HS2, whats the current status ?
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Blue62 - not unusual and a complete bo**ocks of an approach.
If you apply pressure in the right places though it needn't be the case.
I recommend that your friends/contacts get them selves a CPO specialist representative.
Most fees will be paid for (retrospectively, I admit) by HS2
I happen to know a good one
If you apply pressure in the right places though it needn't be the case.
I recommend that your friends/contacts get them selves a CPO specialist representative.
Most fees will be paid for (retrospectively, I admit) by HS2
I happen to know a good one
Swervin_Mervin said:
FredClogs said:
hornetrider said:
Did I hear on the wireless this morning that the projected journey time from Manchester to London was 1hr 8 mins? Regardless of the rights and wrongs, that's pretty impressive. I can well imagine lots of people working in the City daily 'commuting' from the North.... pushing up house prices
It's not manchester as such that's prposed for the HS2, it's manchester airport area, which is close to large areas of already quite well priced housing. Which sort of highlights my point, we could end up with people from South Manchester and Cheshire commuting to London rather than into manchester. Stockport, Wilmslow or Altrincham into Mancherster is already a 45 minute commute in rush hour because local infrastructure is so bad (and to be fair I imagine Manchester is better than other cities because the tram isn't half bad at all to many areas)As for commuting to London, many already do. There's good reason why the Manchester to London service stops at Stockport and Wilmslow, and you only have to get on the early trains between 6-7am to get an idea of the demographic of those commuting. That wouldn't change with HS2 stopping at the Airport - you might just shift the inflated house prices a little further west from the Wilmslow and Alderley Edge areas to the Bowdon and Hale areas
HS2 have actually just safeguarded the route without any prior consultation, which is very naughty indeed.
Let's put it this way - HS2 are now an automatic consultee with a veto on any planning application submitted on that land. Even if it was already in the system.
And if it increases its value - they will likely say no.
Naughty, naughty.
Let's put it this way - HS2 are now an automatic consultee with a veto on any planning application submitted on that land. Even if it was already in the system.
And if it increases its value - they will likely say no.
Naughty, naughty.
There's an echo in here...
Can you explain in a little more detail what you are referring to, because I am not sure. If you can be more precise hopefully I will be able to demystify it a bit?You can claim compo if your house is within a certain distance from the trainline. The closer it is the more you get.
This is very much not the case anywhere in London.You are referring to something called the Rural Protection Zone
This is one of the many compensation schemes that HS2 have made available. It is available for residential properties, farms and commercial properties with a rateable value of under £38,400 - in rural areas. This is a discretionary scheme, so goes above and beyond what the law demands, but only sort of. I think their logic is that in London/Birmingham/Leeds etc, the general back ground noise will be such that a slow moving train will be less of an embuggerance compared to what already is there. However a train at full speed in rural Warwickshire will have a more profound affect. – Its just cheaper to offer it to rural as well.
I can't remember what the payment is, but its for people 120 metres from the centreline of the railway. However, this is a sort of advanced payment really, as it will be taken off any other compensation HS2 offer (the payment itself is up to a certain level, you won’t get bunged more than your property is worth).
It's basically a little tickle up front to quell open rebellion
HOWEVER – those in the city are protected by what we call the compensation code – that is the current melange of various laws and act of parliament and judicial precedents in case law. This is far from perfect, and is being improved slowly over time (though still has a way to go).
So everyone affected by the scheme will be compensated, no matter where they live. Granted the compensation will be slow to materialise, and it varies depending on how you are affected, but everyone affected is entitled to compensation under law.
Though I agree that this law has a long way to go before it is truly fit for purpose (and there are groups working on this all the time) – the basic safety net is there for all.
Vocal Minority said:
MarshPhantom said:
Vocal Minority said:
MarshPhantom said:
HS2 lovers, can anyone explain why the rest of the country can claim compensation for having their life ruined by HS2 when no one in London can?
MP - I work a lot a lot with affected landowners for HS2 so know my way around the Compensation side of it. Can you explain in a little more detail what you are referring to, because I am not sure. If you can be more precise hopefully I will be able to demystify it a bit?
This is very much not the case anywhere in London.
