Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?

[GreatGranny]

Vanden Saab said:

They really do not have the capacity... They have less ICU beds per million people than we do...

I've a friend who is a Consultant Anaesthetist in Sweden and their ICU (large town) is full, all non Covid 19 cases so are having to convert theatres and other rooms/wards to create more ICU beds.

[227bhp]

Vanden Saab said:

227bhp said:

It has to be said also that they spend much more on their health service than we do, so I believe their strategy is more a case of getting it over and done with quicker as they have the capacity to cope with it.

They really do not have the capacity... They have less ICU beds per million people than we do...

I can only repeat what I read in the article about and that's what it said.

[Finlandia]

227bhp said:

Vanden Saab said:

227bhp said:

It has to be said also that they spend much more on their health service than we do, so I believe their strategy is more a case of getting it over and done with quicker as they have the capacity to cope with it.

They really do not have the capacity... They have less ICU beds per million people than we do...

I can only repeat what I read in the article about and that's what it said.

10M people in Sweden, at the beginning of this there were 526 ICU beds, 90 of those in Stockholm, with 1.8M people.

[Randy Winkman]

Finlandia said:

227bhp said:

Vanden Saab said:

227bhp said:

It has to be said also that they spend much more on their health service than we do, so I believe their strategy is more a case of getting it over and done with quicker as they have the capacity to cope with it.

They really do not have the capacity... They have less ICU beds per million people than we do...

I can only repeat what I read in the article about and that's what it said.

10M people in Sweden, at the beginning of this there were 526 ICU beds, 90 of those in Stockholm, with 1.8M people.

But they are doing their best to adapt to the changing circumstances. By the way, my niece is a nurse on a CV ward in Stockholm.

It's also the case that in Stockholm at least, not every bar/restaurant is open and even where they are, not everyone is still going to them.

[Murph7355]

227bhp said:

Vanden Saab said:

227bhp said:

It has to be said also that they spend much more on their health service than we do, so I believe their strategy is more a case of getting it over and done with quicker as they have the capacity to cope with it.

They really do not have the capacity... They have less ICU beds per million people than we do...

I can only repeat what I read in the article about and that's what it said.

Looks like you need to add that source to the "be careful who you believe" source

[nikaiyo2]

Murph7355 said:

Looks like you need to add that source to the "be careful who you believe" source

Guardian is my best guess. They love to promote the high tax Swedish system utopia. The readers also seem to believe every word published as unbiased fact.

[Finlandia]

Randy Winkman said:

Finlandia said:

227bhp said:

Vanden Saab said:

227bhp said:

It has to be said also that they spend much more on their health service than we do, so I believe their strategy is more a case of getting it over and done with quicker as they have the capacity to cope with it.

They really do not have the capacity... They have less ICU beds per million people than we do...

I can only repeat what I read in the article about and that's what it said.

10M people in Sweden, at the beginning of this there were 526 ICU beds, 90 of those in Stockholm, with 1.8M people.

But they are doing their best to adapt to the changing circumstances. By the way, my niece is a nurse on a CV ward in Stockholm.

It's also the case that in Stockholm at least, not every bar/restaurant is open and even where they are, not everyone is still going to them.

Stockholm is scaling up, an army tent has been brought in to raise some 10 more ICU beds. Before that the overall capacity in Stockholm has been raised by 100%, so should now be 190ish, but these figures have been classified.

The next problem is lack of qualified staff to run the places, air hostesses are now being re-trained to become nurses.

The next problem is that apparently one third of the senior service homes have been infected, despite the "efforts" made to safeguard the old. I use the word effort in the loosest possible meaning.

[Randy Winkman]

Finlandia said:

Randy Winkman said:

Finlandia said:

227bhp said:

Vanden Saab said:

227bhp said:

It has to be said also that they spend much more on their health service than we do, so I believe their strategy is more a case of getting it over and done with quicker as they have the capacity to cope with it.

They really do not have the capacity... They have less ICU beds per million people than we do...

I can only repeat what I read in the article about and that's what it said.

10M people in Sweden, at the beginning of this there were 526 ICU beds, 90 of those in Stockholm, with 1.8M people.

But they are doing their best to adapt to the changing circumstances. By the way, my niece is a nurse on a CV ward in Stockholm.

It's also the case that in Stockholm at least, not every bar/restaurant is open and even where they are, not everyone is still going to them.

Stockholm is scaling up, an army tent has been brought in to raise some 10 more ICU beds. Before that the overall capacity in Stockholm has been raised by 100%, so should now be 190ish, but these figures have been classified.

The next problem is lack of qualified staff to run the places, air hostesses are now being re-trained to become nurses.

