Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?
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Vanden Saab said:
NRS said:
Germany has done well as it can afford to, due to screwing a lot of the other EU countries over since the past financial crisis.
I would not put money on that, they look to be a week behind us rather than doing better, their death rate in time from 250 to 1,000 is identical to ours. We will know in a week. Will the media change tack?
FiF said:
Time will tell, couple that with some German research which suggests from a very localised study in a German hot spot that transmission is not by touching objects or visit to a shop but by activities such as "exuberant celebrations, close dancing, close working." "Germany's patient zero only infected her colleagues and no other person at the hotel and restaurants where they were staying"
Just to add he is not recommending the stop of social distancing just casting doubt on the risk of smear transfer.
That's insane.Just to add he is not recommending the stop of social distancing just casting doubt on the risk of smear transfer.
DaveCWK said:
Why is Sweden going down this path exactly - it seems to make little sense. Is it a ideologically driven left wing thing?
It makes perfect sense if you think that the only way out is herd immunity and that 60% of us need to get it at some point for that to happen and they are not prepared to destroy their economy in the meantime. The success, or failure, of their strategy can be assessed in a year or two.
monkfish1 said:
DaveCWK said:
Why is Sweden going down this path exactly - it seems to make little sense. Is it a ideologically driven left wing thing?
They have said they dont believe the modelling to be correct. One assumes they have done their own that predicts a different outcome.FiF said:
Sweden's open data society is far more transparent
Right up until a disaster strikes, like the sinking of Estonia and the handling of the tsunami, then it all gets classified.DaveCWK said:
Why is Sweden going down this path exactly - it seems to make little sense. Is it a ideologically driven left wing thing?
I'm convinced it's due to lack of money (and sense) to do anything else.Take a simple thing like self isolation after recovery from flu/corona (you won't get tested so you can't know if it's a flu or the virus), two days is enough according to Swedish experts.
Another very simple thing, say you are inbound from Spain, no self isolation required unless you are ill.
Wash your hands and don't visit your old relatives, that's what we are supposed to do, oh and don't gather more than 50 in a group (down from 500) and wait for the table service at restaurants.
Finlandia said:
FiF said:
Sweden's open data society is far more transparent
Right up until a disaster strikes, like the sinking of Estonia and the handling of the tsunami, then it all gets classified.DaveCWK said:
Why is Sweden going down this path exactly - it seems to make little sense. Is it a ideologically driven left wing thing?
I'm convinced it's due to lack of money (and sense) to do anything else.Take a simple thing like self isolation after recovery from flu/corona (you won't get tested so you can't know if it's a flu or the virus), two days is enough according to Swedish experts.
Another very simple thing, say you are inbound from Spain, no self isolation required unless you are ill.
Wash your hands and don't visit your old relatives, that's what we are supposed to do, oh and don't gather more than 50 in a group (down from 500) and wait for the table service at restaurants.
New laws are to be brought in and a grant for more power to the government will be in effect as of the 18th.
Around 100 deaths a day now for the third day running, riot police on stand-by at hospitals for when we run out of ICU beds and people are going to get turned away.
Hospitals have been adviced to choose to save younger patients, the age from which this will be considered is 60, over 80 and it's the end of the line.
We are running out of medicine and safety equipment.
Half of the nursing homes for old people in Stockholm have been hit by the virus.
Ice hockey arenas are to be used as morgues.
Still no talk about lockdown, it's probably too late now anyway, plenty of people, even old people, get on as if nothing is happening.
Around 100 deaths a day now for the third day running, riot police on stand-by at hospitals for when we run out of ICU beds and people are going to get turned away.
Hospitals have been adviced to choose to save younger patients, the age from which this will be considered is 60, over 80 and it's the end of the line.
We are running out of medicine and safety equipment.
Half of the nursing homes for old people in Stockholm have been hit by the virus.
Ice hockey arenas are to be used as morgues.
Still no talk about lockdown, it's probably too late now anyway, plenty of people, even old people, get on as if nothing is happening.
Having spent quite a bit of time in Sweden, I would say the Swdes are highly unlikely to riot. They are naturaly as pragmatic and stoic a people ad you will encounter anywhere.
The recent arrivals from the ME & NA on the other hand tend to burn cars and smash up their own neghbourhoods with tedious regularity anyway. Gotherburg, Malmo and Stockholm all have sihnificant areas that are effectively not even policed anymore.