This is one of the many compensation schemes that HS2 have made available. It is available for residential properties, farms and commercial properties with a rateable value of under £38,400 - in rural areas. This is a discretionary scheme, so goes above and beyond what the law demands, but only sort of. I think their logic is that in London/Birmingham/Leeds etc, the general back ground noise will be such that a slow moving train will be less of an embuggerance compared to what already is there. However a train at full speed in rural Warwickshire will have a more profound affect. – Its just cheaper to offer it to rural as well.
I can't remember what the payment is, but its for people 120 metres from the centreline of the railway. However, this is a sort of advanced payment really, as it will be taken off any other compensation HS2 offer (the payment itself is up to a certain level, you won’t get bunged more than your property is worth).
It's basically a little tickle up front to quell open rebellion
HOWEVER – those in the city are protected by what we call the compensation code – that is the current melange of various laws and act of parliament and judicial precedents in case law. This is far from perfect, and is being improved slowly over time (though still has a way to go).
So everyone affected by the scheme will be compensated, no matter where they live. Granted the compensation will be slow to materialise, and it varies depending on how you are affected, but everyone affected is entitled to compensation under law.
Though I agree that this law has a long way to go before it is truly fit for purpose (and there are groups working on this all the time) – the basic safety net is there for all.
Edited by Vocal Minority on Tuesday 15th November 14:08
Vocal Minority said:
HS2 have actually just safeguarded the route without any prior consultation, which is very naughty indeed.
Let's put it this way - HS2 are now an automatic consultee with a veto on any planning application submitted on that land. Even if it was already in the system.
And if it increases its value - they will likely say no.
Naughty, naughty.
The Tories appear to be utterly out of control, not just on this, either.Let's put it this way - HS2 are now an automatic consultee with a veto on any planning application submitted on that land. Even if it was already in the system.
And if it increases its value - they will likely say no.
Naughty, naughty.
Well it does have (broadly) cross party support.
And also, you cannot blame the Tories really to be honest.
The project is run by HS2 Limited, which admittedly are related to the department for transport.
And whilst I think they have done insufficient consultation - what they have done is legal - and one could argue in the best interest of the public purse. So you can't exactly say they have gone to fair,
Additionally there were several prominent Tories on the parliamentary select committee.
Some of their amendments and demands of HS2 after the committee hearings were conspicuously in excess of the law in their endeavours to be fair (as were the contribtutions from Labour and Lib Dem MPs).
Ian Mearns for Middlesborough was a particular favourite of mine in ensuring that everyone got a fair crack and weren't bamboozled by the HS2 QCs. Sir Peter Bottomley also batted a good innings when I was there - granted only 3 occasions,
So it's a bit disingenuous to call the Tories out of control over this IMHO
And also, you cannot blame the Tories really to be honest.
The project is run by HS2 Limited, which admittedly are related to the department for transport.
And whilst I think they have done insufficient consultation - what they have done is legal - and one could argue in the best interest of the public purse. So you can't exactly say they have gone to fair,
Additionally there were several prominent Tories on the parliamentary select committee.
Some of their amendments and demands of HS2 after the committee hearings were conspicuously in excess of the law in their endeavours to be fair (as were the contribtutions from Labour and Lib Dem MPs).
Ian Mearns for Middlesborough was a particular favourite of mine in ensuring that everyone got a fair crack and weren't bamboozled by the HS2 QCs. Sir Peter Bottomley also batted a good innings when I was there - granted only 3 occasions,
So it's a bit disingenuous to call the Tories out of control over this IMHO
Vocal Minority said:
Well it does have (broadly) cross party support.
And also, you cannot blame the Tories really to be honest.
The project is run by HS2 Limited, which admittedly are related to the department for transport.
And whilst I think they have done insufficient consultation - what they have done is legal - and one could argue in the best interest of the public purse. So you can't exactly say they have gone to fair,
Additionally there were several prominent Tories on the parliamentary select committee.
Some of their amendments and demands of HS2 after the committee hearings were conspicuously in excess of the law in their endeavours to be fair (as were the contribtutions from Labour and Lib Dem MPs).
