Katie Hopkins offensive tweets

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Bill

52,472 posts

254 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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Mr. White said:
chris watton said:
Didn't Polly Toinby (sp)! of The Guardian once write an article for that paper that suggested that a Tory policy equated to 'The Final Solution?

AFAIAA she still writes for that paper and makes endless appearances on BBC news and current affairs stuff.
She did. However a Guardian journo is less likely to be targeted by the professionally offended brigade than Hopkins. That was also in 2010 so extreme left fascism wasn't as prevalent.

That's my concern. Elements of the extreme left do not understand that the way to deal with idiots is to discusss, educate and reason; not isolate and force them out of society. That leads to exactly the rise in far right anger that is becoming more evident. On theme, it is fascism but the extreme left can't see it as they think they have the moral high ground.

That's much more concerning to me than a known provocateur making a stupid comment on twitter.
She compared something to the final solution, rather than suggesting we need a final solution. The two aren't comparable.

Goaty Bill 2

3,393 posts

118 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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Mr. White said:
chris watton said:
Didn't Polly Toinby (sp)! of The Guardian once write an article for that paper that suggested that a Tory policy equated to 'The Final Solution?

AFAIAA she still writes for that paper and makes endless appearances on BBC news and current affairs stuff.
She did. However a Guardian journo is less likely to be targeted by the professionally offended brigade than Hopkins. That was also in 2010 so extreme left fascism wasn't as prevalent.

That's my concern. Elements of the extreme left do not understand that the way to deal with idiots is to discusss, educate and reason; not isolate and force them out of society. That leads to exactly the rise in far right anger that is becoming more evident. On theme, it is fascism but the extreme left can't see it as they think they have the moral high ground.

That's much more concerning to me than a known provocateur making a stupid comment on twitter.
It is much more difficult to support the rights of those one naturally despises, than those with whom one agrees, and all the more important because of that.


Randy Winkman

16,012 posts

188 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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Mr. White said:
That's my concern. Elements of the extreme left do not understand that the way to deal with idiots is to discusss, educate and reason; not isolate and force them out of society.
And elements of the right don't understand that if you are seeking attention you have to accept the consequences.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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irocfan said:
errrmmm you may want to rethink that little bit. The dude with the funny 'tache could only dream of the numbers killed by the other side
"the other side"? You may want to re-read his post.

Mr. White

1,029 posts

103 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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Randy Winkman said:
And elements of the right don't understand that if you are seeking attention you have to accept the consequences.
"The consequences". What are the consequences of a difference of opinion then?

Bill

52,472 posts

254 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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Mr. White said:
"The consequences". What are the consequences of a difference of opinion then?
Well, if you are closely associated with your employer and espouse genocide you shouldn't be surprised if they don't want to employ you any more.

She was pushing buttons as she does, unfortunately for her she used the big one with " DON'T PUSH" on it.

twister

1,450 posts

235 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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SDB660 said:
jjlynn27 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I can't stand the bint, but she wasn't calling for a final solution re Muslims in general, but Islamic terrorists in particular. That would be my understanding of her tweet.

And if so, what's the problem? She's calling for the extermination of Islamic terrorists, which as they are, to use another controversial Nazi reference, vermin, then so what?

Anyone got an issue with wiping IS and their ilk off the face of the planet?
Given her propensity to label random Muslims as terrorists I have zero sympathies. No redeeming qualities whatsoever. Target audience; simple, ill-educated bigots.
LBC audience is 59% ABC1.

http://www.global.com/radio/lbc/audience/#stats
Their overall audience yes. Doesn't necessarily translate into the same audience makeup for a specific show, though...

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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Hatie Kopkins was taking about the Manchester suicide bomber - an Islamic terrorist.

She referred to needing a final solution.

There is no doubt at all what she was implying.

I.e. Hatie wants to apply the mass gassing of Jews by the Nazis to our current problems with Islamic terrorists. It sounds like she is demonising all muslims.

Interesting times that some not only feel able to defend her statement here, but feel it's reasonable to be vociferous about it in public. It is telling that they purport to be unaware of her deliberate intent with the wording; either surprising ignorance or a faux defence to prop up their support of her obvious hatred towards that group.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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This woman is a bottom feeding, lowest common denominator turd, nothing more, she's vile - and she knows it

SDB660

568 posts

194 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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It does make me wonder how many of the previous comments are based purely on her Twitter feed and not on her LBC show.

As an avid LBC listener and not much of a Twitterer, my view is she:
- Actually went out to view situations herself. For example driving through Calais with truckers, going off to US in election time etc and so on.
- Allowed people to speak on her show and thanked them at end of conversation for calling in although views were different.

Contrast this with James O'Brien who I could imagine a lot of people who dislike KH would agree with.

Randy Winkman

16,012 posts

188 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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Mr. White said:
Randy Winkman said:
And elements of the right don't understand that if you are seeking attention you have to accept the consequences.
"The consequences". What are the consequences of a difference of opinion then?
People tell you what they think of you, people sack you. Stuff like that.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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SDB660 said:
jjlynn27 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I can't stand the bint, but she wasn't calling for a final solution re Muslims in general, but Islamic terrorists in particular. That would be my understanding of her tweet.