If they wanted to go the early lockdown route, they could afford it just as well as anybody else. But I rather doubt they are showing some skandi independancemof thought. More likely they have been told ‘ you are the test tube dummies ‘. The neo liberal government have shown zero concern for the indiginous people of Sweden recently, so I think they would be quite happy to conduct an expriment. But anyway, every government is guessing and having been woefully late and reluctant to address the threat of the virus all are conducting experimnts and all are spending money that will have to be collected from their citizns at a later date.
The recent arrivals from the ME & NA on the other hand tend to burn cars and smash up their own neghbourhoods with tedious regularity anyway. Gotherburg, Malmo and Stockholm all have sihnificant areas that are effectively not even policed anymore.
If they wanted to go the early lockdown route, they could afford it just as well as anybody else. But I rather doubt they are showing some skandi independancemof thought. More likely they have been told ‘ you are the test tube dummies ‘. The neo liberal government have shown zero concern for the indiginous people of Sweden recently, so I think they would be quite happy to conduct an expriment. But anyway, every government is guessing and having been woefully late and reluctant to address the threat of the virus all are conducting experimnts and all are spending money that will have to be collected from their citizns at a later date.
Finlandia said:
New laws are to be brought in and a grant for more power to the government will be in effect as of the 18th.
Around 100 deaths a day now for the third day running, riot police on stand-by at hospitals for when we run out of ICU beds and people are going to get turned away.
Hospitals have been adviced to choose to save younger patients, the age from which this will be considered is 60, over 80 and it's the end of the line.
We are running out of medicine and safety equipment.
Half of the nursing homes for old people in Stockholm have been hit by the virus.
Ice hockey arenas are to be used as morgues.
Still no talk about lockdown, it's probably too late now anyway, plenty of people, even old people, get on as if nothing is happening.
Are the 100 deaths a day because they are only counting hospital deaths and they are full?Around 100 deaths a day now for the third day running, riot police on stand-by at hospitals for when we run out of ICU beds and people are going to get turned away.
Hospitals have been adviced to choose to save younger patients, the age from which this will be considered is 60, over 80 and it's the end of the line.
We are running out of medicine and safety equipment.
Half of the nursing homes for old people in Stockholm have been hit by the virus.
Ice hockey arenas are to be used as morgues.
Still no talk about lockdown, it's probably too late now anyway, plenty of people, even old people, get on as if nothing is happening.
The 100 deaths a day is the number of deaths caused by corona, mainly in hospitals and care homes, those who die alone at home will be found over time and added later.
Many restaurants and terrasses are packed. The liberal Swedish way isn't working as well as those in charge have hoped.
Many restaurants and terrasses are packed. The liberal Swedish way isn't working as well as those in charge have hoped.
citizensm1th said:
This thread is hilarious, the irony of an immigrant complaining about the immigration and health policy of the country that he/she moved to.
It is hilarious but we have a rather one-sided view of things from the PH "I hate Sweden" correspondent. "Riots"? FFS. It's not the view I have from Swedish relatives in Stockholm. One of which is a nurse on a CV ward.
Randy Winkman said:
citizensm1th said:
This thread is hilarious, the irony of an immigrant complaining about the immigration and health policy of the country that he/she moved to.
It is hilarious but we have a rather one-sided view of things from the PH "I hate Sweden" correspondent. "Riots"? FFS. It's not the view I have from Swedish relatives in Stockholm. One of which is a nurse on a CV ward.
I have found the finish in general to be of the same mindset, maybe our special correspondent for immigration is not a typical fin which is why he felt the need to emigrate
citizensm1th said:
Randy Winkman said:
citizensm1th said:
This thread is hilarious, the irony of an immigrant complaining about the immigration and health policy of the country that he/she moved to.
It is hilarious but we have a rather one-sided view of things from the PH "I hate Sweden" correspondent. "Riots"? FFS. It's not the view I have from Swedish relatives in Stockholm. One of which is a nurse on a CV ward.
I have found the finish in general to be of the same mindset, maybe our special correspondent for immigration is not a typical fin which is why he felt the need to emigrate
My missus' parents are currently at their summer house and her uncle and aunt are in their motorhome visiting various camp sites apparently... nobody seems too concerned from what I can gather.
Randy Winkman said:
citizensm1th said:
This thread is hilarious, the irony of an immigrant complaining about the immigration and health policy of the country that he/she moved to.
It is hilarious but we have a rather one-sided view of things from the PH "I hate Sweden" correspondent. "Riots"? FFS. It's not the view I have from Swedish relatives in Stockholm. One of which is a nurse on a CV ward.
Finlandia said:
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