Ian Mearns for Middlesborough was a particular favourite of mine in ensuring that everyone got a fair crack and weren't bamboozled by the HS2 QCs. Sir Peter Bottomley also batted a good innings when I was there - granted only 3 occasions,
So it's a bit disingenuous to call the Tories out of control over this IMHO
You sound like you're pretty well informed, I understand that this is a public motoring forum but could you comment on when you think an announcement is likely regarding a definite go ahead?And also, you cannot blame the Tories really to be honest.
The project is run by HS2 Limited, which admittedly are related to the department for transport.
And whilst I think they have done insufficient consultation - what they have done is legal - and one could argue in the best interest of the public purse. So you can't exactly say they have gone to fair,
Additionally there were several prominent Tories on the parliamentary select committee.
Some of their amendments and demands of HS2 after the committee hearings were conspicuously in excess of the law in their endeavours to be fair (as were the contribtutions from Labour and Lib Dem MPs).
Ian Mearns for Middlesborough was a particular favourite of mine in ensuring that everyone got a fair crack and weren't bamboozled by the HS2 QCs. Sir Peter Bottomley also batted a good innings when I was there - granted only 3 occasions,
So it's a bit disingenuous to call the Tories out of control over this IMHO
Well, if you ask the government they insist it will go ahead - and that's all they can really do before Royal assent - it's way through the House is pretty clear I think.
Phase 1 is certain in my opinion. We'll get Royal Assent in Q1 '17 - and they want to get spades in the ground ASAP afterwards. In my dealing with them they have always been clear in that.
Yesterday's safeguarding of the route is a very clear statement of intent for phase 2 as well. Though royal assent for the phase 2 bill will be around 6 years away still (the consultation for phase 1 started in '11). I am personally convinced it will go ahead. But there won't be anything representing confirmation - per se - until Royal assent in sort of 2022/23 ish.
Phase 1 is certain in my opinion. We'll get Royal Assent in Q1 '17 - and they want to get spades in the ground ASAP afterwards. In my dealing with them they have always been clear in that.
Yesterday's safeguarding of the route is a very clear statement of intent for phase 2 as well. Though royal assent for the phase 2 bill will be around 6 years away still (the consultation for phase 1 started in '11). I am personally convinced it will go ahead. But there won't be anything representing confirmation - per se - until Royal assent in sort of 2022/23 ish.
My mother in law lives near the proposed route of PH2 not far for the Manchester airport, she has a nice property and isnt planning on moving at the moment but has mentioned it as it is quite a place to maintain but I guess she is stuck really, cant imagine it will be easy to sell at the market price and it looks like its ages off her being able to claim anything.
Vocal Minority said:
You are referring to something called the Rural Protection Zone
This is one of the many compensation schemes that HS2 have made available. It is available for residential properties, farms and commercial properties with a rateable value of under £38,400 - in rural areas. This is a discretionary scheme, so goes above and beyond what the law demands, but only sort of. I think their logic is that in London/Birmingham/Leeds etc, the general back ground noise will be such that a slow moving train will be less of an embuggerance compared to what already is there. However a train at full speed in rural Warwickshire will have a more profound affect. – Its just cheaper to offer it to rural as well.
I can't remember what the payment is, but its for people 120 metres from the centreline of the railway. However, this is a sort of advanced payment really, as it will be taken off any other compensation HS2 offer (the payment itself is up to a certain level, you won’t get bunged more than your property is worth).
It's basically a little tickle up front to quell open rebellion
HOWEVER – those in the city are protected by what we call the compensation code – that is the current melange of various laws and act of parliament and judicial precedents in case law. This is far from perfect, and is being improved slowly over time (though still has a way to go).
So everyone affected by the scheme will be compensated, no matter where they live. Granted the compensation will be slow to materialise, and it varies depending on how you are affected, but everyone affected is entitled to compensation under law.
Though I agree that this law has a long way to go before it is truly fit for purpose (and there are groups working on this all the time) – the basic safety net is there for all.
