scotland to reduce Drink Drive limit

[Smokehead]

The next step of the SNP nanny state will be zero tolerance until they get the result they expected.

[simoid]

Fair play to them Alangla, I was just quoting off the Beeb news article and not the actual journal.

If I recall correctly, back in the 60s, they got London bus drivers to do various tests while feeding them beer, such as “is your bus able to fit through these cones?”. Those who had 1 beer (might have been a half pint) seemed more confident in their abilities and indeed were able to manoeuvre between cones better than the sober drivers. They started flattening cones with more beer though.

[AJL308]

simoid said:

"The most plausible explanation of our finding is that the new blood alcohol limit was insufficiently enforced, publicised, or both."

Or changing the limit makes fk all difference as anyone who broke 80 will happily break 50

I recall reading a statistic a few years back that stated that more than half the people who were breathalysed were MORE than twice over the limit. That was the limit in England.

Considering that it's the LOWEST reading that they use to prosecute you and it's usually a reading taken some time after you've been stopped AND to blow twice the limit you actually have to have been drinking quite significantly, it is clear that a majority of those caught simply disn't give a fk about the previous limit - let alone a lowered one! So what's the point?

[Driver101]

irc said:

The SNP govt nanny state minimum alcohol pricing was also a raging success. In the first 6 months consumption went up.

https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2018/11/f...

It guess it depends on what report you read.

I read an article the other week that shared evidence that the acceleration in the decline of consumption in Scotland had increased.

[RogueTrooper]

Drumroll said:

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Care to actually link that statement to some actual evidence? Should be easy for you as there is "repeated studies"

The original study/studies of which I'm aware somewhat predate the internet, by decades, so might not be so easy to link to.

Have a look into the "Borkenstein dip" - it's interesting historical reading for those with an interest in drink-driving legislation or enforcement.

[Lotobear]

This interests me as I live on the English side of the border and in a single drive I might cross in and out of Scotland.

Suppose I had a pint or two in England which left me within the legal limit in England but over in Scotland. I get nabbed on the Scottish side as I'm over their limit.

Would the ensuing ban also apply in England - I'm guessing it would but how would that be equitable?

Moreover, if tartan plod followed me over to the English side what is their jurisdiction if I was found to be under for England, in England, but over for Scotland?

All theoretical of course, I'm just interested to know as very often around these parts you're never quite sure which side of the Border you might be on, especially on rural back roads.

[Dr Jekyll]

https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/

[Nickgnome]

Let’s hope we can follow Scotland’s lead and extend to England as well in the near future.

Keep it simple. If you want a drink do not drive.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Nickgnome said:

Let’s hope we can follow Scotland’s lead and extend to England as well in the near future.

Keep it simple. If you want a drink do not drive.

Why? you can see its doesn't make any difference.

All it does is criminalize people for no productive outcome or is the productivity of it just making idealistic child like minded people like you feel nice inside?

[Edinburger]

BlackLabel said:

Reduced drink-drive limit in Scotland has no impact on cutting road accidents.






https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/...

Are you suggesting the reduction was a mistake.

No one should be behind the wheel under the influence of any alcohol. End of.

[Edinburger]

Lotobear said:

This interests me as I live on the English side of the border and in a single drive I might cross in and out of Scotland.

Suppose I had a pint or two in England which left me within the legal limit in England but over in Scotland. I get nabbed on the Scottish side as I'm over their limit.

Would the ensuing ban also apply in England - I'm guessing it would but how would that be equitable?

Moreover, if tartan plod followed me over to the English side what is their jurisdiction if I was found to be under for England, in England, but over for Scotland?

All theoretical of course, I'm just interested to know as very often around these parts you're never quite sure which side of the Border you might be on, especially on rural back roads.

Why would you have a pint and then drive? Regardless of whether you're in England or Scotland or anywhere else, why do you think that's a good idea?

