ago when Phillip Lawrence was killed.

[Munter]

Lost soul said:

Munter said:

This is how we treat teenagers. Not a life I'd be happy with. But they have to put up with it.

Rubbish , kids are more molly coddled today than they have ever been

....and hows that working out for them/us

[scenario8]

Magog said:

Lost soul said:

This country is really going down the stter

They were saying that 20 years ago when Phillip Lawrence was killed.

It's been widely reported since year dot.

[Munter]

Zoon said:

A very extreme example and certainly no excuse to go around stabbing someone regardless of how well you get on (or not) at school.

It's not an excuse. But it's why it shouldn't come as a surprise when this sort of thing happens.

[Zoon]

Magog said:

They were saying that 20 years ago when Phillip Lawrence was killed.

The thing that worries me more about today's kids is this obsession with gang culture and the "innit" gangster speak that seem prevalent at the minute. I don't think it helps with all the gangs in the cities falling out about postcode turf wars of "dis-respecking" each other.

Something needs to be done about it, I cannot see how stabbing someone because they walked in your area is positive for this country.

[B17NNS]

scenario8 said:

Is this all just guess work/prejudice - or has facebook/twitter been at work?

The teacher has been named, the boy not but I'm sure it's out there on Twitter somewhere.

Sky saying the perp had said earlier in the day that the had a knife and was going to use it on the victim.

[10 Pence Short]

Munter said:

It's not an excuse. But it's why it shouldn't come as a surprise when this sort of thing happens.

Not sure that's realistic, to be honest.

It's rare for kids to go off at the deep end, despite it being common for teenagers to feel depressed about school, bullied or worthless.

I don't think isolated examples such as this tell us very much at all about society.

[Magog]

scenario8 said:

Magog said:

Lost soul said:

This country is really going down the stter

They were saying that 20 years ago when Phillip Lawrence was killed.

It's been widely reported since year dot.

That's certainly true. It's just the example that sprang to mind. Not to diminish the awfulness of what might have happened in this case, or that of Phillip Lawrence, but I think we're going to get a carbon copy media fuelled moral panic for a few weeks.

[Engineer1]

Its too late trying to teach discipline and respect at school, it needs parents buy in if parents don't respect teachers or other authority figures then the children aren't going to either. In some areas a teacher complaining about a pupil is more likely to result in the parents coming into school to complain about the teacher than in support from the parents.

[scenario8]

Engineer1 said:

Its too late trying to teach discipline and respect at school, it needs parents buy in if parents don't respect teachers or other authority figures then the children aren't going to either. In some areas a teacher complaining about a pupil is more likely to result in the parents coming into school to complain about the teacher than in support from the parents.

And that's true for nice middle class religous high schools as much as it is for inner city working (and non-working) class primary schools - if the grumbings of my teaching profession friends is anything to go by.

[SuperDude]

10 Pence Short said:

I don't think isolated examples such as this tell us very much at all about society.

Yep.

This is a shocking story because it almost never happens.

And yet, as per, people are calling the country f*cked?

[Munter]

10 Pence Short said:

Munter said:

It's not an excuse. But it's why it shouldn't come as a surprise when this sort of thing happens.

Not sure that's realistic, to be honest.

It's rare for kids to go off at the deep end, despite it being common for teenagers to feel depressed about school, bullied or worthless.

I don't think isolated examples such as this tell us very much at all about society.

I think the bit in your post where you mention "it being common for teenagers to feel depressed about school, bullied or worthless" does tell us about society. We know that there will always be a few outliers. Todays events are one of those outliers I agree. But shouldn't we be accepting that if we have a system that routinely makes their lives depressing. A system that they are legally forced to be in. That the outliers will include a few more stabbings etc than it otherwise would?

I'll bet this kid has a history of trouble. But the system will have continued to try and force the kid to comply with it's wishes. Without any good alternatives...something has to give.

We have a one size fits all system that commonly makes people depressed. Lets keep it, and blame people forcibly put through it for it's failings? I'm ok with either changing to a better system, or keeping it and not worrying about the effects. But I'm not going to be shocked/surprised/horrified when it produces this kind of effect. I expect it.

[Lost soul]

SuperDude said:

10 Pence Short said:

I don't think isolated examples such as this tell us very much at all about society.

Yep.

This is a shocking story because it almost never happens.

And yet, as per, people are calling the country f*cked?

the country is fked in comparison to other European countries people have no respect for others, you see this day in day out when driving or just walking around a town centre.

Most people in the UK seem to be obsessed with their own self worth with a strong dose of me me me thrown in

[Killer2005]

B17NNS said:

The teacher has been named, the boy not but I'm sure it's out there on Twitter somewhere.

Sky saying the perp had said earlier in the day that the had a knife and was going to use it on the victim.

Lots of rumours on Leeds based forums, the kid has been quoted as saying "I don't want to hurt you, I want to kill you".

From Sky news it sounds like its premeditated and he went to kill her.

RIP

[10 Pence Short]

Munter said:

I think the bit in your post where you mention "it being common for teenagers to feel depressed about school, bullied or worthless" does tell us about society. We know that there will always be a few outliers. Todays events are one of those outliers I agree. But shouldn't we be accepting that if we have a system that routinely makes their lives depressing. A system that they are legally forced to be in. That the outliers will include a few more stabbings etc than it otherwise would?

I'll bet this kid has a history of trouble. But the system will have continued to try and force the kid to comply with it's wishes. Without any good alternatives...something has to give.

We have a one size fits all system that commonly makes people depressed. Lets keep it, and blame people forcibly put through it for it's failings? I'm ok with either changing to a better system, or keeping it and not worrying about the effects. But I'm not going to be shocked/surprised/horrified when it produces this kind of effect. I expect it.

Being a teenager is the bit that can be depressing. Hormones all over the place, peer pressure and so on. It's not a new phenomenon or something that's appeared in the past 40 years. Kids have always felt pressured and angsty. I don't think Romeo & Juliet was written in recent times...

[Munter]

10 Pence Short said:

Being a teenager is the bit that can be depressing. Hormones all over the place, peer pressure and so on. It's not a new phenomenon or something that's appeared in the past 40 years. Kids have always felt pressured and angsty. I don't think Romeo & Juliet was written in recent times...

Indeed... I'm missing the point on how the way we treat kids now is intended NOT lead to them doing dumb stuff, so we should be surprised/horrified and all the other words people will use over the coming days. This has always been part of growing up, until we find another way of raising kids that's better. What's the big surprise?

Yet you look at the posts and none of it was "I wonder why he felt he had to do this?", it's instantly "Lock the fker up". Yet we (society), have created/have allowed him to be created. And now he's killed someone is when we decide to step in and declare instantly it's the kid at fault. Not us...

[Fastra]

"Police described the stabbing at the school as an "isolated incident"




I should feckin hope so too...!!