Hong kong protests - Huge

[FunkyNige]

rodericb said:

There are a lot of HK and mainlander university students in Australia and they've been kicking off. https://www.news.com.au/national/hong-kong-protest...

It's obviously making the news in Australia, as has other China infiltration types of things, and the happenings on the weekly enlightened persons debate on the ABC discussed same and prompted this opinion piece: https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hild...

There's an interesting YouTube video by a South African guy who's lived in China for the past 12 years about that -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uXreGimP-o

[anonymous-user]

Twitter has just released a statement that mainland China has been carrying out a large scale state initiated campaign in Hong Kong aimed at sowing political discord.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tictoc/status/116351695...

[rodericb]

Twitter and Facebook shut down 200,000 accounts: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/beijing-voi...

Australian security guards can't read "chinese": https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/chinese-dea...

Fake Chinese police cars: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-19/fake-chines...

[rodericb]

alfaman said:

rodericb said:

Dunno about the timing of this move: https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/30...

But what is probably closer to home is that the CEO or something of Cathay Pacific "resigned" last week: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/cathay-pacific-s-ceo-r...

The CEO ‘resignation’ is quite bad ... very well regarded across the industry.

Obvious political interference from China ( a Chinese airline owns 30% of Cathay) ... the communist party obviously didn’t like some of the employees supporting freedom and democracy in HK.

I wonder if China threatened to remove their license to land in China.

bully boy tactics

Some information about this. When asked for a list of staff who protested, he gave them a list containing one name - his own! https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3765103

[Register1]

El stovey said:

Hong Kong is Chinese. They have some interim temporary democracy but China is in charge and people are complaining about how these interim measures have been followed and new proposed deportation measures and what will actually happen when these interim measures end and China officially takes over fully.

I’m actually surprised by the amount of restraint China has shown so far.

Hong Kong won’t get some kind of permanent independence though or an extension to these temporary legislative measures in place now, which is probably what these protesters are hoping for.

Absolutely this 100000%
Hong Kong belongs to China, no if's or but's
No one should tell China how to do with HK.
The Beijing government has shown unreal restraint so far.
However, that could change in a heartbeat

[Register1]

BlackLabel said:

Almost a quarter of Hong Kong’s population took part in yesterday’s protests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-493862...

That will be BBC bullst again

[Register1]

FunkyNige said:

There's an interesting YouTube video by a South African guy who's lived in China for the past 12 years about that -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uXreGimP-o

Some of his stuff has an unreal twist.

[Leithen]

Register1 said:

El stovey said:

Hong Kong is Chinese. They have some interim temporary democracy but China is in charge and people are complaining about how these interim measures have been followed and new proposed deportation measures and what will actually happen when these interim measures end and China officially takes over fully.

I’m actually surprised by the amount of restraint China has shown so far.

Hong Kong won’t get some kind of permanent independence though or an extension to these temporary legislative measures in place now, which is probably what these protesters are hoping for.

Absolutely this 100000%
Hong Kong belongs to China, no if's or but's
No one should tell China how to do with HK.
The Beijing government has shown unreal restraint so far.
However, that could change in a heartbeat

These are Hong Kong citizens protesting in remarkable numbers. If HK belongs to China, then so do its citizens. If they are brave enough to protest, then one ought to respect their right to try and shape the governance of their home.

Rupert Hogg - hero.

[glazbagun]

Register1 said:

Absolutely this 100000%
Hong Kong belongs to China, no if's or but's
No one should tell China how to do with HK.
The Beijing government has shown unreal restraint so far.
However, that could change in a heartbeat

The Cantonese should. Looks like they're trying pretty hard to make their opinion heard but Beijjing doesn't care and never did.

[anonymous-user]

Register1 said:

Absolutely this 100000%
Hong Kong belongs to China, no if's or but's
No one should tell China how to do with HK.
The Beijing government has shown unreal restraint so far.
However, that could change in a heartbeat

China agreed to a phased transfer of power with a different legal status to the mainland, they should stick to that in both the letter and the spirit and bide their time until the agreed period has expired.