[Edinburger]

Nickgnome said:

Let’s hope we can follow Scotland’s lead and extend to England as well in the near future.

Keep it simple. If you want a drink do not drive.

Well said.

[Edinburger]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Nickgnome said:

Let’s hope we can follow Scotland’s lead and extend to England as well in the near future.

Keep it simple. If you want a drink do not drive.

Why? you can see its doesn't make any difference.

All it does is criminalize people for no productive outcome or is the productivity of it just making idealistic child like minded people like you feel nice inside?

Why do you think should drink and drive?

Why do you think Scotland's limit is now in line with most of the rest of Europe?

Question: would you let your kids go in the car with someone who has had a pint or two?

[Dr Jekyll]

Edinburger said:

Why do you think should drink and drive?

Why do you think Scotland's limit is now in line with most of the rest of Europe?

Question: would you let your kids go in the car with someone who has had a pint or two?

Nobody is suggesting drinking and driving. Just pointing out that the Scottish rules haven't achieved anything so are therefore pointless.

[NomduJour]

What next? Ban driving if you’ve had an argument with the wife? If you have a cold? With children in the car?

Why not just ban driving altogether - any risk of an accident is surely unacceptable.

[Edinburger]

NomduJour said:

What next? Ban driving if you’ve had an argument with the wife? If you have a cold? With children in the car?

Why not just ban driving altogether - any risk of an accident is surely unacceptable.

That's just being stupid.

Would you get on a plane if the pilot has just had a couple of pints?

[tannhauser]

RogueTrooper said:

Drumroll said:

DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.

Care to actually link that statement to some actual evidence? Should be easy for you as there is "repeated studies"

The original study/studies of which I'm aware somewhat predate the internet, by decades, so might not be so easy to link to.

Have a look into the "Borkenstein dip" - it's interesting historical reading for those with an interest in drink-driving legislation or enforcement.

I too am very interested in this - I have heard it before, it kind of makes sense and indeed often I feel a lot more alert, confident and coordinated after perhaps one drink, which then of course tails off rapidly the more I have - obviously in non-driving situations mind!

I was also going to cry the (rather tiresome!) "source?!" tagline, however yes it probably pre-dates the internet, and it's obviously something that people wouldn't want to admit or publicise, with the fear of appearing to advocate any element of having a drink and driving as being OK.

Happy to see this bks Scottish law has made sweet FA difference. Tossers.

[NomduJour]

Edinburger said:

That's just being stupid.

Would you get on a plane if the pilot has just had a couple of pints?

It’s a stupid analogy, but I’d wager you’d never know the difference in such a controlled environment.

[tannhauser]

Smokehead said:

The next step of the SNP nanny state will be zero tolerance until they get the result they expected.

But it'll clearly make FA difference? So what result are they after? Other than to incriminate previously legal (and safe) drivers?!

simoid said:

Fair play to them Alangla, I was just quoting off the Beeb news article and not the actual journal.

If I recall correctly, back in the 60s, they got London bus drivers to do various tests while feeding them beer, such as “is your bus able to fit through these cones?”. Those who had 1 beer (might have been a half pint) seemed more confident in their abilities and indeed were able to manoeuvre between cones better than the sober drivers. They started flattening cones with more beer though.

I remember seeing a similar YT clip from the early 80s, with a rather nice Escort Mk2 Mexico if I remember rightly, where they carried out tests with increasing amounts of alcohol. Not sure if they drew this result though.

[Nickgnome]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Nickgnome said:

Let’s hope we can follow Scotland’s lead and extend to England as well in the near future.

Keep it simple. If you want a drink do not drive.

Why? you can see its doesn't make any difference.

All it does is criminalize people for no productive outcome or is the productivity of it just making idealistic child like minded people like you feel nice inside?

How can you say it will make no difference to every or any driver. That is unsubstantiated.

You wont be criminalised if you don’t break the law. Bit like speeding really.