And if so, what's the problem? She's calling for the extermination of Islamic terrorists, which as they are, to use another controversial Nazi reference, vermin, then so what?

Anyone got an issue with wiping IS and their ilk off the face of the planet?
Given her propensity to label random Muslims as terrorists I have zero sympathies. No redeeming qualities whatsoever. Target audience; simple, ill-educated bigots.
LBC audience is 59% ABC1.

http://www.global.com/radio/lbc/audience/#stats
And?

I very much doubt that same people listen to NF, JOB as KH.

You just have to look at this thread for people who are defending KH. Not exactly Russell Group material.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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///ajd said:
I.e. Hatie wants to apply the mass gassing of Jews by the Nazis to our current problems with Islamic terrorists. It sounds like she is demonising all muslims.
Impeccable logic. No wait, I mean laughable.

I'd like to see a massive clampdown on the scummy little bike thieves that ride around on stolen scooters. According to your sentiments that means I actually want to see everyone riding a scooter prosecuted.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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jjlynn27 said:
And?
'And' ABC1 is not a range of classes associated with simple, ill educated people. Bigots also exist in every single class. The point is your hand waving generalisations are demonstrably bks.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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Mr2Mike said:
jjlynn27 said:
And?
'And' ABC1 is not a range of classes associated with simple, ill educated people. Bigots also exist in every single class. The point is your hand waving generalisations are demonstrably bks.
It's a percentage of those socio-economic groups for the whole of LBC. Not for KH show. Do you understand the difference?

SDB660

568 posts

194 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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jjlynn27 said:
SDB660 said:
jjlynn27 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I can't stand the bint, but she wasn't calling for a final solution re Muslims in general, but Islamic terrorists in particular. That would be my understanding of her tweet.

And if so, what's the problem? She's calling for the extermination of Islamic terrorists, which as they are, to use another controversial Nazi reference, vermin, then so what?

Anyone got an issue with wiping IS and their ilk off the face of the planet?
Given her propensity to label random Muslims as terrorists I have zero sympathies. No redeeming qualities whatsoever. Target audience; simple, ill-educated bigots.
LBC audience is 59% ABC1.

http://www.global.com/radio/lbc/audience/#stats
And?

I very much doubt that same people listen to NF, JOB as KH.

You just have to look at this thread for people who are defending KH. Not exactly Russell Group material.
Blimey. As it happens I listen to them all to try and get a balanced opinion. LBC subscriber. JOB is particularly painful, but still listen. Have you made an attempt to listen to KH? The audience figures were at least a fact based attempt at getting you to broaden your mind.

It is interesting that an intellectual like yourself, albeit one that does not want to bother with troublesome facts surrounding KH audience and the background of people on this forum, seems to have such a strong opinion based on not a lot.

Damn those pesky thickos that are allowed to put forward an opinion contrary to your own. Shout them down with superior intellect and incisive thinking... or perhaps not.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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SDB660 said:
Blimey. As it happens I listen to them all to try and get a balanced opinion. LBC subscriber. JOB is particularly painful, but still listen. Have you made an attempt to listen to KH? The audience figures were at least a fact based attempt at getting you to broaden your mind.

It is interesting that an intellectual like yourself, albeit one that does not want to bother with troublesome facts surrounding KH audience and the background of people on this forum, seems to have such a strong opinion based on not a lot.

Damn those pesky thickos that are allowed to put forward an opinion contrary to your own. Shout them down with superior intellect and incisive thinking... or perhaps not.
Calm down. She's an 'ex-Apprentice contestant'. She made the name for herself appealing to the bottom of the barrel nobodies by being 'controversial'. Same target audience as Alex Jones. Wasn't there a bloke who didn't understand what 'final-solution' means?

Are there people with more than one GCSE who'll listen to KH? I'm sure that there are. They would be very much a minority.

It seems that everyone who doesn't bow at the altar of KH is a lefty's.

SDB660

568 posts

194 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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Out of interest. How would you categorise James O'Briens audience?

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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Mr2Mike said:
///ajd said:
I.e. Hatie wants to apply the mass gassing of Jews by the Nazis to our current problems with Islamic terrorists. It sounds like she is demonising all muslims.
Impeccable logic. No wait, I mean laughable.

I'd like to see a massive clampdown on the scummy little bike thieves that ride around on stolen scooters. According to your sentiments that means I actually want to see everyone riding a scooter prosecuted.
For some reason you fail to grasp the implications of the phrase "final solution"

The nazis didn't just persecute the individual Jews who they blamed for the woes of 1930s Germany, did they?

They persecuted the whole lot, every Jew.

Hatie Kopkins is clearly taking a "kick them all out" Tommy Robinson line here.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,244 posts

149 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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///ajd said:
For some reason you fail to grasp the implications of the phrase "final solution"

The nazis didn't just persecute the individual Jews who they blamed for the woes of 1930s Germany, did they?

They persecuted the whole lot, every Jew.

Hatie Kopkins is clearly taking a "kick them all out" Tommy Robinson line here.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what she believes, but you'd have to be rabidly anti Hopkins to the point of irrationality to read that message into that one tweet.

The subject at hand was Islamic terrorism, and she called for a final solution. Assuming she knew the relevance of the phrase, the tweet is calling for the extermination of Islamic terrorists.