Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case
Discussion
Escapegoat said:
For those struggling to understand Stayinbed's insistence on sticking to his definition of evidence:
"There's as much evidence of Stayinbed being a paedophile as there is Epstein having been a paedophile."
There; that clears everything up, right, Stayinbed?
So Escapegoat is as much a paedophile as Epstein then ?"There's as much evidence of Stayinbed being a paedophile as there is Epstein having been a paedophile."
There; that clears everything up, right, Stayinbed?
BaldOldMan said:
So Escapegoat is as much a paedophile as Epstein then ?
Stay on point: Stayinbed is all about the "evidence of"?ETA: I'm more than happy to say there's more evidence of Epstein having been a paedophile than there is evidence that I am. It's Stayinbed who doesn't want to say it.
Escapegoat said:
Stay on point: Stayinbed is all about the "evidence of"?
ETA: I'm more than happy to say there's more evidence of Epstein having been a paedophile than there is evidence that I am. It's Stayinbed who doesn't want to say it.
Nope - I'm not getting it - by your logic, there's as much evidence of Escapegoat being a paedophile..........ETA: I'm more than happy to say there's more evidence of Epstein having been a paedophile than there is evidence that I am. It's Stayinbed who doesn't want to say it.
On the wider question - there's a lot we all don't know.
Epstein is a convicted sex offender - he may or may not have been a paedophile.
When I joined the police, way back in the dark ages, the talk was all about Princess Margaret - hyped on this thread, I seem to remember, as a better option for queen than Madge - and her affair with Binden. He was a serial offender. He was tried for murder and his defence was self defence, after evidence of a contract being put out for the death of the victim, one Darke, was not fully explored in the trial. His defence was that the nine times he stabbed Darke were all to do with self defence.
Rumour had it at the time that a quantity of money had passed from the Binden side to the prosecution side, for what I can't remember. It was in a book on Operation Countryman, the investigation into corruption in the City and Metropolitan police. In fact, two books, although the source was probably the same.
It was the talk of the City canteen as to who was the go-between, the suggestion being to treat them carefully when forced to work with them, as well as the person receiving.
Binden's claim to fame was that he had an exceptionally large appendage.
When the very brief rumours of the affair reached the national press, he was described as an actor (he was in Get Carter), or security guard to rock stars. When Maggie was out of the reports, he was described as a thug who ran with the Krays and Richardsons, and was an enforcer with regards protection rackets in the East End.
In those days the press tended to protect the royals. Changed a bit now, though, hasn't it.
Rumour had it at the time that a quantity of money had passed from the Binden side to the prosecution side, for what I can't remember. It was in a book on Operation Countryman, the investigation into corruption in the City and Metropolitan police. In fact, two books, although the source was probably the same.
It was the talk of the City canteen as to who was the go-between, the suggestion being to treat them carefully when forced to work with them, as well as the person receiving.
Binden's claim to fame was that he had an exceptionally large appendage.
When the very brief rumours of the affair reached the national press, he was described as an actor (he was in Get Carter), or security guard to rock stars. When Maggie was out of the reports, he was described as a thug who ran with the Krays and Richardsons, and was an enforcer with regards protection rackets in the East End.
In those days the press tended to protect the royals. Changed a bit now, though, hasn't it.
Derek Smith said:
When the very brief rumours of the affair reached the national press, he was described as an actor (he was in Get Carter), or security guard to rock stars. When Maggie was out of the reports, he was described as a thug who ran with the Krays and Richardsons, and was an enforcer with regards protection rackets in the East End.
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Ayahuasca said:
Why do you believe that getting the terminology right is the same as mitigation?
Because it's going beyond that. Yes, Epstein was not convicted of being a sex trafficking rapist monster/ blackmailer but you'd have to be a bit odd to be arguing he wasn't, and especially going 'Well he's not a paedo cos technically I know these girls - all 100 odd of them - had deffo hit puberty'. Oh, well that's all right then!How about we go to the 'another abuse gang' thread and look at all the shining white knights of pedantry on there? Oh, there aren't any.
Breadvan72 said:
vonuber said:
Ayahuasca said:
Why do you believe that getting the terminology right is the same as mitigation?