The next problem is that apparently one third of the senior service homes have been infected, despite the "efforts" made to safeguard the old. I use the word effort in the loosest possible meaning.

Cheers. Which approach on CV would you go for? UK or Sweden? By the way - I've no idea. I think I'll only have a view once it's all over.

[Finlandia]

Randy Winkman said:

Cheers. Which approach on CV would you go for? UK or Sweden? By the way - I've no idea. I think I'll only have a view once it's all over.

If I had to choose between the UK or Swedish approach, I would choose the Finnish or German one

Sweden hasn't really done anything.
UK was on the same path as Sweden, until everything changed, a bit too late.
Finland has isolated the biggest virus hotspot, the region in and around Helsinki, so far it looks to work out very well.
Germany is testing as many as they can, they also seems to be doing much better than many others.

The Finnish approach seems to work well for sparsely populated countries, while the German one seems to work well for densely populated countries.

[Randy Winkman]

Finlandia said:

Randy Winkman said:

Cheers. Which approach on CV would you go for? UK or Sweden? By the way - I've no idea. I think I'll only have a view once it's all over.

If I had to choose between the UK or Swedish approach, I would choose the Finnish or German one

Sweden hasn't really done anything.
UK was on the same path as Sweden, until everything changed, a bit too late.
Finland has isolated the biggest virus hotspot, the region in and around Helsinki, so far it looks to work out very well.
Germany is testing as many as they can, they also seems to be doing much better than many others.

The Finnish approach seems to work well for sparsely populated countries, while the German one seems to work well for densely populated countries.

Thanks.

[Finlandia]

On news now, come the weekend and doctors will have to start choosing, attempt to save or let die.

[NRS]

Finlandia said:

If I had to choose between the UK or Swedish approach, I would choose the Finnish or German one

Sweden hasn't really done anything.
UK was on the same path as Sweden, until everything changed, a bit too late.
Finland has isolated the biggest virus hotspot, the region in and around Helsinki, so far it looks to work out very well.
Germany is testing as many as they can, they also seems to be doing much better than many others.

The Finnish approach seems to work well for sparsely populated countries, while the German one seems to work well for densely populated countries.

Germany has done well as it can afford to, due to screwing a lot of the other EU countries over since the past financial crisis.

[anonymous-user]

NRS said:

Germany has done well as it can afford to, due to screwing a lot of the other EU countries over since the past financial crisis.

Since the creation of the Euro.

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

Since the creation of the Euro.

Nothing wrong with exporting your exchange rate and importing the PIGS

[Finlandia]

The Swedish government claims the finances are in top order, no reason why we couldn't do what Germany is doing, or what Finland is doing.

[Canute]

Finlandia said:

The Swedish government claims the finances are in top order, no reason why we couldn't do what Germany is doing, or what Finland is doing.

See what they say in a month when everyone stops paying tax, which is something I have told my accountant to do. They are not getting a penny more out of me until I see how things go. Idiots

[Vanden Saab]

NRS said:

Germany has done well as it can afford to, due to screwing a lot of the other EU countries over since the past financial crisis.

I would not put money on that, they look to be a week behind us rather than doing better, their death rate in time from 250 to 1,000 is identical to ours. We will know in a week.

[FiF]

Sweden's open data society is far more transparent, every time a patient is admitted the information is updated live on a website that the public can access. Deaths are also reported as either from Covid or other cause but with Covid.

Time will tell, couple that with some German research which suggests from a very localised study in a German hot spot that transmission is not by touching objects or visit to a shop but by activities such as "exuberant celebrations, close dancing, close working." "Germany's patient zero only infected her colleagues and no other person at the hotel and restaurants where they were staying"

Just to add he is not recommending the stop of social distancing just casting doubt on the risk of smear transfer.

Who knows, Sweden will find out if they've played a blinder economically. At least it will all be out in the open for folks to judge. The avoidance of answers to questions place by an unpleasant UK media primarily focussed on a determination to trip folks up just engenders distrust generally.

[anonymous-user]

wsurfa said:

jsf said:

Since the creation of the Euro.

Nothing wrong with exporting your exchange rate and importing the PIGS

There is plenty wrong with it.

[NerveAgent]

Vanden Saab said:

NRS said:

Germany has done well as it can afford to, due to screwing a lot of the other EU countries over since the past financial crisis.

I would not put money on that, they look to be a week behind us rather than doing better, their death rate in time from 250 to 1,000 is identical to ours. We will know in a week.

That’s an interesting one to follow. If Germany follows the same path next week, will the whole “testing” thing will just be seen as a massive waste of time/resources/money?

Will the media change tack?