Can we have an urban protection zone please, or I shall relaunch the Independence for London campaign.This is one of the many compensation schemes that HS2 have made available. It is available for residential properties, farms and commercial properties with a rateable value of under £38,400 - in rural areas. This is a discretionary scheme, so goes above and beyond what the law demands, but only sort of. I think their logic is that in London/Birmingham/Leeds etc, the general back ground noise will be such that a slow moving train will be less of an embuggerance compared to what already is there. However a train at full speed in rural Warwickshire will have a more profound affect. – Its just cheaper to offer it to rural as well.
I can't remember what the payment is, but its for people 120 metres from the centreline of the railway. However, this is a sort of advanced payment really, as it will be taken off any other compensation HS2 offer (the payment itself is up to a certain level, you won’t get bunged more than your property is worth).
It's basically a little tickle up front to quell open rebellion
HOWEVER – those in the city are protected by what we call the compensation code – that is the current melange of various laws and act of parliament and judicial precedents in case law. This is far from perfect, and is being improved slowly over time (though still has a way to go).
So everyone affected by the scheme will be compensated, no matter where they live. Granted the compensation will be slow to materialise, and it varies depending on how you are affected, but everyone affected is entitled to compensation under law.
Though I agree that this law has a long way to go before it is truly fit for purpose (and there are groups working on this all the time) – the basic safety net is there for all.
Edited by Vocal Minority on Tuesday 15th November 14:08
I wouldn't feel too hard done by MP - it's a relatively nominal gesture,
If someone's owner occupied house in the city is currently blighted (that is to say the land is required for the scheme) they can submit a blight notice now.
And J4CKO - whether she is able to claim depends on precisely where she is.
If her property is safeguarded she may have options
If someone's owner occupied house in the city is currently blighted (that is to say the land is required for the scheme) they can submit a blight notice now.
And J4CKO - whether she is able to claim depends on precisely where she is.
If her property is safeguarded she may have options
Edited by Vocal Minority on Wednesday 16th November 23:07
Vocal Minority said:
I wouldn't feel too hard done by MP - it's a relatively nominal gesture,
If someone's owner occupied house in the city is currently blighted (that is to say the land is required for the scheme) they can submit a blight notice now.
And J4CKO - whether she is able to claim depends on precisely where she is.
If her property is safeguarded she may have options
Not bothered about London too much, more bothered about it running a few hundred feet beyond the top of parent's garden. This is how I know about the compo scheme. They are just outside the claim zone. My Dad will be long gone as will the house by the time anything actually happens.If someone's owner occupied house in the city is currently blighted (that is to say the land is required for the scheme) they can submit a blight notice now.
And J4CKO - whether she is able to claim depends on precisely where she is.
If her property is safeguarded she may have options
Edited by Vocal Minority on Wednesday 16th November 23:07
HS2 fans, my missus has started using the HS1 from Ebbsfleet to Stratford.
Anyone want to guess how much the season ticket is for this 15 minute/15 mile journey?
One only imagine how much London to Brum would be and she would not be using it if she couldn't claim a fair bit back from work.
Very nearly 4 Grand a year, over £80 a week.
Anyone want to guess how much the season ticket is for this 15 minute/15 mile journey?
One only imagine how much London to Brum would be and she would not be using it if she couldn't claim a fair bit back from work.
Very nearly 4 Grand a year, over £80 a week.
dav123a said:
I've no idea what it's like getting between those two places but what's the alternative and how does it compare in terms of reliability cost journey time etc ?
Indeed - 30 miles a day, 150 miles a week, and most of it stop-start. I'd be surprised if you could do it cheaper by car if you take all of the costs into account. dav123a said:
I've no idea what it's like getting between those two places but what's the alternative and how does it compare in terms of reliability cost journey time etc ?
The point is if it's nearly 4 grand a year for a 15 mile/minute trip how much would it be on HS2 between say London and Birmingham on HS2 for example. MarshPhantom said:
dav123a said:
I've no idea what it's like getting between those two places but what's the alternative and how does it compare in terms of reliability cost journey time etc ?
The point is if it's nearly 4 grand a year for a 15 mile/minute trip how much would it be on HS2 between say London and Birmingham on HS2 for example. I've no idea what the Hs2 prices will be we don't know if it will actually be built yet. They will probably say in about 10 years time what the price will be plenty of time for shouting then.
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