Because it's going beyond that. Yes, Epstein was not convicted of being a sex trafficking rapist monster/ blackmailer but you'd have to be a bit odd to be arguing he wasn't, and especially going 'Well he's not a paedo cos technically I know these girls - all 100 odd of them - had deffo hit puberty'. Oh, well that's all right then!How about we go to the 'another abuse gang' thread and look at all the shining white knights of pedantry on there? Oh, there aren't any.
BaldOldMan said:
Escapegoat said:
Stay on point: Stayinbed is all about the "evidence of"?
ETA: I'm more than happy to say there's more evidence of Epstein having been a paedophile than there is evidence that I am. It's Stayinbed who doesn't want to say it.
Nope - I'm not getting it - by your logic, there's as much evidence of Escapegoat being a paedophile..........ETA: I'm more than happy to say there's more evidence of Epstein having been a paedophile than there is evidence that I am. It's Stayinbed who doesn't want to say it.
On the wider question - there's a lot we all don't know.
Epstein is a convicted sex offender - he may or may not have been a paedophile.
My logic (like most posters on this forum) is that there's more evidence that Epstein was a paedophile than there is that Stayinbed/me/BaldOldMan is a paedophile.
Escapegoat said:
It's not my logic - it's Stayinbed's. Go back - I was explaining how stupid his logic was. Thanks for your support on that.
My logic (like most posters on this forum) is that there's more evidence that Epstein was a paedophile than there is that Stayinbed/me/BaldOldMan is a paedophile.
Epstein is not a convicted paedophile though, so when people refer to him as such I will continue to correct them.My logic (like most posters on this forum) is that there's more evidence that Epstein was a paedophile than there is that Stayinbed/me/BaldOldMan is a paedophile.
There are indeed allegations that he was a paedophile which may well be true, but as we have seen on this thread many people don't even understand what a paedophile is.
I'm not sure why Prince Andrew is so fearful of going to America and telling the truth (assuming he isn't.
Here is a nice rich privileged gentlemen who saw fit to rape a 3-year-old child.
The American courts gave him a $4,900 fine and a suspended prison sentence.
Sleeping with a trafficked 17-year old... I'm guessing Prince Andrew will get 20 hours of community service ??
https://www.forbes.com/sites/denizcam/2019/06/14/h...
I don't mean to make light of such a serious subject, but moreover draw attention to how, when bringing cases against the most privileged in the USA, the cards can be stacked against the victim.
Here is a nice rich privileged gentlemen who saw fit to rape a 3-year-old child.
The American courts gave him a $4,900 fine and a suspended prison sentence.
Sleeping with a trafficked 17-year old... I'm guessing Prince Andrew will get 20 hours of community service ??
https://www.forbes.com/sites/denizcam/2019/06/14/h...
I don't mean to make light of such a serious subject, but moreover draw attention to how, when bringing cases against the most privileged in the USA, the cards can be stacked against the victim.
DickyC said:
Is cynicism contagious? I read that Sarah Ferguson is defending Prince Andrew and immediately wondered what she is hiding.
She has little choice but to defend him, as 1. They are both part of 'society', and
2. Far more importantly, he is still her meal ticket.
Edited by McGee_22 on Sunday 15th December 12:37
She said:-
“It is so rare to meet people that are able to speak from their hearts with honesty and pure real truth, that remain steadfast and strong to their beliefs.
“Andrew is a true and real gentleman and is stoically steadfast to not only his duty but also his kindness and goodness.
lol!
“It is so rare to meet people that are able to speak from their hearts with honesty and pure real truth, that remain steadfast and strong to their beliefs.
“Andrew is a true and real gentleman and is stoically steadfast to not only his duty but also his kindness and goodness.
lol!
DocJock said:
Alternatively, all of you who insist on using the wrong term, even though it's been pointed out as wrong multiple times, could just use the correct term. Epstein was a hebephile. Asking for the correct term to be used in no way condones or supports the sex offender's actions.
Many on this thread seem to be proud of their wilful ignorance.
Epstein's reported preference was that the teenage girls he raped looked as pre-pubescent as possible. I think you may be categorising him on his opportunities rather than his proclivities.Many on this thread seem to be proud of their wilful ignorance.
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