Hong kong protests - Huge
Discussion
davepoth said:
Jimbeaux said:
Tens of thousands? This is why the Chinese need a larger military, to keep their own people in line. They seem surprised that only vetted canidates are allowed to run for Hong Kong office. Who will admit to believing that Hong Kong would be allowed to "do their own thing"?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/28/world/asia/china-hon...
They aren't surprised. They're acting surprised. Two entirely different things.http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/28/world/asia/china-hon...
China doesn't want a pluralist democracy in a Special Administrative Region of China, because it'll be much harder to hide than the massacre in Tienanmen Square all those years ago. If they say to Hong Kong "All right then, elect who you like", you can guarantee it won't be a Communist, and that won't go unnoticed on the mainland. There's a lot more dissent there than we ever see, it's just that China keeps a tight lid on it.
Zod said:
davepoth said:
I think it will tanks. They won't give in, and there's no chance of increasing autonomy.
Send in tanks and they'll kill the golden goose. HK's financial prosperity will not survive a military crackdown.crankedup said:
davepoth said:
Jimbeaux said:
Tens of thousands? This is why the Chinese need a larger military, to keep their own people in line. They seem surprised that only vetted canidates are allowed to run for Hong Kong office. Who will admit to believing that Hong Kong would be allowed to "do their own thing"?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/28/world/asia/china-hon...
They aren't surprised. They're acting surprised. Two entirely different things.http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/28/world/asia/china-hon...
China doesn't want a pluralist democracy in a Special Administrative Region of China, because it'll be much harder to hide than the massacre in Tienanmen Square all those years ago. If they say to Hong Kong "All right then, elect who you like", you can guarantee it won't be a Communist, and that won't go unnoticed on the mainland. There's a lot more dissent there than we ever see, it's just that China keeps a tight lid on it.
Zod said:
davepoth said:
I think it will tanks. They won't give in, and there's no chance of increasing autonomy.
Send in tanks and they'll kill the golden goose. HK's financial prosperity will not survive a military crackdown.It's not as if the financial services industry will refuse to do business with countries that have a poor human rights records.
Fittster said:
Zod said:
davepoth said:
I think it will tanks. They won't give in, and there's no chance of increasing autonomy.
Send in tanks and they'll kill the golden goose. HK's financial prosperity will not survive a military crackdown.It's not as if the financial services industry will refuse to do business with countries that have a poor human rights records.
Talk of the Chinese governments militaristic oppression and harking back to Tienanmen square is a bit unfair and disingenous, they were different times and different people in charge, but you have to ask yourself quite how other countries would deal with revolutionary or counter revolutionary ideals on the scale of those that led up to Tienanmen during that time of cold war etc... it's not all black and white, 100,000 students occupied the square for months and there was a lot of angst and deliberation involved in sending the tanks in, more I dare say than would have occurred in some "democracies" to be fair about it.
Fittster said:
crankedup said:
davepoth said:
Jimbeaux said:
Tens of thousands? This is why the Chinese need a larger military, to keep their own people in line. They seem surprised that only vetted canidates are allowed to run for Hong Kong office. Who will admit to believing that Hong Kong would be allowed to "do their own thing"?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/28/world/asia/china-hon...
They aren't surprised. They're acting surprised. Two entirely different things.http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/28/world/asia/china-hon...
China doesn't want a pluralist democracy in a Special Administrative Region of China, because it'll be much harder to hide than the massacre in Tienanmen Square all those years ago. If they say to Hong Kong "All right then, elect who you like", you can guarantee it won't be a Communist, and that won't go unnoticed on the mainland. There's a lot more dissent there than we ever see, it's just that China keeps a tight lid on it.
Fittster said:
Zod said:
davepoth said:
I think it will tanks. They won't give in, and there's no chance of increasing autonomy.
Send in tanks and they'll kill the golden goose. HK's financial prosperity will not survive a military crackdown.It's not as if the financial services industry will refuse to do business with countries that have a poor human rights records.
Zod said:
Fittster said:
Zod said:
davepoth said:
I think it will tanks. They won't give in, and there's no chance of increasing autonomy.
Send in tanks and they'll kill the golden goose. HK's financial prosperity will not survive a military crackdown.It's not as if the financial services industry will refuse to do business with countries that have a poor human rights records.
davepoth said:
Zod said:
Fittster said:
Zod said:
davepoth said:
I think it will tanks. They won't give in, and there's no chance of increasing autonomy.
Send in tanks and they'll kill the golden goose. HK's financial prosperity will not survive a military crackdown.It's not as if the financial services industry will refuse to do business with countries that have a poor human rights records.
Zod said:
Fittster said:
If you google "Human Rights" + either Singapore or Kuala Lumpur you don't exactly see results that would please a Guardian reader.
But they don't shoot people en masse. Fittster said:
Did financial services industry leave China after Tiananmen Square? Nothing has really changed since that event so has the financial services industry decided it didn't matter?
HSBC moved it's headquarters from Hong Kong to London in the 90s in run up to the transfer of power to China, so quite possibly the answer to your first question is 'yes', and your second question 'no'.The UK Foreign Office said it was "concerned" by the heavy response in its former colony - but China has warned the international community not to "interfere".
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hua Chunying said: "Hong Kong is China's Hong Kong. Hong Kong is purely our internal affair.
"We are resolutely opposed to any foreign country using any method to interfere in China's internal affairs."
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hua Chunying said: "Hong Kong is China's Hong Kong. Hong Kong is purely our internal affair.
"We are resolutely opposed to any foreign country using any method to interfere in China's internal affairs."
Mermaid said:
The UK Foreign Office said it was "concerned" by the heavy response in its former colony - but China has warned the international community not to "interfere".
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hua Chunying said: "Hong Kong is China's Hong Kong. Hong Kong is purely our internal affair.
"We are resolutely opposed to any foreign country using any method to interfere in China's internal affairs."
Is that diplo-speak for "fk off and mind your own business"?Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hua Chunying said: "Hong Kong is China's Hong Kong. Hong Kong is purely our internal affair.
"We are resolutely opposed to any foreign country using any method to interfere in China's internal affairs."
davepoth said:
No, but they are a little bit better than China. Only a little bit, but they are.
I'd say Singapore is in a whole different league to China. Malaysia has other problems, let's just say religion-wise.Back to HK, the simple solution for China is to continue the 'one country, two systems' approach. They have created this problem in the first place by trying to vet candidates only last month.
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