What is happening there is a reflection of how the Chinese head of the communist party is failing in his job, not just on this front, the other cockups that are affecting trade and internal growth are adding pressure to this new leader for life clown.

There was zero good sense in trying to introduce a law that caused these issues, it was idiotic policy, what they are now stting bricks about is that this will spread to the mainland. All there own fault.

[smack]

Register1 said:

FunkyNige said:

There's an interesting YouTube video by a South African guy who's lived in China for the past 12 years about that -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uXreGimP-o

Some of his stuff has an unreal twist.

I watched a bunch of his videos before I visited China last year, to get some insight to Shanghai and food/culture before I left. His early stuff was interesting on his experiences of China, but there was always some BS to it all, as he claimed to be British early on, no he is clearly South African, and also claimed to do various things for work, when later he admitted that he was a English Teacher (also for a short time a motorcycle mechanic and part owned the business).

Now most (all?) of his stuff is click bait, as a full time 'You Tuber" with video titles about people wanting to kill him, Chinese girls are easy, something about Scams or Danger. The Videos are all padded out to 10 mins so he can get more money per view from Youtube, and just full of ramblings, rather than adding value, and he keeps on churning out videos to make money.

[BlackLabel]

"The Hong Kong leader, Carrie Lam, is expected to formally withdraw an extradition bill on Wednesday that has sparked month of protests and plunged the territory into its biggest political crisis in decades, according to media reports.

The South China Morning Post reported that Lam was expected to meet pro-establishment lawmakers at 4pm local time before a possible announcement that the bill will be withdrawn. The Chinese-backed news outlet HK01 said Lam was going to meet with lawmakers and they expected the bill to be withdrawn."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/04/hong...

[mike74]

How come all the reporters covering the protests all feel the need to wear backpacks the same as the protesters?

I've never seen reporters wearing backpacks previously in any other situations, even in warzones, so why do they feel the need to wear them now just because all the protesters are wearing them?

[Tuna]

Astonishing scenes in Hong Kong, and remarkable that the protests are continuing with such force. As regular visitors leading up to the handover, this is desperately sad stuff.

Of course Hong Kong is no longer under our remit, but it is a terrible shame that the UK is not in a position to in some way help those involved find common ground, or protect those who are in danger.

[anonymous-user]

I first visited Hong Kong at the time of the handover in 1997, and now go there on business from time to time. It is by the way a wonderful place, but that by the by. I was last there two weeks ago and the atmosphere is, as you might expect, quite tense, and the protests much discussed in and out of business meetings. The one country two systems arrangement has another 28 years to run, but many are feeling the pressure from Beijing as the interim period approaches the half way point. The commitment of many in Hong Kong to maintain a distinct identity and some form of democracy is very strong, but I have no clue how things will pan out.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 1st October 13:43

[Sa Calobra]

What these young people are doing, the stamina. It's reminiscent sadly of Tiammanen square in 1989 but HK has way surpassed the length that the people have turned out.

I pray it's not the same outcome.

[anonymous-user]

“On 1 October 1949, Mao Zedong - or Chairman Mao - announced the formation of the PRC, after communist forces won a bloody civil war. “

Might be a big day today to embarrass China.

China starting to call the protesters terrorists. We all know what happens to terrorists.

[NRS]

Sa Calobra said:

What these young people are doing, the stamina. It's reminiscent sadly of Tiammanen square in 1989 but HK has way surpassed the length that the people have turned out.

I pray it's not the same outcome.

The protesters are basically trying to damage the economy as it is the only way to be noticed. I think China has probably decided that is fine, and will let them carry on and in the long term move more power and wealth to the mainland Chinese cities instead, and let HK weaken over time.

[Sa Calobra]

I don't think they are prepared to wait. They've doubled their security personnel to 10,000 in HK now. They'll be hitting them out in HK police kit..

[souper]

Seems live shots now fired. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-498914...

I found this site on youtube is mainly streamed live
HK Apple Daily https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNllwKr9tYY